The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ateo]

Spellbreakers new class in Midnight, Amani for Horde, Wildhammer for Alliance as allied races. Void DH spec and DH expanded to all races in prepatch.

You heard it here.

[Jolly Roger]

So instead what should happen is.......?

if they want the enemy to be a real threat throighout the expansion have us lose meaningful encounters
we have had how many raids end with us beating the boss but they get their goal?

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Spellbreakers new class in Midnight, Amani for Horde, Wildhammer for Alliance as allied races. Void DH spec and DH expanded to all races in prepatch.

You heard it here.

You screwed up, buddy.Wild hammer is already a customization option

[Wyrt]

Spellbreakers new class in Midnight, Amani for Horde, Wildhammer for Alliance as allied races. Void DH spec and DH expanded to all races in prepatch.

You heard it here.

Ah yeah, that's what'll get people excited, a 4th type of dwarf because so many people play the 3 dwarves we already have.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, Iridikron was never against us though. It was us against him, not him against us.

Iridikron Is in general anti mortal, he was destroying mortal villages left and right and blaming it on the dragon flights to stir up shit all through out the war of the scale born and made sure to point out how disgusted he his by them for existing.

He at best he’ll want to use us as a tool and then kill us when he’s down with the titans.

[Cheezits]

and DH expanded to all races in prepatch.

Never ever.

[Viridiel]

Is this a new revelation? Because Chronicles imply the blood of Ysaarj hastened the evolution of the animal races. Are you confusing it for when Cenarius gifted the tauren race the secrets of druidism?

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the blood of Y'shaarj. Do you have a more specific source for that?

I was actually thinking of Cenarius creating the Highmountain by blessing them with the Horns of Eche'ro, but obviously that's not quite relevant. Tauren in general are specifically the yaungol who followed Cenarius, but yeah I don't think there's actually a specific account of him transforming them into tauren, so maybe their hanging around Cenarius doesn't matter.

In that case, it comes down to whether the yaungol descend from an Ancient or not, and if Ancients really are titan-blessed as we've been told. I'd like for tauren to be untouched by titans, but I'm not holding my breath.

[The-Shan]

The issue with Silvermoon as a hub is that you can't have Suramar 2.0 where we reclaim it, which is also something that would kick the feet out from under the Elven reunification plotline.

It also prevents Silvermoon from staying a primarily Horde hub, which I bet some players will dislike.

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That could be changed by the addition of an NPC that switches between hostile, and non-hostile Silvermoon.
It would only be an issue of having a proper hub with functional NPCs beyond banks and flight masters is a must.

I don't think blizzard takes into serious consideration how faction balance feels in the story, and they would rather it not box in their ability to tell their fiction. If they want Silvermoon to be where everyone hangs out, they'll make it happen. (And probably justify it by saying "It's the Void Elves' home too, even if they were exiled... Especially considering this story is apparently about the elven tribes reconciling)

If they felt strongly about 'faction balance' in the story, we wouldn't have spent the War Within following Alliance characters around for the most part.

[Cheezits]

The unlockable races in Midnight are going to be High Elf, Amani, Ethereal and Broker in some kind of order. All are emblematic of TBC and all four have been teased in various ways since Metzen came back on board.

[Fiercelord]

Wildhammer for Alliance as allied races.
You heard it here.

I'd consider unsubscribing. I know it's not true, but just imagine...

[arandomuser]

I mean, we always knew what he was aiming at. He was trying to kill our World Soul to prevent it from falling into Void. This part will be resolved most likely in TLT.

but he didnt stab the worldsoul, he could of cleaved our planet in twain long ago if he wanted to, he wants azeroth alive so he was aiming at something else, i guess given war within lore the logical thing i can think of us some part of the worldcore that is important not yet known to us?

[milkmustache]

The unlockable races in Midnight are going to be High Elf, Amani, Ethereal and Broker in some kind of order. All are emblematic of TBC and all four have been teased in various ways since Metzen came back on board.

Do you mean Broken? Otherwise, I fully agree.

I'm also crossing my fingers for Spellbreaker class but it doesn't feel likely.

[Cheezits]

Do you mean Broken? Otherwise, I fully agree.

I'm also crossing my fingers for Spellbreaker class but it doesn't feel likely.

Yup, Broken, slip of the tongue.

The less we get an obvious clue, the more I think we aren't getting a class vs spell customs and race/class combos.

[milkmustache]

Yup, Broken, slip of the tongue.

The less we get an obvious clue, the more I think we aren't getting a class vs spell customs and race/class combos.

Did we ever truly get a clue about Evokers other than the picture of Drek'thar, which was a leak?

I get the feeling that spell customs are still not coming, especially following Hero Talents which at announcement sort of seemed like it, but as we developed further learned it was different. I don't know what direction they'll go in for Hero Talents, but the tier bonuses for 11.2 make me think they'll stay, which is... fine, I guess? I wouldn't mind either way.

I truly hope we get a magic wielding plate class though, I think Arcane magics could use a little more playable representation in this game.

[Imotbh]

Has anyone found a new lore book with info about the cosmology on K'aresh? I've heard it from Doron (the Youtuber) but can't find the book on PTR to check, although I haven't watched everywhere yet.

[Hitei]

Did we ever truly get a clue about Evokers other than the picture of Drek'thar, which was a leak?

I get the feeling that spell customs are still not coming, especially following Hero Talents which at announcement sort of seemed like it, but as we developed further learned it was different. I don't know what direction they'll go in for Hero Talents, but the tier bonuses for 11.2 make me think they'll stay, which is... fine, I guess? I wouldn't mind either way.

I truly hope we get a magic wielding plate class though, I think Arcane magics could use a little more playable representation in this game.

We've never gotten an in-game clue about any upcoming new class as far as I know.

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Has anyone found a new lore book with info about the cosmology on K'aresh? I've heard it from Doron (the Youtuber) but can't find the book on PTR to check, although I haven't watched everywhere yet.

Are you talking about the plane energy levels book?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...7#post54709297

[Viridiel]

Yup, Broken, slip of the tongue.

The less we get an obvious clue, the more I think we aren't getting a class vs spell customs and race/class combos.

OK, that makes a LOT more sense.

I can't say I really understand all of the people who want playable broken, but it would be nice to get some more lore for them following the apparent retcon in Chronicle that they were transformed by the red pox infused with Fel energy rather than just by Fel energy pouring out of the portals that destroyed Draenor.

There's a problem, though, in the fact that broken cannot use the Light, so they would be the only race that can't be priests. I'm sure that can be fixed with some new lore or by retconning the appearance of Outland broken and combining them with Argus broken (thereby explaining that all broken priests come from Argus), but it definitely provides a challenge right now.

To be honest, I like the idea of further restrictions on race-class combinations provided it comes with a large racial overhaul and the addition of more races. The cat's probably out of the bag for most of them, but it would've been better to have man'ari (and/or broken!) as a race which can be warlocks rather than opening it to draenei and explaining it as man'ari joining the draenei.

[Hitei]

There's a problem, though, in the fact that broken cannot use the Light, so they would be the only race that can't be priests. I'm sure that can be fixed with some new lore or by retconning the appearance of Outland broken and combining them with Argus broken (thereby explaining that all broken priests come from Argus), but it definitely provides a challenge right now.

Not really a challenge or even particularly an issue. Putting aside that it was an inconsistent lore point to begin with (there are Broken mobs in BC that use the Light), they'd be priests anyway simply because they can be shadow priests.

[Chickat]

It's why I put Northeron into brackets. I'd want an EPL zone that continues across the coast all the way to Tirisfal. Stratholme becomes a port city with Stratholme Bay and we have a coastal area that connects to Scarlet Monastery and Hearthglen.

I personally want most of the Northern EK to be part of the continent.

I imagine Quel'thalas as 1 zone, Lordaeron as another, Arathi highlands and Northeron merged into a dwarven/troll zone, and An entire expanded Zulaman zone. Also there are underwater Naga areas all around the continent and Naga on the beaches.

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Btw I have been away for months. Any juicy Midnight leaks in the past few months?

[Golden Yak]

I personally want most of the Northern EK to be part of the continent.

I imagine Quel'thalas as 1 zone, Lordaeron as another, Arathi highlands and Northeron merged into a dwarven/troll zone, and An entire expanded Zulaman zone. Also there are underwater Naga areas all around the continent and Naga on the beaches.

For Midnight I'd like it all to be in Quel'thalas, with it being expanded out into four giant modern-sized zones - a rebuilt Ghostlands, rebuilt Eversong, Zul'aman zone, and the not-Northern western coast area. I want a full rebuild of an existing region, not just some basic Cata-esque tweaking of the existing geography.

Save the Easter Kingdoms revamping for a whole other expansion (post WSS).

Btw I have been away for months. Any juicy Midnight leaks in the past few months?

We just got that big splashart of the Void invading.



And there was the housing preview, that's looking pretty good.

Not much in the way of like content leaks, they'll probably ramp up after the big patch next month.

[Eldryth]

We've never gotten an in-game clue about any upcoming new class as far as I know.

Yeah, I don't remember any classes ever getting hinted at before they were revealed. Leaked, sometimes, but that's not planned (and wouldn't be recognized until we know the answer and look back at it). Most of the added classes weren't even remotely relevant for a long time before being added- DK came after TBC, where the Scourge were barely relevant; Pandaren weren't even in WoW the Mists reveal (aside from one brief mention of Chen), and Ysera was the only dragon presence in Shadowlands. So it doesn't really matter that they haven't been hinting at a class, they never do, and it'd be perfectly normal to get one now.

I could definitely see Spellbreakers coming, they fit Quel'thalas perfectly and are probably the biggest unfilled Elven fantasy (well, Thalassian Elven anyway; Wardens don't really fit the setting as much). Especially if they mix in all of the martial magic that the Nightborne used back in Legion- there's a lot of it, if you take some time to see what all the Nighthold mobs do. If we get a class like that, I might finally have a main that I'd stick with for more than a season or two.

For Midnight I'd like it all to be in Quel'thalas, with it being expanded out into four giant modern-sized zones - a rebuilt Ghostlands, rebuilt Eversong, Zul'aman zone, and the not-Northern western coast area. I want a full rebuild of an existing region, not just some basic Cata-esque tweaking of the existing geography.

Save the Easter Kingdoms revamping for a whole other expansion (post WSS).

I agree- personally, I think it'd be far more fun and interesting to see these regions fleshed out and expanded to a proper scale, so that they can really develop each culture. Take Kul'tiras for instance- it could have just as easily been just one zone if they wanted to give it the same scale that the old continents had, but instead they went into far more detail, and created several distinct zones that all further built on their lore. And they're so much better off with it, thanks to Drustvar and the Tidesage parts of Stormsong.

I'd love to see various races get that same kind of deep dive. Thalassian Elves first (since Midnight is already announced), but going all-in on Quel'thalas now creates room and precedent to do the same for other races down the line. A full expansion in Lordaeron and Gilneas? A Northern Kalimdor expansion focused on Night Elves and Orcs? An expansion all about Khaz Modan? Just slowly rebuild the entire world, with the scale and detail that newer regions tend to have.