The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[whoisqnx]

Watch it just be Blood Elves/High Elves/Void Elves defending Silvermoon together as being unified into one big force and also at the very end Sylvanas appearing with an army of elven souls from the Maw (that were all sent there when Teldrassil burned) and washing away the enemy, similar to how Aragorn led the ghost army in Lotr lol.
There, elves are "united"

[Makorus]

They said there would be a union of the (high) elf races. Everyone is saying that means they are forming a singular high elf nation that will go forward after Midnight, but the more likely explanation is there will be a temporary unified bulwark to defend the sunwell & then everything will go back to how it was once the midnight conflict is over, like in most expansion storylines.

Except that would be a reunion not a reunification.

[Alanar]

They said there would be a union of the (high) elf races. Everyone is saying that means they are forming a singular high elf nation that will go forward after Midnight, but the more likely explanation is there will be a temporary unified bulwark to defend the sunwell & then everything will go back to how it was once the midnight conflict is over, like in most expansion storylines.

This is exactly what I meant tbh, it could just end up being a temporary thing to help the greater good. There is not much reason or context out side a single word that we will have all scattered elves under one playable banner or what ever. It seems to wild for me at this point.

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I mean, the problem with that is that a "Void Elf society" doesn't really exist.

There's nothing that differentiates them from Blood Elves aside from "they are void-infused".

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How is "the scattered Elven tribes will reunify" -> "Blood Elves/High Elves/Void Elves will reunify" a weird comparison?

It would just be good for void elves to get to do their own thing and stand on their own. The problem is that they and fans are leeching of the blood elves. It doesnt make an interesting story. They be better off without their blood elf hogh elf past and move on to their own chapter imo.

No thats not what I said. I said: You went on and created this whole idea, gameplay and story around a single word. Comparing that to something that is not even a question ( what is the setting) which was known already.

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Watch it just be Blood Elves/High Elves/Void Elves defending Silvermoon together as being unified into one big force and also at the very end Sylvanas appearing with an army of elven souls from the Maw (that were all sent there when Teldrassil burned) and washing away the enemy, similar to how Aragorn led the ghost army in Lotr lol.
There, elves are "united"

Yup could be.

I could see Velen and the dreanei ( army of the light) help ad well and form one big shield together united.

Lotr reference here with the aotd would indeed be cool ngl.

[Makorus]

The problem with "The former Quel'dorei factions reunite momentarily and then go back to status quo" is that it is meaningless and doesn't move the story forward one bit, and also, that this... happens every expansion? Why would they point it out when it literally happened in The War Within and Dragonflight already

[milkmustache]

The problem with "The former Quel'dorei factions reunite momentarily and then go back to status quo" is that it is meaningless and doesn't move the story forward one bit, and also, that this... happens every expansion? Why would they point it out when it literally happened in The War Within and Dragonflight already

Yea, there's been a bit of resolving conflict in ways that don't totally feel earned. I hope that wouldn't entirely be the case for Quel'thalas, but I would at least hope for Lor'themar's regency to end and someone gain the crown. My gut says there will be an Elven council. Everyone gets councils.

But you're right, there's almost too much resolve that makes things feel stagnant. Everyone is happy except for the obvious villains.

[Nibelheimy]

Surely nobody actually expects them to take void elves and blood elves off of the character select screen, and replace them with high elves?

It's just subraces. That's all it is. A more in depth, remade character customisation. You click high elf, then have a drop down of varied high elf subraces. With their own allegiances, racials and customisations.

[milkmustache]

Surely nobody actually expects them to take void elves and blood elves off of the character select screen, and replace them with high elves?

It's just subraces. That's all it is. A more in depth, remade character customisation. You click high elf, then have a drop down of varied high elf subraces. With their own allegiances, racials and customisations.

Agreed, although I'd argue instead of "High Elf" it should be "Thalassian Elf".

[Enrif]

Main city is in Zul'Aman, Silvermoon is an enemy hub
All playable elf races made neutral like Pandaren
SoD Styled specs (Healing Mage, Tank Rogue, Tank Shaman) plus Tank Priest, and Healing Warlocks
Launch zones are Quel'thalas, Zul'Aman, Plaguelands, and Nendis
Housing coming before launch, on launch Midnight is adding an additional neighborhood in Quel'thalas
Archeology rework to tie in with secrets/puzzles

this seems a bit too tame. Plaguelands won't be part of Midnight. Nendis was a port city on Kalimdor (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Nendis).

SoD Style specs? And how? If you would have tied it to the hero talents, it would be more plausible.

[Nibelheimy]

Agreed, although I'd argue instead of "High Elf" it should be "Thalassian Elf".

I do agree with that. I want them to make actual high elves playable this way. I know it's controversial but at this stage they might as well.

[Makorus]

I do agree with that. I want them to make actual high elves playable this way. I know it's controversial but at this stage they might as well.

I mean, honestly, at this point, Void Elves and Blood Elves might as well be the same race.

The only issue will be racials.

[Darkarath]

I think that we can safely discard any leak that talks about adding new specs for existing classes. If Void DH is a thing, it would come before Midnight.

The only new spec added for an existing class was Augmentation Evoker. Blizzard is not going to suddenly add 3 or 4 new specs, especially with Hero Talents.

[Hitei]

this seems a bit too tame. Plaguelands won't be part of Midnight. Nendis was a port city on Kalimdor (https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Nendis).

SoD Style specs? And how? If you would have tied it to the hero talents, it would be more plausible.

They likely just mean specs in the style of "things this class normally doesn't do" like how SoD mages can heal and rogues can tank. That said, tanking priests and healing warlocks both stand out as meme player fan concept rather than an actually likely inclusion.

Also I still think people are setting themselves up for disappointment by thinking Midnight is gonna drop with a secret third neighborhood. Consider how invested they are in neighborhoods as a persistent social experience, the last thing they're going to want to do is release housing and then ~2 months later completely disrupt every neighborhood by introducing a whole other one that has huge chunks of people moving out of the existing two and throws existing privatehoods into dissaray because now people have to have the discussion of are they relocating or dissolving or what.

Archaeology was already reworked to secrets and puzzles. That was the entire point of the DF digs and secrets of Azeroth, that it didn't work well as profession so they just switched to doing find-y stuff as more event type things.

Also, lmao. Can you imagine the absolute backlash of an expansion that includes both SMC and Stratholme and instead makes the main city a ZA troll hub.

[Makorus]

You can disregard most leaks talking about adding "SOD specs like Heal Mage" because SOD Heal Mage is just Disc Priest.

[Holdodlig]

You can disregard most leaks talking about adding "SOD specs like Heal Mage" because SOD Heal Mage is just Disc Priest.

Tbh it would be fine to have spec that works on existing pattern as long as the global toolkit is different. If it pushes more people to play healer it can't be that bad.

[Khaza-R]

Surely nobody actually expects them to take void elves and blood elves off of the character select screen, and replace them with high elves?

It's just subraces. That's all it is. A more in depth, remade character customisation. You click high elf, then have a drop down of varied high elf subraces. With their own allegiances, racials and customisations.

Easiest solution in my opinion is to just allow people to change their racial tag as an RP feature

So Blood Elves and Void Elves can select High Elf
Dwarves can select Wildhammer or Bronzebeard
Trolls can select Jungle, Sand, or Dark, etc

At the same time though, I don't think they'll do this. Given how prominent elves are going to be this expansion, I find it unlikely they aren't going to receive a slew of new customizations to make them feel new and shiny as the expansions central race. Same goes for Forest Trolls. They likely are getting a new model. I wouldn't be surprised if they just take the lazy route and just add them both as ARs since the work is already done like Earthen in TWW.

[Hearthfinder]

Agreed, although I'd argue instead of "High Elf" it should be "Thalassian Elf".

Hmm, but Thalassian is "of Quel'Thalas". A nationality.

It would kind of be like saying "Stormwindian" or "Gilnean". Not opposed to it, but it breaks with convention a bit.

In my opinion it would be for the best if they landed on a few core races:

- Human
- Dwarf
- Orc
- Tauren
- Troll

Etc.

Once you've selected one of those, you're presented with a "sub-race" choice (could be based on culture, politics, magical affliction, and so on).

Finally, you select faction (Horde or Alliance for now, but ideally more options in the future).

1. I choose Dwarf.

2. I choose Wildhammer.

3. I choose Alliance.

[Makorus]

Hmm, but Thalassian is "of Quel'Thalas". A nationality.

It would kind of be like saying "Stormwindian" or "Gilnean". Not opposed to it, but it breaks with convention a bit.

In my opinion it would be for the best if they landed on a few core races:

- Human
- Dwarf
- Orc
- Tauren
- Troll

Etc.

Once you've selected one of those, you're presented with a "sub-race" choice (could be based on culture, politics, magical affliction, and so on).

Finally, you select faction (Horde or Alliance for now, but ideally more options in the future).

1. I choose Dwarf.

2. I choose Wildhammer.

3. I choose Alliance.

Or... Kul'tiran?

[Joshuaj]

Dimensius's broken world visuals were shown to me on Discord, and it's literally Dimensius blowing up a planet and throwing its fragments at us. Like, it shows the planet being destroyed and everything...

Us battling Sargeras in TLT is DEFINITELY possible.

[Hearthfinder]

Or... Kul'tiran?

Hmm, that's a good point. I guess they already do what feels best for each individual race.

I do think your average "High Elf fanboy" would prefer to be called High Elf, though. It seems like the character needs to check all of the boxes, from the eye and hair colours to the available classes and the name.

I'd be happy either way, though.

Maybe Belore'dorei will become a thing given all the focus on fire and the light in Midnight, or simply Quel'dorei?

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Dimensius's broken world visuals were shown to me on Discord, and it's literally Dimensius blowing up a planet and throwing its fragments at us. Like, it shows the planet being destroyed and everything...

Us battling Sargeras in TLT is DEFINITELY possible.

That's exciting, although I still wonder if Sargeras could end up being the last Titan?

I think back of the time when he encountered the worldsoul and was "enraptured," for some reason:

Tome of Blighted Implements

The Scepter of Sargeras is known for the gleaming jewel that adorns its apex. Many theorize that it represents Sargeras's baleful eye, which caught only a glimpse of Azeroth before the fallen titan was ripped back to the Twisting Nether. But the truth is far different.

Soon after the War of the Ancients, Sargeras had a vision: the Well of Eternity imploded once again, but this time, it dragged him down to the very core of Azeroth. He was there for only an instant, but in that moment, he saw Azeroth's slumbering world-soul--and in that moment, the world-soul opened one eye and gazed at the Dark Titan. He was enraptured.

Since then, the eye of Azeroth's world-soul has not been far from his thoughts. He commanded the eredar who forged the scepter to crown it with that lone, wondrous orb. Next to it, the eredar placed two nathrezim wings, a testament to Sargeras's conception of the world-soul: corrupted, demonic, and most importantly, his.

Enraptured means: give intense pleasure or joy to.

But considering he still considered the worldsoul to be corrupted, could it be that he felt an obligation to protect it by destroying everyone that, in his view, are causing the corruption?

[Cheezits]

The reason the Worgen reclamation and Forsaken beef squashing storyline was shit was because it was given to a B team on a dimestore budget, which was probably stretched even thinner by the Saga model. Same reason Arathi story is undercooked. Not enough time in the oven.

The Infinite one doesn't actually feel like an ending- especially with what we know about the story shift that happened (Murozond being heavily connected to Amanthul and likely going crazy from the conspiracy)

If High, Blood and Void reunite it will likely be a good story as it is the meat and potatoes of the core launch experience. Not something shat out for a minor patch.