The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Exactly this; the K'areshi absolutely managed to flee in space. They stayed imprisoned melting under radiation and never considered getting out? Unless that was also a tech they got from Xal. By TBC they can manage dimensional travel with apparent ease. They somehow can teleport an entire city in and out of a different plane of existence.

Well the radiation is explained in the book- it was an accident that Locus-Walker didn't take into account. He thought the void would just power the domes forever, and it did, but it also made it so powerful it caused arcane radiation by mistake.

[Nymrohd]

Well the radiation is explained in the book- it was an accident that Locus-Walker didn't take into account. He thought the void would just power the domes forever, and it did, but it also made it so powerful it caused arcane radiation by mistake.

Sure but the way he tells the story, they were just trying to wait out Dimensius while dying.

[Hitei]

They were slowly wasting away trapped in a cage of their own making. So I don't know, maybe getting away from that.

This logic can be applied to every conflict, natural disaster, or humanitarian crisis that has ever happened in the history of the human species. People do not typically leave except as an absolute last resort.

Even without lifelong oaths.

[Alanar]

Surely nobody actually expects them to take void elves and blood elves off of the character select screen, and replace them with high elves?

It's just subraces. That's all it is. A more in depth, remade character customisation. You click high elf, then have a drop down of varied high elf subraces. With their own allegiances, racials and customisations.

"If" we need to think of a way, this is kinda the only solution. It seems many are repeating this exact same thing over last month or so.

I am saying, if, because who knows if blizz ever considered this or is even thinking about merging or any ideas from here. I dont want to treat it, in away that IT'S happening, so much is uncertain.

[Cheezits]

"If" we need to think of a way, this is kinda the only solution. It seems many are repeating this exact same thing over last month or so.

I am saying, if, because who knows if blizz ever considered this or is even thinking about merging or any ideas from here. I dont want to treat it, in away that IT'S happening, so much is uncertain.

It's uncertain, but the fact they are hammering in that the High Elves will be popular means that they will likely do some kind of subrace system, as they are a nightmare to make playable otherwise.

[Magistrate]

Surely nobody actually expects them to take void elves and blood elves off of the character select screen, and replace them with high elves?

It's just subraces. That's all it is. A more in depth, remade character customisation. You click high elf, then have a drop down of varied high elf subraces. With their own allegiances, racials and customisations.

The funny thing is that a decade ago EVERYONE described exactly what they wanted--sub races. Instead, we got allied races and it created all of these long-term customization, world building, and lore nightmares.

I really hope this is what they do. Cleanest solution that also doesn't make anyone lose anything.

[Xilurm]

It's uncertain, but the fact they are hammering in that the High Elves will be popular means that they will likely do some kind of subrace system, as they are a nightmare to make playable otherwise.

If this wouldn't be the perfect opportunity for a revamped starting zone for the High Elves then I wouldn't know when it would be.

Like imagine selecting High Elves and you got the subraces options including Void Elves. Of course that would mean that they'd be neutral. But taking away an Allied Race from the Alliance and a whole Race from the Horde doesn't seem very balanced.

[Eldryth]

Was it addressed in the book why they didn't focus on evacuating the K'areshi vs trying to stay there/kill Dimensius?

Part of me thinks Xal just manipulated LW into thinking he NEEDED to kill Dimensius so she could take over in his stead, of course, but he thought she just wanted to be freed from his service

It was touched on. Locus Walker said that their transformation would make it possible to flee K'aresh, and he only got the idea for that from seeing the later stages of the Wasting. And even his closest ally called it a desperate move. It worked, in the end, but it was a massive risk that they didn't think of until the very end.

And the voice he was listening to- either Xal'atath or the Worldsoul, but I'm pretty sure it was Xal'atath- encouraged it. If Xal'atath was manipulating him at that point, it was to get them to evacuate, not stay. Spoilers from the PTR- Probably leading up to her convincing Locus Walker to sacrifice K'aresh in an attempt to destroy Dimensius, I would assume? Xal'atath wouldn't care about the people there, but I'm sure Locus Walker wouldn't have agreed to her plan if it would kill his people.

[Alanar]

It's uncertain, but the fact they are hammering in that the High Elves will be popular means that they will likely do some kind of subrace system, as they are a nightmare to make playable otherwise.

Idk about the high elf part myself, I still need to be convinced and rather wait for the actual midnight info.

System and gameplaywise, I think an overhauled character select screen is probably going to please a lot of people. If they do it, I hope this will include a drop down menu on core races or something along those lines to fill in the subraces of that core race. This would help create a lot of space in there.

[milkmustache]

If this wouldn't be the perfect opportunity for a revamped starting zone for the High Elves then I wouldn't know when it would be.

Like imagine selecting High Elves and you got the subraces options including Void Elves. Of course that would mean that they'd be neutral. But taking away an Allied Race from the Alliance and a whole Race from the Horde doesn't seem very balanced.

Wait, I'm a little confused-- why would they be neutral? For the record, I'm a big supporter in the character customization overhaul idea and introducing subraces. I imagined that "Thalassian Elf" would be the main race with Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei being the selections. Quel'dorei and Ren'dorei limited to Alliance, Sin'dorei to Horde.

System and gameplaywise, I think an overhauled character select screen is probably going to please a lot of people. If they do it, I hope this will include a drop down menu on core races or something along those lines to fill in the subraces of that core race. This would help create a lot of space in there.

Agreed. I think it'd go over well especially with a potential of opening up all non-hero classes to all races. We'd see customization similar to DND levels.

The recent datamined strings implying special characters and surnames for player characters feel like a hint when paired with the obvious choices of new elf, new troll and maybe even new draenei (broken) allied races in Midnight. It's just all lined up to be a great opportunity to address this.

[Xilurm]

Wait, I'm a little confused-- why would they be neutral? For the record, I'm a big supporter in the character customization overhaul idea and introducing subraces. I imagined that "Thalassian Elf" would be the main race with Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei being the selections. Quel'dorei and Ren'dorei limited to Alliance, Sin'dorei to Horde.

I think it might confuse people if they choose a race then choose a subrace of that race but they end up being different instead of just being different "cosmetic" options with added lore.

[Nibelheimy]

If this wouldn't be the perfect opportunity for a revamped starting zone for the High Elves then I wouldn't know when it would be.

Like imagine selecting High Elves and you got the subraces options including Void Elves. Of course that would mean that they'd be neutral. But taking away an Allied Race from the Alliance and a whole Race from the Horde doesn't seem very balanced.

I see it more as selecting High elf. Sin'dorei who are Horde, Ren'dorei who are Alliance and then Quel'dorei who are neutral. This system doesn't have to take anything away.

I imagine Earthen will have their own race. That way they could theoretically add iron dwarves/iron Vry'kul/ proper Mechagnomes in the future.

Dwarves can have the three clans, humans can have their respective kingdoms (with all body types available to all as others have mentioned. Live your skinny kul'tiran dreams)

Trolls can have their own clans, undead could have an elve and Nathanos like option (which should have never ever been just a customisation)

Draenei can have regular, light-forged, eredar, broken.

And so on..

Theoretically they can just continue adding, saving new races to be proper new additions. There could then be if they so wished, an alliance troll clan (God forbid please no).

The character select screen used to have, and should have better descriptions on what races and factions are, and it truthfully needs it. Subraces are a way of cleaning things up, but also expanding options. It does both.

[Syegfryed]

Wait, I'm a little confused-- why would they be neutral? For the record, I'm a big supporter in the character customization overhaul idea and introducing subraces. I imagined that "Thalassian Elf" would be the main race with Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei being the selections. Quel'dorei and Ren'dorei limited to Alliance, Sin'dorei to Horde.

sin'dorei and quel'dorei are the exact same race, no difference whatsoever besides the name, its like saying "tauren" is the main race, and choosing between grimtotem, bloodhoof, Cliffwalke and runetotem, bunch of different tribes of the same race

[Xilurm]

My biggest hope is that all this pays off and that we aren't hyping up ourselves for a massive disappointing come August 20th.

[Nibelheimy]

sin'dorei and quel'dorei are the exact same race, no difference whatsoever besides the name, its like saying "tauren" is the main race, and choosing between grimtotem, bloodhoof, Cliffwalke and runetotem, bunch of different tribes of the same race

Exactly. That's why you'd select the 'race' and then choose a 'sub-race'. If there's no difference, it wouldn't be so massively requested. It adds opportunity for different racials, different customisations. It's opportunity for blizzard to farm altoholics. It takes nothing away, and only gives and expands. Its a no brainer.

[Syegfryed]

Exactly. That's why you'd select the 'race' and then choose a 'sub-race'. If there's no difference, it wouldn't be so massively requested. It adds opportunity for different racials, different customisations. It's opportunity for blizzard to farm altoholics. It takes nothing away, and only gives and expands. Its a no brainer.

Subrace inherently states there is a difference.

A high elf and a blood have would not have any different racials or customization because they are the exact same race, just like a grimtotem and a runetotem tauren would not

[Nibelheimy]

Subrace inherently states there is a difference.

A high elf and a blood have would not have any different racials or customization because they are the exact same race, just like a grimtotem and a runetotem tauren would not

You're over analysing the word. They can call it whatever they like. But 'sub-race' is something the general populace understands in relation to the games races. Dark iron Dwarves are a separate clan of Dwarves from Bronze beard and Wildhammer, but one gets unique racials, and the other does not.

They are the same race are they not? Are void elves not High elves now? Are Mag'har not Orcs? Mechagnomes not gnomes? Zandalari not Trolls? Highmountain not Tauren?

I don't know why people draw an imaginary line at High Elves, the single most requested 'sub-race' the game has ever had. That line, if it ever existed, has long been crossed. With many other races.

So as an example, if Midnight releases with Valeera finding a recluse clan of High elves who left Quel'thalas when Kael took over (making them older in existence than void elves) but they have Moose antlers because they live near a moonwell, that's enough for you to make them a sub-race?

[Alanar]

Wait, I'm a little confused-- why would they be neutral? For the record, I'm a big supporter in the character customization overhaul idea and introducing subraces. I imagined that "Thalassian Elf" would be the main race with Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei and Ren'dorei being the selections. Quel'dorei and Ren'dorei limited to Alliance, Sin'dorei to Horde.



Agreed. I think it'd go over well especially with a potential of opening up all non-hero classes to all races. We'd see customization similar to DND levels.

The recent datamined strings implying special characters and surnames for player characters feel like a hint when paired with the obvious choices of new elf, new troll and maybe even new draenei (broken) allied races in Midnight. It's just all lined up to be a great opportunity to address this.

Imo the most obvious take if we choose this way, would be that when selecting high elf, it will simply be an option for both horde or alliance. Its already there right now. The horde will choose High elf -> blood elf. The alliance High elf ->void elf.

The most important thing here is that nothing changes in the sense of losing something. What is there right now will just all fall under this new character selection screen. Some races will shift under core races etc. What it also does, is that it helps to create space for more easily.

On a side note, I would urge them, to take a good look at not making it confusing. Add bits of lore text and clear ui to select different subraces to make things clear.

I hope you are right that this gets addressed in midnight. They did say they would open most if not all classes for all races eventually. Druids and pala costs the most time, because of their forms. But this is a while ago.

[Syegfryed]

You're over analysing the word. They can call it whatever they like. But 'sub-race' is something the general populace understands in relation to the games races. Dark iron Dwarves are a separate clan of Dwarves from Bronze beard and Wildhammer, but one gets unique racials, and the other does not.

ITs not that im "over analysing the word" y'all are just using wrong.

A stormwind human and a strongrade human are not subraces of humans, they would not have unique racials. A kultiran is, and they clearly are physicall different.

They are the same race are they not? Are void elves not High elves now? Are Mag'har not Orcs? Mechagnomes not gnomes? Zandalari not Trolls? Highmountain not Tauren?

You are citing actual subraces and comparing with one that isnt a subrace.

So as exame, if Midnight releases with Valeera finds a recluse clan of High elves who left Quel'thalas when Kael took over (making them older in existence than void elves) but they have Moose antlers because they live near a moonwell, that's enough for you to make them a sub-race?

If they are changed by moonwell energies that would inherently make then a new race/subrace, meaning it would make sense to have differences yes, that is literally how all of the allied races work with no exception.

[Alanar]

I see it more as selecting High elf. Sin'dorei who are Horde, Ren'dorei who are Alliance and then Quel'dorei who are neutral. This system doesn't have to take anything away.
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I missed this one, but yes agreed I had the same idea about it. Why the hassle with neutral, when we already have it right now.

Most important part is that is should not take anything away. This should be a solution and opportunity and not something that completely changes races with faction or any nonsense. This should only enhance what is there and potentially more.