The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

What lore is getting destroyed by the armour sets?

I assume he's whining about man'ari skin tones or some shit.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I assume he's whining about man'ari skin tones or some shit.

It's not like it's been a big request from players for years, and it's also very easy to explain lorewise... Velen reuniting his people after the fall of the Legion, man'ari looking for redemption... like literally there are so many good ways to explain this.

Haters will just hate on anything at this point.

[Super Dickmann]

Yeah I like the cosmetics but I wish the lore made sense. Manari before Broken just because Manari are easy to do, even though it seems they are getting none of the Fel effects. Will that red Man'ari keep the gold Light of the Naaru graphic? Forsaken getting the most boring logo ever to replace Sylvanas' face; just give them the Lordaeron logo in purple and gold, perhaps with a skull on the background or just with skull decorations.

We don't need the skulls, just put the L there if they've not got the cojones for the proper high-res broken mask. WHich we know they do, as it was datamined already. The Man'ari all being purified and thus missing the fel graphics, but keeping the skintones both makes more sense lore-wise and is also boring in as much as it lessens the reason people wanted those skintones.

[Xilurm]

Draenei getting Man'ari skin tones makes more sense than Lightforged Draenei being Warlocks or Death Knights, that's for sure.

One thing I'm gonna say about the skin tones though is that they better not be just red colour smeared over the models, because from what I've seen that seems to be it. Yeah yeah it's PTR, that won't stop me from calling it out.

We need fel scars, scales on the face, new horns (didn't draenei already get new horns, I forgot) green eyes...

[Nymrohd]

We don't need the skulls, just put the L there if they've not got the cojones for the proper high-res broken mask. WHich we know they do, as it was datamined already. The Man'ari all being purified and thus missing the fel graphics, but keeping the skintones both makes more sense lore-wise and is also boring in as much as it lessens the reason people wanted those skintones.

I wonder how these Eredar are even going to get here. Are they leftovers who got stranded after the Legion invasion? I guess wait and see.

[Xilurm]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...41045616283648

Please don't be just NPC armour.... It's too good for it to be just NPC armour...

[Fahrad Wagner]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...41045616283648

Please don't be just NPC armour.... It's too good for it to be just NPC armour...

They're really stepping up their game with the armor, this looks fantastic

[Kiria]

From what I am seeing so far, it all looks amazing and a reason to stick around, cmon Blizz pull more winners for us, you're doing great so far!

[Nymrohd]

I really wish people start transitioning their content somewhere else but out of twitter.

[Worldshaper]

I flew around Ashenvale and that whole region of Kalimdor today on my Night Elf.

It got me thinking. Honestly, what I'd love the most about a potential world revamp would be a return to basics. I just miss the "real" World of Warcraft experience so much, the one we had back in the early days. You pick a race and a class that seems exciting, and you head out into the world on your own adventure.

With the trilogies about Disorder, Death, and Shadow (Void) effectively over with the next expansion, all the major threats against Azeroth have been dealt with. Sure, they'll plot their return someday. New threats will arise. Perhaps we'll explore some examples of the "fanatical side of the Light" or whatever in upcoming stories.

But I think a world revamp would be such a great opportunity to just slow things down for a few years. Let Azeroth just be Azeroth. Let's deal with Gnolls and Murlocs again.

Will it get boring? Perhaps. There's still room for small-scale threats like we used to have. Evil factions like the Scourge could still arise, and there could still be Old God cults, or rogue Demons hiding out in the dark corners of the world.

But let Azeroth BREATHE. Let new stories slowly begin to build organically over a few years.

[Xilurm]

I really wish people start transitioning their content somewhere else but out of twitter.

Twitter is too convenient. There's also reddit, but it's worse since the person datamining these isn't the one posting them.

[Yarathir]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...16704904155136

From the person who datamined the sets.

Bruh, like. I'll be the first one to say that I like the set, but this is a dumb take. Let people complain if they want. Fucking hell.

Neat. Dyed in the wool WoW stans are getting more and more unhinged and insular.

[Zaganite]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...41045616283648

Please don't be just NPC armour.... It's too good for it to be just NPC armour...

This is a gorgeous set! Like give it to the art team, they are bang on getting it!

[Nymrohd]

I mean it's a slightly updated version of the Firelands druid set, no? It's cool but the original one was flashier.

[Pheraz]

I flew around Ashenvale and that whole region of Kalimdor today on my Night Elf.

It got me thinking. Honestly, what I'd love the most about a potential world revamp would be a return to basics. I just miss the "real" World of Warcraft experience so much, the one we had back in the early days. You pick a race and a class that seems exciting, and you head out into the world on your own adventure.

With the trilogies about Disorder, Death, and Shadow (Void) effectively over with the next expansion, all the major threats against Azeroth have been dealt with. Sure, they'll plot their return someday. New threats will arise. Perhaps we'll explore some examples of the "fanatical side of the Light" or whatever in upcoming stories.

But I think a world revamp would be such a great opportunity to just slow things down for a few years. Let Azeroth just be Azeroth. Let's deal with Gnolls and Murlocs again.

Will it get boring? Perhaps. There's still room for small-scale threats like we used to have. Evil factions like the Scourge could still arise, and there could still be Old God cults, or rogue Demons hiding out in the dark corners of the world.

But let Azeroth BREATHE. Let new stories slowly begin to build organically over a few years.

Absolutely. This is sadly gone, mostly because blizzard needs places to gather people to consume new content. The world is so big that you can not force actual content everywhere. I have no idea what a solution to this would be, but eventually some random events spawning all over the globe but eventually with a bit more focus on story/more slow pace.

Slowing whole expansion down for this breathe elements is not everyone's cup of tea though. I must admit that even in dragonflight I miss some tensions in the zones.
But make iconic regions with racial identity meaningful and with rewards would be good ONTOP of standard new content like raids/dungeons/sets/mounts

[Raetary]

Do we know from where the class sets are gonna drop?

[Nymrohd]

Do we know from where the class sets are gonna drop?

No idea yet. People are hoping for a new solo challenge but who knows.

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Absolutely. This is sadly gone, mostly because blizzard needs places to gather people to consume new content. The world is so big that you can not force actual content everywhere. I have no idea what a solution to this would be, but eventually some random events spawning all over the globe but eventually with a bit more focus on story/more slow pace.

The solution to that issue is actually easy in that other games also face the problem and have solved it. ESO has rolling events all year long that target specific areas and just double the chance you will get cosmetics there. E.g. there can be a two week period where everything in Vvradenfell and Clockwork City has double the chance to drop cosmetics. So maybe we could have events/rares etc in the entire old world and they'd be tied to collectible rewards. Keep the drop rate low (not horribly low, think Timeless Isle). And then you could just focus on small clusters of zones (or if a visual update/revamp is done that merges zones, just a single one) and alternate which one is buffed every week. People would just flock to whatever is buffed since they drop rates would be much better.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

curious if they are saving the fel effects for the lightforged varients of the Man'ari if they also get the addition customizations.

I could see Lightforged analogues to the cracks and torn skin of the WoD-era Man'ari appearance being a good way of going about it. The AotL seems to have a habit of forcibly converting people, and even Lothraxion has traits indicative of a more violent redemption like the melted skin around where his horns were removed. Cracked hooves, fractured horns, and fissures in the skin, all radiating the Light would be a fairly nice addition. It would also be fairly sensible, since they'd likely be going on a bit of a recruitment drive after the Legion was dismantled.

Yeah I like the cosmetics but I wish the lore made sense. Manari before Broken just because Manari are easy to do, even though it seems they are getting none of the Fel effects.

Although it makes sense with the lore, it is a bit of a shame that the Man'ari skins are relatively bland. I can see why they were averse to it, at least, but it seems odd that everything else is fixed while the skin tones inexplicably remain. At the very least, they could have left the cracks in the horns and hooves, and maybe have left scars where there were previously fissures in the skin.

[Nymrohd]

I could see Lightforged analogues to the cracks and torn skin of the WoD-era Man'ari appearance being a good way of going about it. The AotL seems to have a habit of forcibly converting people, and even Lothraxion has traits indicative of a more violent redemption like the melted skin around where his horns were removed. Cracked hooves, fractured horns, and scars, all radiating the Light would be a fairly nice addition. It would also be fairly sensible, since they'd likely be going on a bit of a recruitment drive after the Legion was dismantled.

I think Lothraxion makes it clear that his conversion was not forced. But even the simple Lightforging would be violent in his case since it likely reacted to his Death/Fel nature. We actually have only one example of a forced conversion in the MU with Illidan (and in that case it could be explained as not a standard practice but rather as the culmination of an ancient obsession by X'era). We can assume that the AU has such conversions but we have no proof; the only people we meet or hear about converted by choice so it's possible that it never happens and it is just a way Geyarah's side explains people "betraying" them to the Light. Imo it probably does happen but I doubt it is prevalent.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I think Lothraxion makes it clear that his conversion was not forced. But even the simple Lightforging would be violent in his case since it likely reacted to his Death/Fel nature. We actually have only one example of a forced conversion in the MU with Illidan (and in that case it could be explained as not a standard practice but rather as the culmination of an ancient obsession by X'era). We can assume that the AU has such conversions but we have no proof; the only people we meet or hear about converted by choice so it's possible that it never happens and it is just a way Geyarah's side explains people "betraying" them to the Light. Imo it probably does happen but I doubt it is prevalent.

My wording was a bit ambiguous; I didn't meant to suggest that Lothraxion was forcibly converted. My meaning was more in line with your clarification, being that the process of redemption through Lightforging seems a bit more violent than the methodology being employed by Velen. Due to the more thorough healing that may be needed, I figure that Man'ari redeemed through Lightforging may experience a more violent experience than, say, T'paartos. It would also make sense for the Lightforging process to not heal fissures in the skin, hooves and horns to remind the converts of the redemptive power of the Light.

Agree on Geya'rah probably embellishing,—I'm definitely hoping it's more complex than "haha evil zealots",—but we do know that at least one Lightforged was interested in performing "purification" on captured prisoners, though it's unclear if that entails forced conversion or just execution.