The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Expect the unexpected with Midnight. Look how TWW jumped from Khaz Algar to Undermine to K'aresh. Metzen loves to jump to his creations as long it fits his story plot.

TWW is mostly disjointed because its launch storylines were delayed to future expansions (Arathi/Beledar, Orweyna/Rootlands, Earthen/Worldcore) so they needed to fit in ANYTHING that would keep players interested. I'm not expecting the same bouncing around in Midnight and TLT as they are being built from the ground up.

But Midnight should still have some surprises as I doubt it will all be on QT, and we already went to Karesh.

[Timester]

TWW is mostly disjointed because its launch storylines were delayed to future expansions (Arathi/Beledar, Orweyna/Rootlands, Earthen/Worldcore) so they needed to fit in ANYTHING that would keep players interested. I'm not expecting the same bouncing around in Midnight and TLT as they are being built from the ground up.

I would. Metzen did the same in WoD and in Legion, he loves "rule of cool" and fan favorites. One has to understand how the story dev works to figure out how the story will continue.

Heck, we are jumping from K'aresh to Quel'thalas and somehow we will go to Northrend 3 patches later (13.0).

[Rigzik]

12.0- Thalassian reunification + Amani Crypts raid
12.1- scourge themed raid OR draenei themed raid, somehow
12.2- Xal raid

Would be cool if Strath or Deathholme is turned into a megadungeon however.

I don't know, I feel like we're more likely to see Zul'Aman return as either a raid or mega dungeon.

[Cheezits]

I would. Metzen did the same in WoD and in Legion, he loves "rule of cool" and fan favorites. One has to understand how the story dev works to figure out how the story will continue.

I really don't think there was anything unexpected in WoD or Legion, WoD abandonment nonwithstanding. The Legion invasion was teased at WoD launch and Argus got plenty of build up.

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I don't know, I feel like we're more likely to see Zul'Aman return as either a raid or mega dungeon.

Possible, but Amani are likely going to be an ally and renown of their zone, and Zul'Aman was their main city. It could just be abandoned/corrupted now, but I am not expecting a "troll raid" from 2025 Blizzard because ethnic genocide has been deemed a no-no.

[Timester]

I really don't think there was anything unexpected in WoD or Legion, WoD abandonme nt nonwithstanding. The Legion invasion was teased at WoD launch and Argus got plenty of build up.

So did K'aresh, ever since the Nerubian raid.

Jumping around doesn't mean there isn't a build up for it.

[Darkarath]

I said this before but man, Midnight has so many plots and threads to explore if Blizzard feels like it.

For example, I wonder if we would see Yrel Light's army. Midnight will certainly be the perfect chance for her to make an appearance. Maybe our situation is so desperate that we have to make an alliance with her, no matter how the Mag'har feel about it, and it would also let us explore more about the Draenei, whose presence in Midnight would be mandatory.

Imagine that Yrel conquered alternate Azeroth and sends to our aid just her Azerothian army, probably mostly made of humans that would certainly fit well with the Red Dawn.

The possibilities for Midnight are so vast that is almost scary how badly Blizzard could mess it up.

[Cheezits]

So did K'aresh, ever since the Nerubian raid.

Jumping around doesn't mean there isn't a build up for it.

Kyveza and Azir's existence did not point to "K'aresh is the final patch" considering how much of a shock the Undermine finale was to even the biggest lore nerds here. Most people thought it was a tease for Midnight, even after the cinematic reveal, where there then was an argument about whether it was for Midnight or not.

Most expansions don't jump around like this and I do not expect that level of disconnect in Midnight or TLT.

[Rigzik]

I really don't think there was anything unexpected in WoD or Legion, WoD abandonment nonwithstanding. The Legion invasion was teased at WoD launch and Argus got plenty of build up.

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Possible, but Amani are likely going to be an ally and renown of their zone, and Zul'Aman was their main city. It could just be abandoned/corrupted now, but I am not expecting a "troll raid" from 2025 Blizzard because ethnic genocide has been deemed a no-no.

If I had to take a guess, to fit in the new modern Blizzard style, it'd be focused around forces of the void invasion threatening the land of the Amani tribe and us helping them fight back to retake Zul'Aman with our help. Ideally, this ends with them finally becoming an allied race for trolls on both Horde and Alliance. This fits within the new modern safe storytelling we've come to expect with Blizzard.

[Timester]

Kyveza and Azir's existence did not point to "K'aresh is the final patch" considering how much of a shock the Undermine finale was to even the biggest lore nerds here.

Most expansions don't jump around like this and I do not expect that level of disconnect in Midnight or TLT.

Like I said, expect the unexpected. As Midnight is about the Void invasion and setting up the return of the Titans for The Last Titan. I wouldn't discard that 12.2 is a raid on some secret Titan facility at the Maelstrom or something like that.

I'm reading too much speculation about "the Light" and ignoring that we already know they are going to set-up the Titans, Sargeras and Illidan and Northrend for 13.0.

[Cheezits]

If I had to take a guess, to fit in the new modern Blizzard style, it'd be focused around forces of the void invasion threatening the land of the Amani tribe and us helping them fight back to retake Zul'Aman with our help. Ideally, this ends with them finally becoming an allied race for trolls on both Horde and Alliance. This fits within the new modern safe storytelling we've come to expect with Blizzard.

I think it's way more likely that different zones unlock different ARs for individual factions (High Elf, Amani) than Trolls on Alliance. That may be how they introduce Broken as well (Draenei zone?)

The Scourge zone could unlock... something... for Horde.

[Nightshade711]

To be honest, I do hope that Amitus is becoming canon, I really think she has a cool design and an actually interesting story, but I don't hope that she will necessarily be the last titan. I suppose it would be hard to introduce her in TLT and then also characterise and then also kill her off.

I definitely think her design should be reworked if she’s brought into wow. Like she looks a bit too human to me.

The other titans look like they’re made of metal/stone for example & her outfit doesn’t really match the general “Greek pantheon inspired” aesthetic that the other titans have imo.

[Raetary]

I definitely think her design should be reworked if she’s brought into wow. Like she looks a bit too human to me.

The other titans look like they’re made of metal/stone for example & her outfit doesn’t really match the general “Greek pantheon inspired” aesthetic that the other titans have imo.

Bruh what?
She looks more greek than the rest of them.

She literally has hoplite helmets as shoulderpads, wears a pteruges, protected sandals and even holds a stone tablet.

And she does look stone-y, she just isn't shiny, she's made to look like clay.

[13last]

I said this before but man, Midnight has so many plots and threads to explore if Blizzard feels like it.

For example, I wonder if we would see Yrel Light's army. Midnight will certainly be the perfect chance for her to make an appearance. Maybe our situation is so desperate that we have to make an alliance with her, no matter how the Mag'har feel about it, and it would also let us explore more about the Draenei, whose presence in Midnight would be mandatory.

Imagine that Yrel conquered alternate Azeroth and sends to our aid just her Azerothian army, probably mostly made of humans that would certainly fit well with the Red Dawn.

The possibilities for Midnight are so vast that is almost scary how badly Blizzard could mess it up.

You think she'd be introduced in a patch and help us out and then turn on us? Interesting take, I really wanna see her again but I honestly see her as a Xal'atath threat equivalent for the light. Maybe she helps us out and sees how much we've changed and how the void is everywhere.

Her whole army is fanatical and it fits with the Arathi theme real well which is why I honestly suspect Light invasion or some holy war for our next saga. Tyralyon would be a big character for that arc as well. It'd be cool to have a WoW civil war with some races aligning with her goal - (maybe humans, maybe some Draenei, but I think Illidan left a big mark on Velen about choosing our own paths and not be a pawn for the light). Yrel would definitely hate void elves and go after them the hardest aha. It'd be a cool storyline if done right.

I personally think Illidan and Sargeras are gonna help us out vs the Titans and sacrifice themselves, and then we'd deal with the Light next but I'm honestly excited to see what Blizzard has cooked up for Midnight, only a month away to find out.

[Alanar]

I said this before but man, Midnight has so many plots and threads to explore if Blizzard feels like it.
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Honestly, that is what these forums do for ya. I get ya, but most of it, are players own ideas of what it could be.

Dont hype yourself up with all these crazy theories, they might tackle 1 or 2 of the list or none at all.

We basically still dont know anything lol. Rlx.

[Rigzik]

You think she'd be introduced in a patch and help us out and then turn on us? Interesting take, I really wanna see her again but I honestly see her as a Xal'atath threat equivalent for the light. Maybe she helps us out and sees how much we've changed and how the void is everywhere.

Her whole army is fanatical and it fits with the Arathi theme real well which is why I honestly suspect Light invasion or some holy war for our next saga. Tyralyon would be a big character for that arc as well. It'd be cool to have a WoW civil war with some races aligning with her goal - (maybe humans, maybe some Draenei, but I think Illidan left a big mark on Velen about choosing our own paths and not be a pawn for the light). Yrel would definitely have void elves and go after them the hardest aha. It'd be a cool storyline if done right.

If anything, he'll likely be aligned with the Titans given how light based the Titans seem to actually be.

[Alanar]

Bruh what?
She looks more greek than the rest of them.

She literally has hoplite helmets as shoulderpads, wears a pteruges and even holds a stone tablet.

And she does look stone-y, she just isn't shiny, she's made to look like clay.

All of them look humanoid lol.

[Cheezits]

Honestly, that is what these forums do for ya. I get ya, but most of it, are players own ideas of what it could be.

Dont hype yourself up with all these crazy theories, they might tackle 1 or 2 of the list or none at all.

We basically still dont know anything lol. Rlx.

This is the speculation thread.

[Nightshade711]

Bruh what?
She looks more greek than the rest of them.

She literally has hoplite helmets as shoulderpads, wears a pteruges, protected sandals and even holds a stone tablet.

And she does look stone-y, she just isn't shiny, she's made to look like clay.

Idk she just looks like a human with glowing eyes to me.
I don’t really get the vibe that she’s made of clay tbh - but maybe that’d change with an in-game model idk.

[Darkarath]

You think she'd be introduced in a patch and help us out and then turn on us? Interesting take, I really wanna see her again but I honestly see her as a Xal'atath threat equivalent for the light. Maybe she helps us out and sees how much we've changed and how the void is everywhere.

Her whole army is fanatical and it fits with the Arathi theme real well which is why I honestly suspect Light invasion or some holy war for our next saga. Tyralyon would be a big character for that arc as well. It'd be cool to have a WoW civil war with some races aligning with her goal - (maybe humans, maybe some Draenei, but I think Illidan left a big mark on Velen about choosing our own paths and not be a pawn for the light). Yrel would definitely hate void elves and go after them the hardest aha. It'd be a cool storyline if done right.

I personally think Illidan and Sargeras are gonna help us out vs the Titans and sacrifice themselves, and then we'd deal with the Light next but I'm honestly excited to see what Blizzard has cooked up for Midnight, only a month away to find out.

Yrel would eventually turn on everyone if she is as fanatic as she seems. My idea here is that both Yrel's army and the Arathi help us against the Void, but then turn on each other, as it seems impossible to me that the vision of Yrel and the vision of the Arathi's Emperor are the same even if both belong to the Light.

They are both fanatics and would not allow to be ruled by any other or to have another Light Empire competing with them. Hence a Light civil war where we have to align with the least fanatics parts of both the Arathi and Yrel's army to build something new would be cool.

[13last]

Yrel would eventually turn on everyone if she is as fanatic as she seems. My idea here is that both Yrel's army and the Arathi help us against the Void, but then turn on each other, as it seems impossible to me that the vision of Yrel and the vision of the Arathi's Emperor are the same even if both belong to the Light.

They are both fanatics and would not allow to be ruled by any other or to have another Light Empire competing with them. Hence a Light civil war where we have to align with the least fanatics parts of both the Arathi and Yrel's army to build something new would be cool.

Cool take, never thought about it like that. I wonder if they'd make her a full fanatic that cannot be reasoned with. We did save her in WoD, but during the Mag'har intro she seemed to have gone insane.

I'm also curious with Blizzards new story direction going forward. I know Metzen is back but he said something interesting during Blizzcon. That the story is no longer top down (meaning not just select few that decide it) but more as a team. I hope to be pleasantly surprised but at the same time we can't please everyone lol.