The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Ahahaha yeeee, this worked so well for the Horde in the past.

The sole reason they went council mode was because of Garrosh/Sylvi. Would make little sense to keep doing Warchief after so many fuck-ups.

Is it really that hard to not pick an unhinged person to lead your faction? Thrall's worst decision was to put Garrosh in charge. He could've let literally anyone else lead.

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When it comes to the Forsaken at least, them using the Lordaeron crest on their clothing makes me think they're accepting Calia as the de facto leader, even if it's technically a council.

[Makabreska]

Is it really that hard to not pick an unhinged person to lead your faction? Thrall's worst decision was to put Garrosh in charge. He could've let literally anyone else lead.

It seems it is. But Horde burned themselves super hard with their warchiefs, so it is logical for them to pick more democratic approach.

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When it comes to the Forsaken at least, them using the Lordaeron crest on their clothing makes me think they're accepting Calia as the de facto leader, even if it's technically a council.

Well, every council needs a chairman.

[Super Dickmann]

When it comes to the Forsaken at least, them using the Lordaeron crest on their clothing makes me think they're accepting Calia as the de facto leader, even if it's technically a council.

The Forsaken are the successor state of the Kingdom of Lordaeron, there's nothing really conspicuous about using the logo. That said, yes, it's invariably going to be about Calia because she has a unique model and they badly want to make her work. They're just likely to pussyfoot around it again closer to the SL epilogue story rather than the BFA-era trashfire. The real question is if they try their hand at trying to backtrack from Sylvanas in BFA style again, given the impossibility to do a Forsaken heritage story that doesn't bring up the most important Forsaken character or if they try to avoid the massive elephant in the room.

[Cheezits]

It got leaked that the Council awards the Forsaken Armor, not Calia, so I don't think she's going to be the leader. It will be interesting to see how they changed in the timeskip but I think it's still going to be a joint Voss/Calia thing as the face of the group.

What Calia ACTUALLY does in the Undercity will be interesting. Also, whether or not the Primus connects with them.

[Super Dickmann]

It got leaked that the Council awards the Forsaken Armor, not Calia, so I don't think she's going to be the leader. It will be interesting to see how they changed in the timeskip but I think it's still going to be a joint Voss/Calia thing as the face of the group.

What Calia ACTUALLY does in the Undercity will be interesting. Also, whether or not the Primus connects with them.

I sincerely hope they don't bring back the Undercity and if there's a change it's to remodel upper Lordaeron. From the datamined business it seems like either the Maw or Maldraxxus will come up. THe DEsolate Council being the ones to hand the reward doesn't mean much since the fact that there's a council doesn't mean one member isn't the focus of the story. But given how the last bit went I do see them being cautious with Calia.

[Xilurm]

The Forsaken are the successor state of the Kingdom of Lordaeron, there's nothing really conspicuous about using the logo. That said, yes, it's invariably going to be about Calia because she has a unique model and they badly want to make her work. They're just likely to pussyfoot around it again closer to the SL epilogue story rather than the BFA-era trashfire.

Well yeah but that does mean they are accepting their heritage. At the end of the day it's just a logo/symbol. They could've used something else like they have done all this time. Part of their heritage also means that they were ruled by a Menethil, even if one of them was unhinged and destroyed everything.

[Super Dickmann]

Well yeah but that does mean they are accepting their heritage. At the end of the day it's just a logo/symbol. They could've used something else like they have done all this time. Part of their heritage also means that they were ruled by a Menethil, even if one of them was unhinged and destroyed everything.

There's nothing new about them accepting their heritage, Lordaeronian nationalism was part of the bedrock of the Cataclysm shift. It's so on the nose that there's a quest where Sylvanas goes on about it. It's literally called Lordaeron. There being an issue with Lordaeronian heritage entirely stems from the shitty BFA tie-in book, which also tried to turn acceptance of Lordaeron into wanting to be discount humans instead of recontextualizing it to mesh with their undeath.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/nozdorm...dawn-of-334056

It seems logical to me that the megadungeon is called "the dawn of infinity" and not "the fall of infinity". The transformation of Norzdormu into Murozond is more than likely, our actions only prove it.

Honestly, it would still be greatly disappointing if this were the case. While it does line up with the already-known circumstances of Murozond's transformation, I figured an upending of the timeline was in order to begin with. Absolutely nothing unexpected is occurring here other than that Nozdormu's transformation has been delayed to the exact circumstances under which we already know it will occur. I maintain the transformation should have happened in Dawn of the Infinite because it's far more in-line with the role of the Infinite Dragonflight to begin with to have something entirely unprecedented occur and screw up the timeline.

The sole reason they went council mode was because of Garrosh/Sylvi. Would make little sense to keep doing Warchief after so many fuck-ups.

Contrast what is reasonable within the story and what is better for its overall health. On one hand, you're right that it would be an absolutely nonsensical decision in-universe. Conversely, the deprecation of the position of warchief is an irrevocable defilement of the Horde's identity.

It was cool when they did it with the Dwarves, because it represented their different lineages and added tension to their story.

Horde and Forsaken councils just feel like they're trying to dodge establishing a new direction for these respective factions. It just becomes an ambiguous, flavorless mess. In trying to appease everyone they appease no one type of deal.

Agreed. The Horde's direction, as it is, is completely confused and partially deprived of its original context and identity.

[Xilurm]

All of these things sound out of character for all these characters.

I hope it's not Elune.

[Murlocos]

Agreed. The Horde's direction, as it is, is completely confused and partially deprived of its original context and identity.

Stuff like this is why I'm firm that BfA did a ton of damage to the immediate setting of the game, even though SL gets (rightfully) a lot of attention in that regard. Whacking the Horde with the pure evil bat in a faction war expansion only a few years after the last time has put them in the ICU. Even worse, a poorly written faction war that just abruptly ends because Sylvanas tells you to see the rest of the story in the next expansion and leaves. I'd go so far as to say Blizzard is happier to reference the events of SL than BfA, because it's just this unresolved lingering cloud over the factions they hope everyone forgets as time passes.

It's why I'm really not jazzed with the ideas of evil zealot Turalyon or villainous Alliance. I think that writing has been disastrous for the Horde and turnabout is not fair play here.

[Xilurm]

Evil Turalyon is so dumb, honestly. Alleria too. They don't need to be evil, they need to be kept in the background so they can come forward and be the main leading characters when the eventual void expansion happens.

Or maybe the light expansion. That'd be interesting if Yrel comes knocking. Light vs Light, with a little bit of Void on the side.

[Auxis]

So what's the general consensus in here about the NE heritage so far?

I'm seeing a surprising amount of meh/dislike on other sites, several comments about no "purple and gold" or how the chest isnt a bra.
When the set is almost literally a 1:1 copy of the set that the vanilla cinematic/box Night elf was wearing. And body type 2 has a matching bra (for the maroon colour at least) if you REALLY need to have a bra.

Tbh the set really encapsulates heritage/traditional night elf units. Huntress, sentinel, moon priestess, it just looks right. And it looks like it could be enterpretted as any armour type which is a bonus.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

So what's the general consensus in here about the NE heritage so far?

I'm seeing a surprising amount of meh/dislike on other sites, several comments about no "purple and gold" or how the chest isnt a bra.
When the set is almost literally a 1:1 copy of the set that the vanilla cinematic/box Night elf was wearing. And body type 2 has a matching bra (for the maroon colour at least) if you REALLY need to have a bra.

Tbh the set really encapsulates heritage/traditional night elf units. Huntress, sentinel, moon priestess, it just looks right. And it looks like it could be enterpretted as any armour type which is a bonus.

From what i've seen, some people say that it's just no skimpy enough like the one that bfa npc wear, it's probably the same people that install only bikini armor mods for skyrim for one reason -horny.

As for me? i like it, it seems like NE will get glaives too, that are not DH only, so that's a plus.

[Auxis]

Any one else that doesn't like the idea of "councils"? Horde council, Forsaken council etc? I'd much prefer a singular leader.

I'm kinda getting sick of councils. Another fictional universe that I'm currently consuming has 'council' as an answer to every type of political unrest and its.. I get the idea, give everyone a say because its multiple groups in an area. But it's just a meme at this point.

I think the healthiest way to look at it is it isnt a ruling body, it's a way for different factions to decide on courses of action. Definitely more balanced than multiple factions putting in their word and having 1 ruler make the choice.

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From what i've seen, some people say that it's just no skimpy enough like the one that bfa npc wear, it's probably the same people that install only bikini armor mods for skyrim for one reason -horny.

As for me? i like it, it seems like NE will get glaives too, that are not DH only, so that's a plus.

Oh? Are their some new items being datamined?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I'm kinda getting sick of councils. Another fictional universe that I'm currently consuming has 'council' as an answer to every type of political unrest and its.. I get the idea, give everyone a say because its multiple groups in an area. But it's just a meme at this point.

I think the healthiest way to look at it is it isnt a ruling body, it's a way for different factions to decide on courses of action. Definitely more balanced than multiple factions putting in their word and having 1 ruler make the choice.

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Oh? Are their some new items being datamined?

this, probably reward like tauren totems.

[Sondrelk]

Well yeah but that does mean they are accepting their heritage. At the end of the day it's just a logo/symbol. They could've used something else like they have done all this time. Part of their heritage also means that they were ruled by a Menethil, even if one of them was unhinged and destroyed everything.

How does Arthas being a Menethil still get brought up as a potential issue to Forsaken at large? There is a plaque at the elevator to Undercity that specifically states that they choose to not blame the Menethils for what Arthas did, and that they choose to judge him on his own merits, rather than being his name into it.

[Cheezits]

The Chest armor complaint is funny because you can LITERALLY hide it and just wear a bra.

The colors are way better than purple and gold. The Darnassus colors, which were ugly to begin with, got lots of hate in BFA for good reason.

I think they will be changing out the Nelf flag and colors anyway, similar to Forsaken.

[Xilurm]

So what's the general consensus in here about the NE heritage so far?

I'm seeing a surprising amount of meh/dislike on other sites, several comments about no "purple and gold" or how the chest isnt a bra.
When the set is almost literally a 1:1 copy of the set that the vanilla cinematic/box Night elf was wearing. And body type 2 has a matching bra (for the maroon colour at least) if you REALLY need to have a bra.

Tbh the set really encapsulates heritage/traditional night elf units. Huntress, sentinel, moon priestess, it just looks right. And it looks like it could be enterpretted as any armour type which is a bonus.

I like it, but I feel like the leather wrap is weird. On the females they already have a breastplate, they should've just let that on without the leather wrap. On the males it just looks weird period.

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From what i've seen, some people say that it's just no skimpy enough like the one that bfa npc wear, it's probably the same people that install only bikini armor mods for skyrim for one reason -horny.

No. I never once installed an nsfw mod and I want something like that. I don't even want a plain ol bra anyway. I want something more akin to this.



It's not just a bra, but it's a traditional looking breastplate that fits the Night Elf amazon aesthetic that they've had since WC3.

Something like that is better than a leather wrap. But again, I don't hate it. I just think it could be better.

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I'm kinda getting sick of councils. Another fictional universe that I'm currently consuming has 'council' as an answer to every type of political unrest and its.. I get the idea, give everyone a say because its multiple groups in an area. But it's just a meme at this point.

I think the healthiest way to look at it is it isnt a ruling body, it's a way for different factions to decide on courses of action. Definitely more balanced than multiple factions putting in their word and having 1 ruler make the choice.

I really like "return of the king" type of story as well so the idea of councils is so boring to me. This is fantasy setting specific though. Councils work so much better in a sci-fi universe.

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The Chest armor complaint is funny because you can LITERALLY hide it and just wear a bra.

The colors are way better than purple and gold. The Darnassus colors, which were ugly to begin with, got lots of hate in BFA for good reason.

I think they will be changing out the Nelf flag and colors anyway, similar to Forsaken.

I don't think there's a bra in the game that has the Night Elf architecture and colours though?

[Auxis]

this, probably reward like tauren totems.

Ooooo
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[ImTheMizAwesome]

When it comes to warchiefs i can only see an orc on that position, i might be a little biased but i dunno, it just fits together.

This council i don't really care about, it makes some sense for the story i guess but it's just so boring, they also didn't really did much with it.