The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Because WoW is a franchise that wants to follow a proper narrative? Lol

Also, Danuser said he helped in architecting WoW's future before he left, so he probably aided Metzen in setting up the Worldsoul Saga.

And Metzen said he basically revamped the entire course of this expansion. "A proper narrative" whatever that means.

[Wangming]

And Metzen said he basically revamped the entire course of this expansion. "A proper narrative" whatever that means.

The narrative team over at FFXIV was pretty open about how the entire backstory and motivation of the Ascians was changed midway to the first expansions. Even so, Shadowbringers took up plot hooks from the base game.

So plot points don't necessarily need to lead to the thing they were intially intended for, as long as there is logic behind it.

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Because WoW is a franchise that wants to follow a proper narrative? Lol

Also, Danuser said he helped in architecting WoW's future before he left, so he probably aided Metzen in setting up the Worldsoul Saga.

Nothing about Danuser's clumsy bullshit is proper narrative.

[Darkarath]

All this Void fears Death talk also makes me wonder if DKs will be more relevant in Midnight? Nothing really points to it thus far unfortunately but it's a pretty good opportunity to give them something to do, instead of the usual suspects.

I hope so, especially after DKs were so mistreated in SL.

I think that Midnight has a high chance of recovering the Class Halls system, so that every class gets some love and lore. Hopefully as an evergreen feature this time.

Nothing about Danuser's clumsy bullshit is proper narrative.

We should be thankful of his demise. What an absolute disaster he was for WoW.

[Skildar]

If Sylvanas does come back but not to sacrifice herself to help QT or her sisters/their families in a moment of "Redemption" but rather only as temporary backup, there is no reason for her to have found Nathanos though. He could still be lost in the Maw. If she just comes back permanently with Nathanos to be part of the main cast and we are supposed to just believe she got enough punishment I don't think players other than the Sylvanas stans will take it well. And it will definitely make the state of the Forsaken a mess.

I likes Nathanos' character but he was everywhere in BfA. And I wish we could have someone else fill his gap because he shouldn't make a comeback. Contrary to Sylvanas, he is dead. He was risen then Tyrande killed him and unknowingly sent him to the Maw. Sylvanas might find his soul and say her final farewell to him but she shouldn't be made to bring her sidekick with her once she's done with her sentence.

Anyway we used to have Nazgrim and Garrosh, then Nathanos. It's good that we stepped away from a dog barking lieutenant/commandant but I also think it's time to develop more aggressive characters. The Arathor questline is a good at showing that composed and calm leaders don't give the right rhythm and ambiance for an "on the brink of war". We don't need to go back to horde and alliance at war, but the ambiguity of war is always right and always welcomed.

[Wangming]

I think that Midnight has a high chance of recovering the Class Halls system, so that every class gets some love and lore. Hopefully as an evergreen feature this time.

You know what would be interesting? If there were literal halls in buildings for these classes in a partially recovered Silvermoon.

[Darkarath]

You know what would be interesting? If there were literal halls in buildings for these classes in a partially recovered Silvermoon.

Disagree.

I think that Class Halls should be their own thing, like in Legion, all around the world but expanded.

Of course, if Silvermoon ends up being the main city of Midnight, it should have portals to all these places.

[Khaza-R]

I think if they do class halls again they should be something semi-evergreen.

Scatter them all over the world. Work them into the leveling experience. Make them the primary means of adding and unlocking new class glyphs, etc.

Shoving them in some corner of Silvermoon or Ulduar would miss the mark in my opinion.

[Wangming]

Disagree.

I think that Class Halls should be their own thing, like in Legion, all around the world but expanded.

Of course, if Silvermoon ends up being the main city of Midnight, it should have portals to all these places.

I'm not sure having things disconnected so, would be beneficial, but i can see the wisdom of not tying them to the setting of Midnight. At any rate, the Uncrowned definitely need somewhere new to hang out, because Dalaran is spread all across the Isle of Dorn.
Perhaps Tess could give her fellow members a new hideout.

[Dracullus]

Yeah, I hope Class Halls will be evergreen feature.

First, spread around world in famous locations.

Second, Blizzard must invent reasons to go there. In Legion gameplay was mission table and borrowed power shrine (beside one time things like story quests and secret artifact skin hunt), and I don't thing we miss any of that.

[Wangming]

I think if they do class halls again they should be something semi-evergreen.

Scatter them all over the world. Work them into the leveling experience. Make them the primary means of adding and unlocking new class glyphs, etc.

Shoving them in some corner of Silvermoon or Ulduar would miss the mark in my opinion.

Why not both? Give them a presence in Silvermoon to make them feel less disconnected to the Midnight storyline, but also lay the groundwork for them to get a permament presence in the wider world for an eventual leveing overhaul.

[Raetary]

All this Void fears Death talk also makes me wonder if DKs will be more relevant in Midnight? Nothing really points to it thus far unfortunately but it's a pretty good opportunity to give them something to do, instead of the usual suspects.

They might get a minor role in Ghostlands, but i feel like Blizz might want to save their screentime for TLT.

[Joshuaj]

"Danuser said" isn't the argument you think it is.

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If I were a betting man I would say Brewfest will include Earthen from Cinderbrew Meadery.
But, since it is placed on the roadmap, I hope the complete list of changes is more substancial.

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Nathanos was and is the case of "Hate the character, like the writing". The Blightcaller is a contemptible bag of dicks, but he was consistently written as such since he first showed up. That is impressive by Blizzard standards. And his updated model is pretty cool.
What is less cool is the blatant "I can't really write stories where I fuck Sylvanas, so I'm gonna write a character who does" energy. It's not the best motivation to create the character. I feel like many people hate Nathanos do to the idea that gave birth to him.

To expand on that, back in Stormblood FFXIV, a lot of players hated Zenos because "it is impossible for just one dude to kick our arse when we defeat gods, and mostly do that alone, in canon". Ignoring the fact that we are also "just one guy" who is capable to do all that. And for someone with superior biology and a lifelong obsession with combat, it makes sense to be stronger.. He was also a fascinating character with a tragic childhood and a twisted code of honor. But all that was rejected because they hated the idea that a regular arse human can beat us. He is now viewed as one of the most popular antagonists of the game.

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Ahh yes. One final "Merely a setback"

"Danuser said" is a fine argument, what? I wouldn't think he's lying or anything. Heck, stuff in SL and DF are still being utilized to this day.

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Idk, maybe let's not have our biases do the talking? Thanks.

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You know what would be interesting? If there were literal halls in buildings for these classes in a partially recovered Silvermoon.

I think giving the class halls relevancy in Quel'thalas is fine imo. But reutilizing the Class Halls, or just straight-up giving the classes new, more permanent ones should also be a thing in the future imo.

[Nibelheimy]

I do think it's too soon to see Sylvanus again, it will make her 'punishment' almost meaningless.

However, if she's not brought back for a defense with Silvermoon then there probably won't be another good time to do it.

As Silvermoon was decimated by the undead at one point, it would be interesting to see the dead in some way be part of its new defence.

I can however see necromancy possibly returning into focus this expansion, the recent kirin tor questline with Kel felt a little out of left field. With the void supposedly fearing Death. It would make sense.

I do imagine one delve will be focused on exploring Amani catacombs.

There are quite a few little threads that could lead to a storyline with necormancy. I can see Ghostlands having that focus.

[Khaza-R]

Why not both? Give them a presence in Silvermoon to make them feel less disconnected to the Midnight storyline, but also lay the groundwork for them to get a permament presence in the wider world for an eventual leveing overhaul.

I doubt we are getting order halls for Midnight in the first place. So there's that. Also Silvermoon is fairly disconnected to a number of the classes.

[Nibelheimy]

I doubt we are getting order halls for Midnight in the first place. So there's that. Also Silvermoon is fairly disconnected to a number of the classes.

Northend has more lore locations suitable for class halls than Silvermoon I'd say, if I were to bet on one having class halls. It'd be TLT.

[Wangming]

I doubt we are getting order halls for Midnight in the first place. So there's that. Also Silvermoon is fairly disconnected to a number of the classes.

Indeed it is. But if we were to get Order Halls, I'd hope the orders get a base there. Having their HQ somewhere else is preferrable, but I don't like the idea of just fucking off to the other side of the planet, or even farther, every five levels or so.

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Northend has more lore locations suitable for class halls than Silvermoon I'd say, if I were to bet on one having class halls. It'd be TLT.

Care to ellaborate?

[Darkarath]

I kind of agree with the notion that Midnight would not have Class Halls.

On one hand, if it is the final confrontation of Light vs Void, is hard to think of a better time to reintroduce them. On the other hand, it would not make much sense to bring them back when Housing is being introduced, and presumably we will spend a lot of time in our place vs any other place.

Also, when they come back, don't fucking dare to have followers mission tables again, Blizzard.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Frankly, I don't understand why you're asking for more. Class Halls are horrible for class themes. Let them die and be forgotten for the sake of fantasy, dammit.

[Cheezits]

Racial themes > class themes for Midnight, IMO. Class halls should be in Northrend where none of the (currently) playable races are from, but there are also distinctive areas that fit the different classes.

[Wangming]

I kind of agree with the notion that Midnight would not have Class Halls.

On one hand, if it is the final confrontation of Light vs Void, is hard to think of a better time to reintroduce them. On the other hand, it would not make much sense to bring them back when Housing is being introduced, and presumably we will spend a lot of time in our place vs any other place.

Well, at least that would provide an incentive to not get stuck in either of those places. Remeber, a big problem with Garrison was that we just hung out there, that was our hub. Now if we had an Order Hall, a personal house and some sort of main storyline command center to visit to get the most out of the game, it wouldn't feel claustrophobic and isolated.