The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Idk she just looks like a human with glowing eyes to me.
I don’t really get the vibe that she’s made of clay tbh - but maybe that’d change with an in-game model idk.

I think it's because she's a regular skin color versus the off-colors the other titans have that make them clearly stone or metal. Last time I checked I don't think there was an obviously "Caucasian" one, whereas Amitus is clearly meant to be a black woman.

I think it would be much cooler if she was clay-red or a shade of obsidian than just a normal skin tone.

[Alanar]

This is the speculation thread.

You missed the point.

You cant expect every fanmade plots and threads to be adressed, regardless of this thread. Most of them here, are things people think of hasnt been mentioned by blizz, besides the few obvious we know off.

[Jolly Roger]

This is the speculation thread.

hes saying dont go full pyro

[Enrif]

I think it's way more likely that different zones unlock different ARs for individual factions (High Elf, Amani) than Trolls on Alliance. That may be how they introduce Broken as well (Draenei zone?)

The Scourge zone could unlock... something... for Horde.

the last time we have faction based races was in BfA. DF and TWW both added neutral races. Dwarves for the Horde, after they already had Elves for the Horde for such a long time. So why not Trolls for the Alliance?

[Wangming]

hes saying dont go full pyro

Never go full pyro.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Hypothetical question if for some reason we jump from one place to another place and its' not Quel'thalas structured is that a problem?

Honestly in my view as long as they take the fantasy of a Final battle between Light and Shadow for the Sunwell seriously in the Final Major Patch of Midnight and they have some sort of IGC/CGI Scene that actually is incredible I honestly don't really care if it is Amani in 12.1 but I do worry a bit that they somehow just go crazy and push Avaloren as a Major Patch and then push Renilash into some cosmic place instead of at the Sunwell.

I honestly am a bit worried if the structure stays as unstructured as The War Within. They love these extremely hype mini-expansions for the Major Patches and I do sort of worry if they keep indulging that these Saga expansions keep derailing into just incoherency.

Then again maybe the Sunwell is 12.1, I hope they don't waste Avaloren on a Major Patch. But who knows.

[Enrif]

Kyveza and Azir's existence did not point to "K'aresh is the final patch" considering how much of a shock the Undermine finale was to even the biggest lore nerds here. Most people thought it was a tease for Midnight, even after the cinematic reveal, where there then was an argument about whether it was for Midnight or not.

Most expansions don't jump around like this and I do not expect that level of disconnect in Midnight or TLT.

Many people put up "ethereal something" since the etherealraid icon was alongside the goblindraid icon and that we got a ethereal boss in the very first raid. But some louder voices here stuck to the rootlands theory for such a long time, even after the Amir cinematic. That we would actually go to K'aresh, that was not that clear, but an ethereal focus was known since the start of expansion

[milkmustache]

Hypothetical question if for some reason we jump from one place to another place and its' not Quel'thalas structured is that a problem?

Honestly in my view as long as they take the fantasy of a Final battle between Light and Shadow for the Sunwell seriously in the Final Major Patch of Midnight and they have some sort of IGC/CGI Scene that actually is incredible I honestly don't really care if it is Amani in 12.1 but I do worry a bit that they somehow just go crazy and push Avaloren as a Major Patch and then push Renilash into some cosmic place instead of at the Sunwell.

I honestly am a bit worried if the structure stays as unstructured as Midnight. They love these extremely hype mini-expansions for the Major Patches and I do sort of worry if they keep indulging that these Saga expansions keep derailing into just incoherency.

Then again maybe the Sunwell is 12.1, I hope they don't waste Avaloren on a Major Patch. But who knows.

I get the feeling that Avaloren is the only thing that's completely off the table for a major patch solely because it's so ripe for an expansion (or possible Saga).

[Enrif]

Hypothetical question if for some reason we jump from one place to another place and its' not Quel'thalas structured is that a problem?

Honestly in my view as long as they take the fantasy of a Final battle between Light and Shadow for the Sunwell seriously in the Final Major Patch of Midnight and they have some sort of IGC/CGI Scene that actually is incredible I honestly don't really care if it is Amani in 12.1 but I do worry a bit that they somehow just go crazy and push Avaloren as a Major Patch and then push Renilash into some cosmic place instead of at the Sunwell.

I honestly am a bit worried if the structure stays as unstructured as Midnight. They love these extremely hype mini-expansions for the Major Patches and I do sort of worry if they keep indulging that these Saga expansions keep derailing into just incoherency.

Then again maybe the Sunwell is 12.1, I hope they don't waste Avaloren on a Major Patch. But who knows.

i'm in camp "just QT+Amani" for Midnights 12.0 zones. For the patches i don't think we will go to any of the EK. The Draenei Isles could be something nice and fitting, something with the Naga could be fitting, the moon itself has potential. Or something underground QT.

[Zardas]

Never go full pyro.

What I am supposed to play then ? Demoman ?

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

i'm in camp "just QT+Amani" for Midnights 12.0 zones. For the patches i don't think we will go to any of the EK. The Draenei Isles could be something nice and fitting, something with the Naga could be fitting, the moon itself has potential. Or something underground QT.

Avaloren, Azumeryst isle, Karkora, the moons of Azeroth...

[Cheezits]

If the new Draenei city is truly going to fly, I can see Azuremyst being completely destroyed for one reason or another. Maybe that's the Naga area? Would be a good staging ground for them to attack Kalimdor later.

[Timester]

12.2 will be a Titanic raid. I'll be here to see if I'm correct or wrong.

[milkmustache]

Avaloren, Azumeryst isle, Karkora, the moons of Azeroth...

I think Avaloren has far too much of an impact on the future of Azeroth to be a patch zone. It screams expansion.

Azuremyst is definitely possible, but still seems detached.

Karkora and the moons... I dunno. The moons feel more plausible, it could be a great stage for a huge battle, but I think after having just done K'aresh we're going to stay pretty planetary, especially with the theme of "returning to the Old World" being a big selling point for Midnight. Karkora I think should appear in some form during the expansion-- maybe not in visiting, but in meeting it's inhabitants.

12.2 will be a Titanic raid. I'll be here to see if I'm correct or wrong.

Normally I'd say there's not a shot they do a Titanic raid before the Titanic expansion, but as I typed that I realized we'll be fighting Dimensius the All-Devouring as the final boss for TWW, the raid just before the Void expansion. So... it's possible! I still think it'll be Xal.

[Khaza-R]

I get the feeling that Avaloren is the only thing that's completely off the table for a major patch solely because it's so ripe for an expansion (or possible Saga).

People have said the same about a lot of places. Nazjatar, Argus, K'aresh, the Emerald Dream, etc. I don't think anything is off the table really.

Whatever they have planned for after the saga might not involve the other side of Azeroth.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Many people put up "ethereal something" since the etherealraid icon was alongside the goblindraid icon and that we got a ethereal boss in the very first raid. But some louder voices here stuck to the rootlands theory for such a long time, even after the Amir cinematic. That we would actually go to K'aresh, that was not that clear, but an ethereal focus was known since the start of expansion

Honestly, I think this wasn't a good expansion for ethereals to come back into the limelight. I'd rather they have gotten more prominence in Midnight while TWW kept to Azeroth. Making Midnight a TBC nostalgia expansion would've been a nice move, I think.

[Rigzik]

People have said the same about a lot of places. Nazjatar, Argus, K'aresh, the Emerald Dream, etc. I don't think anything is off the table really.

Whatever they have planned for after the saga might not involve the other side of Azeroth.

This 100%, entire planets like Argus and K'aresh have been reduced to content patches, but an island named Avaloren is somehow more glorious and worthy of its own expansion? Big doubt. After Blizzard neutered Nazjatar, anything is at play.

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Honestly, I think this wasn't a good expansion for ethereals to come back into the limelight. I'd rather they have gotten more prominence in Midnight while TWW kept to Azeroth. Making Midnight a TBC nostalgia expansion would've been a nice move, I think.

I'm really going to assume that Midnight features a remake of Lorderon, everything north of Arathi Highlands, and the patch cycle will see us going through the sunwell to whatever is on the otherside.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Don't get the Moon thing, like are we expecting a Temple of Elune on the moon filled with Elunarians or something who are tens of thousand years old. Moon Elves? Like, I don't know chief.

I mean it'd be cool if the Moons were hollow and actually just Titan facilities in case of catastrophic failure of concealing Azeroth in her prison but I jut have never felt the need to walk around in a deserted location in the vast loneliness while sniffing moondust.

[Rigzik]

[milkmustache]

People have said the same about a lot of places. Nazjatar, Argus, K'aresh, the Emerald Dream, etc. I don't think anything is off the table really.

Whatever they have planned for after the saga might not involve the other side of Azeroth.

I think the difference with those areas vs Avaloren is that we have a general idea of what they already consisted of and the risk of aesthetic fatigue that could come with it. The Arathi Empire is just one part of what Avaloren could bring, it's a pretty blank canvas they have the ability to paint however they please. I just think it'd be a wasted opportunity as a patch, unless it was a small portion to follow upon later.

Honestly, I think this wasn't a good expansion for ethereals to come back into the limelight. I'd rather they have gotten more prominence in Midnight while TWW kept to Azeroth. Making Midnight a TBC nostalgia expansion would've been a nice move, I think.

This is a dumb argument from myself, but K'aresh totally feels far more Broker than it does Ethereal lol. I still expect to see a lot of Ethereals in Midnight.

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This is an unrelated point, but the darkening of K'aresh from Dimensius made me think... Beledar's shifting was totally tech testing for changing darkness over Quel'thalas similar to Zaralek Caverns being a test tech for underground zones.

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This 100%, entire planets like Argus and K'aresh have been reduced to content patches, but an island named Avaloren is somehow more glorious and worthy of its own expansion? Big doubt. After Blizzard neutered Nazjatar, anything is at play.

It's less thatn Avaloren is "worthy", but that Avaloren has the potential to be anything. I'm not arguing that it's more worthy than Argus, K'aresh, Nazjatar or the Dream of having an expansion, but Blizzard has given us their reasons for why they didn't give those zones a full expansion and it unfortunately makes some sense. We can't pretend that WoD > Legion didn't have an oversaturation of the Legion aesthetic.

It is completely within reason that Avaloren is 12.1 or 12.2, we visit the Arathi Empire, have a raid on their main city with the Emperor as the final boss and that's that, but we'll almost certainly be returning to this conversation in 2-3 years to add Avaloren to this list of wasted potential patches and I have to feel that Blizzard was entirely aware of this discourse when they started to worldbuild the Arathi.