The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Limayria]

I really hope Silvermoon is the hub.

People keep suggesting human cities in the area as if we haven't had like 5 billion human cities as hubs over the years and never had Silvermoon as a proper hub since even in BC it was so far away from anything relevant.

tbh if the trade off of having silvermoon being a full zone city, the size of a dflight or tww zone id take it, I could see tranquillen ending up as the "player hub" with the great vault and proff trainers and stuff at least until the max level MSQ is done, where I assume we're gonna retake silvermoon and use phase diving tech to switch between hostile and friendly silvermoon

[Wangming]

WoL, our only hope would be their illiteracy stopping them from understanding what happened LMAO

but for real id love a zenos type character in wow but theres 0 way that'll come in midnight or TLT we might get blizzards pale immitation when we go visit the Arathi because the most obvious set up for them is they have their own "champions of azeorth" who are going to be our primary antagnoist but still it lacks the personal 1 on 1 connection zenos X WoL had


(i am unsurprisingly zenos's number 1 fan, just like im the illidari's strongest solider o7 )

I mean, yes. Zenos had three expansions so it is late for the World Soul Saga. But we all are adventurers in the end. It wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine a merc hired by the bad guys, or some random Twilight Hammer cultist who has their own adventures and training till they can rival the player character and we clash on the battle field over and over again.

It takes setup.
Like his great Grandfather, good old Emet.
We KNEW about Ascians existing. And of course we knew about Emperor Solus. We also may have guessed something was wrong because for all its bravado of eradicating the Primal threat, the Garlean Empire seemed to have contributed to it instead. Or because Nael's crazy plan to hit the planet with Dalamud was okayed. Or because Lahabrea was pretty openly working with Gaius despite Ascians not known to be against Primal summoning.

By the time Emet was revealed to us, his inclusion and his very nature made sense. But was still a shocking twist.

To give credit where it is due, Xal'atath has been a constant meddler in affairs since Legion. In a way she is the Zenos to Alleria's WoL. She is definitely flirty enough.

[Sondrelk]

If elf reunification is supposed to be a major plot point of 12.0 then it would be weird if Silvermoon was not a hub. Kind of hard to drive that concept forward if there isn't a tangible place for them to gather around. Or conversely some place that has no real culture significance to them.

The issue with Silvermoon as a hub is that you can't have Suramar 2.0 where we reclaim it, which is also something that would kick the feet out from under the Elven reunification plotline.

It also prevents Silvermoon from staying a primarily Horde hub, which I bet some players will dislike.

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The problem is, that never happend. Suramar is still a hostile place, absolute dead for roleplayers. Ajz’kahet the same. Adventure zone cities suck for roleplayers. Just hostile npcs. Boralsu and Zuldazar are the only city zones that worked out.

That could be changed by the addition of an NPC that switches between hostile, and non-hostile Silvermoon.
It would only be an issue of having a proper hub with functional NPCs beyond banks and flight masters is a must.

[Raetary]

If elf reunification is supposed to be a major plot point of 12.0 then it would be weird if Silvermoon was not a hub. Kind of hard to drive that concept forward if there isn't a tangible place for them to gather around. Or conversely some place that has no real culture significance to them.

Silvermoon not ending as a hub by the end of the expansion story would be weird, but it being the expansion capital makes no sense with a corrupted Sunwell as the Belves main source of arcane sustenance and it being right next door.

It would also be narratively unsatisfying.
What do we do with a reunification storyline when there is no narrative reason or incentive to reunite at all?
If Silvermoon is fine, then so is the rest of Quel'thalas and the Belves would have little reason to let Helves and Velves back into society permanently.

It also makes Xal looks like a pushover.
All-Devouring Void Lord, only to not even manage to corrupt the first barrier of entry of her invasion onto Azeroth.

Silvermoon is not gonna stay unharmed.

[Limayria]

I mean, yes. Zenos had three expansions so it is late for the World Soul Saga. But we all are adventurers in the end. It wouldn't be unreasonable to imagine a merc hired by the bad guys, or some random Twilight Hammer cultist who has their own adventures and training till they can rival the player character and we clash on the battle field over and over again.

It takes setup.
Like his great Grandfather, good old Emet.
We KNEW about Ascians existing. And of course we knew about Emperor Solus. We also may have guessed something was wrong because for all its bravado of eradicating the Primal threat, the Garlean Empire seemed to have contributed to it instead. Or because Nael's crazy plan to hit the planet with Dalamud was okayed. Or because Lahabrea was pretty openly working with Gaius despite Ascians not known to be against Primal summoning.

By the time Emet was revealed to us, his inclusion and his very nature made sense. But was still a shocking twist.

To give credit where it is due, Xal'atath has been a constant meddler in affairs since Legion. In a way she is the Zenos to Alleria's WoL. She is definitely flirty enough.

yeah and therein lies the problem, FF14 gives the WoL character but wow is afraid to do so, so our zenos/wol dynamic is taken up by alleria and xal and zenos's basis of a character is reflecting the traits of the WoL there's nothing to start the interplay of an interesting rival between wow PC and an npc

even if we had a character who was introduced how would you develop them in a way that would resonate with characters? how do you have a rivalry with someone who is an entirely blank slate, hell our player characters dont even have set "feats" theyve accomplished to write around which gets in the way of stuff like us utilizing the heart of Azeorth in the future as a story hook because its very conciveable that there are players whove never done any bfa content at all

so we're stuck with the task of writing a rival for a character who has no defining characteristics and who's only accomplishments were what happened in the most recent ~8 hours of story quest


also the fact that blizzard seems Allergic to Xallleria really bothers me, actual perfect chance to have a story about Alleria's relationship with turyalon being born of comp het but instead we get a scene of alleria struggling with her gay thoughts and thinking of a bunch of men to fix her. I've shown dozens of people the azj kahet ending cut scene and they all have thought Xal was gonna kiss Alleria in it lmao

tho this is not really the place for this convo i get the feeling XD

[Wangming]

It also makes Xal looks like a pushover.
All-Devouring Void Lord, only to not even manage to corrupt the first barrier of entry of her invasion onto Azeroth.

Silvermoon is not gonna stay unharmed.

Agreed. They need to sell this as the largest void attack since forever.
It needs be another Legion just with purple instead of green and the Sunwell as the new Tomb of Sargeras.

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tho this is not really the place for this convo i get the feeling XD

It is not? I dunno. This is the Worldsoul saga speculation thread. Saying that Alleria will realise she is a closetet lesbian during the Worldsoul Saga is definitely a speculation.

For the record Turalyon and Alleria never really struck me as a couple that works. I think we just know from lore that they are a couple.

Granted I also ship Zutara, so maybe I'm not the best judge.

[KyleEverett]

The cinematic tease, if it's not a vision, makes me think we'll start at Light's Hope for our Midnight adventure. It's been long enough for it to be a full city, maybe absorbing some of the Scarlet Enclave ruins.

[Wangming]

The cinematic tease, if it's not a vision, makes me think we'll start at Light's Hope for our Midnight adventure. It's been long enough for it to be a full city, maybe absorbing some of the Scarlet Enclave ruins.

And what if it IS a vision?

Do you have a concept for that as well?

[Khaza-R]

Silvermoon not ending as a hub by the end of the expansion story would be weird, but it being the expansion capital makes no sense with a corrupted Sunwell as the Belves main source of arcane sustenance and it being right next door.

It would also be narratively unsatisfying.
What do we do with a reunification storyline when there is no narrative reason or incentive to reunite at all?
If Silvermoon is fine, then so is the rest of Quel'thalas and the Belves would have little reason to let Helves and Velves back into society permanently.

It also makes Xal looks like a pushover.
All-Devouring Void Lord, only to not even manage to corrupt the first barrier of entry of her invasion onto Azeroth.

Silvermoon is not gonna stay unharmed.

The Sunwell isn't corrupt though? The entire initial plot is that the Void wants to destroy it. Likely because its preventing their invasion from being complete. Defending the Sunwell is most likely the first raid.

The issue with Silvermoon as a hub is that you can't have Suramar 2.0 where we reclaim it, which is also something that would kick the feet out from under the Elven reunification plotline.

It also prevents Silvermoon from staying a primarily Horde hub, which I bet some players will dislike.
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I see no issues with any of this. Silvermoon does not need to be Suramar 2.0.

[Limayria]

Agreed. They need to sell this as the largest void attack since forever.
It needs be another Legion just with purple instead of green and the Sunwell as the new Tomb of Sargeras.

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It is not? I dunno. This is the Worldsoul saga speculation thread. Saying that Alleria will realise she is a closetet lesbian during the Worldsoul Saga is definitely a speculation.

For the record Turalyon and Alleria never really struck me as a couple that works. I think we just know from lore that they are a couple.

Granted I also ship Zutara, so maybe I'm not the best judge.

I think shipping zutara just means you have taste tbh

yeah Turalyon and Alleria have negative chemistry and tbh not killing him off in legion just seems more and more like a mistake imo would have actually given arator a reason to distrust Alleria and would have made excellent back ground to the whole "xal seducing Alleria literally and metaphorically to the side of the void"

but we gotta keep the wish fullfillment elf gf quota met i guess, they did kill off nathanos and Rohnin already

[KainneAbsolute]

I wish it would feel like an invasion. That every month, a capital in Azeroth falls, and we are forced to move to another capital.

[genegerbread]

Which doesn't really make sense though. Surely he could have stabbed anything.

Why was he aiming specifically at that point?

The Coreway isn't even that close to Silithus

The implication is that it is close, though. We see C'Thun's blood (the Black Blood) in Azj-Kahet and the Ringing Deeps, which only began showing up after Sargeras stabbed Silithus. For a titan who was larger than the planet itself, he honestly got pretty close. Not to mention that he could've very well been aiming at the Worldcore at the center of the world, which is likely much larger than the Worldsoul herself.

[Wangming]

I wish it would feel like an invasion. That every month, a capital in Azeroth falls, and we are forced to move to another capital.

I mean the idea is cool, I'm just not sure it is feasible for an MMO.

[Viridiel]

Are we certain the image is showing Silvermoon City and not the Sunwell Plateau with a funky lensing effect making Sunfury Spire seem closer than it really is? Or Quel'danas is being retconned back to being much closer to the city? It just seems like a slightly odd choice to attack Silvermoon when the Sunwell would be much less guarded. Unless it's a distraction to pull the magisters away from the Sunwell... but surely they would remain at their post even with Silvermoon being attacked. Could you imagine if Rommath decided to leave the Sunwell unguarded and it got destroyed again? Even if it's to try and thin out the reinforcements, surely Lor'themar's first thought would be to evacuate to the Sunwell to protect it and the people at the same time. Maybe I misunderstand his priorities.

Or I guess this could be after the attack on the Sunwell is successful, and the orb in the sky is the Sunwell itself becoming "the vessel" (a third moon?).

[Wangming]

Are we certain the image is showing Silvermoon City and not the Sunwell Plateau with a funky lensing effect making Sunfury Spire seem closer than it really is? Or Quel'danas is being retconned back to being much closer to the city? It just seems like a slightly odd choice to attack Silvermoon when the Sunwell would be much less guarded. Unless it's a distraction to pull the magisters away from the Sunwell... but surely they would remain at their post even with Silvermoon being attacked. Could you imagine if Rommath decided to leave the Sunwell unguarded and it got destroyed again? Even if it's to try and thin out the reinforcements, surely Lor'themar's first thought would be to evacuate to the Sunwell to protect it and the people at the same time. Maybe I misunderstand his priorities.

Or I guess this could be after the attack on the Sunwell is successful, and the orb in the sky is the Sunwell itself becoming "the vessel" (a third moon?).

It is obvious the initial attack against Quel'Thalas will end up as a catastrophic loss for us.

[Jolly Roger]

i am a bit tired of a big attack on a city and then we just dominate through the rest of the expansion

[Wangming]

i am a bit tired of a big attack on a city and then we just dominate through the rest of the expansion

So instead what should happen is.......?

[Chickat]

Based on the Alliance ones alone, yeah. Elwynn look, Duskwood look, and then that cliff with the waterfall. God damn that's a large scale.

Yeah, and with the other 4-5 zones of Midnight this is a lot of art work required for Midnight expansion. More imo than the last 2-3 expansions.

[Nibelheimy]

That Midnight art is certainly not what I expected to see after the 11.2 reveal. Looks cool all the same, also hoping they try and go a bit scary with the cinematic.

I also wish they'd put half the effort they put into cutscenes for a subscription mount into their in-game cutscenes, I.E. the Arathi Highlands one. It's a stark difference.

[Viridiel]

The Draenei, Trolls and Tauren. Maybe??

Tauren were transformed by Cenarius, and the yaungol they came from likely descended from an Ancient anyway. Pandaren could be unrelated to the titans, but they probably descend from an Ancient too. We're told that Ancients were blessed/transformed by Freya, but maybe that was a lie and they're actually the direct result of Elun'ahir.

It's just draenei and trolls right now, and I'm quite worried that the proto-trolls we were promised in Dragonflight are the drogbar, thereby making trolls a titan creation (failed, granted, but a titan creation nonetheless).

Elves are a border case, too, if trolls are unrelated to the drogbar. The Well of Eternity was stabilised by the titans, but it's not clear how much of the night elves' transformation can be attributed to their contribution rather than those of Azeroth and Elune, if any. I think Iridikron would count them as poisoned by the titans, though. The Well of Eternity only exists because of titan meddling.

While we're talking about races' ancestry, the Herald of Sa'bak mount looks like a midway point between elemental, crocolisk, proto-dragon, and tarasek. I could see him being an elemental crocolisk and the ancestor of proto-dragons and tarasek, and perhaps by extension the ancestor of trolls and elves if trolls descend from tarasek (it would explain their backwards toe and pointed features).

Has anybody mentioned the fact that this could be a hint for the crater of Elun'ahir? Maybe he's actually from underneath Un'goro, where the roots of Elun'ahir are tended to by the haranir. Elemental crocolisks are infused with Life magic by the roots and mutate into proto-dragons and tarasek, tarasek spread all over the world and some mutate into trolls, dark trolls rediscover the roots and are blessed by their loa Agamaggan to become haranir and dedicate their lives to caring for them.

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It is obvious the initial attack against Quel'Thalas will end up as a catastrophic loss for us.

So... yes, you think it might be taking place after the loss of the Sunwell?