The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Ogres is the only fan-favorite request I think has a chance of never happening, from them needing a new model entirely to having a kind of basic theme to being so big to being unconventionally attractive/cool.

I like them a lot, but, yeah. Broken at least can borrow rigs and have space themes, Naga have a few gimmicks that make them more interesting than a basic humanoid. Ogres not so much. Again I'm aware of the Gorian Empire and they could lean into that a bit if they wanted to flesh them out, but as they are now...

[Hitei]

For the record, I think its entirely possible that High Elves get added in Midnight. But my take is that would be just because they did the work creating customizations for NPCs and they can get value added out of making and AR from like Earthen.

Ironically I don't think popularity plays a huge factor into what they decide to make as ARs. Or else we probably wouldn't have gotten like 1/2 of the ones they added in BfA and we would of never seen Earthen. Especially since I've never seen a single request to make them playable in all my years of playing WoW.

They've been requested, they're just relatively minor in popularity, like dragonkin, or mechagnomes.

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Ogres is the only fan-favorite request I think has a chance of never happening, from them needing a new model entirely

What does that have to do with anything?

[Cheezits]

What does that have to do with anything?

The fact that most of these

- Race: Ogre
- Race: High Elf
- Race: Forest Troll
- Race: Ethereal
- Race: Wildhammer Dwarf (proper ones)
- Race: Naga
- Race: Vrykul
- Class: Tinker
- Class: Necromancer

Besides Ogres (and Wildhammer v2, it's tattoos) have a very likely chance of happening in the next two expansions.

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Ironically I don't think popularity plays a huge factor into what they decide to make as ARs. Or else we probably wouldn't have gotten like 1/2 of the ones they added in BfA and we would of never seen Earthen. Especially since I've never seen a single request to make them playable in all my years of playing WoW.

Earthen happened because their assets were finished as they are the main NPC race. Likely not because of requests.

I think the main reason Blizzard hasn't done many fully-fleshed out new races from Mists to DF (not counting Kul Tirans in this as it is a headache to discuss) is because "it took too much development time" from what they were focusing on in those other expansions. Regardless if that was a good choice or not.

[Hitei]

The fact that most of these



Besides Ogres (and Wildhammer v2, it's tattoos) have a very likely chance of happening in the next two expansions.

Putting aside that High elves aren't even tattoos, they are just a rep. What does "needing a new model entirely" have to do with anything about their viability? We got a race with a new model last expansion and Ethereal and Naga would both involve new models.

[Khaza-R]

Ogres is the only fan-favorite request I think has a chance of never happening, from them needing a new model entirely to having a kind of basic theme to being so big to being unconventionally attractive/cool.

I like them a lot, but, yeah. Broken at least can borrow rigs and have space themes, Naga have a few gimmicks that make them more interesting than a basic humanoid. Ogres not so much. Again I'm aware of the Gorian Empire and they could lean into that a bit if they wanted to flesh them out, but as they are now...

I'll never understand people requesting Broken. Like Ogres at least have a whole comedic element to them most races don't. That in itself is a reason to add them.

But Broken? They legit just devolved Draenei who have nothing special about them. Metzen really fucked them over with his TBC retcons.

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Earthen happened because their assets were finished as they are the main NPC race. Likely not because of requests.

I think the main reason Blizzard hasn't done many fully-fleshed out new races from Mists to DF (not counting Kul Tirans in this as it is a headache to discuss) is because "it took too much development time" from what they were focusing on in those other expansions. Regardless if that was a good choice or not.

Agreed, that was my point. Same reason why I think High Elves and Forest Trolls are very plausible for Midnight even if they aren't particularly interesting additions

[Hitei]

I'll never understand people requesting Broken. Like Ogres at least have a whole comedic element to them most races don't. That in itself is a reason to add them.

But Broken? They legit just devolved Draenei who have nothing special about them. Metzen really fucked them over with his TBC retcons.

Broken are significantly more interesting than Draenei as a race. The mistake here was having the undevolved small eredar type be playable when it was a good opportunity to give the Alliance a more monstrous race while the Horde were getting a more classy one.

Agreed, that was my point. Same reason why I think High Elves and Forest Trolls are very plausible for Midnight even if they aren't particularly interesting additions

They made an entirely new type of Nerubian this expansion that is basically purpose built for being playable, wearing armor, riding mounts, etc. And we still didn't get them. Being updated is a pretty significant gap from "well we'll just make them playable".

[Khaza-R]

Broken are significantly more interesting than Draenei as a race. The mistake here was having the undevolved small eredar type be playable when it was a good opportunity to give the Alliance a more monstrous race while the Horde were getting a more classy one.

I agree. I wish we would of gotten the TFT version of them. I think the whole mistake was linking them to Eredar at all. Like it was so unnecessary and just devalued them being some harden race who survived the harsh apocalyptic world of Outland.

If they wanted to just make Eredar playable they could of come up with any explanation.

[Hitei]

I agree. I wish we would of gotten the TFT version of them. I think the whole mistake was linking them to Eredar at all. Like it was so unnecessary and just devalued them being some harden race who survived the harsh apocalyptic world of Outland.

If they wanted to just make Eredar playable they could of come up with any explanation.

Yeah, the entire retcon was stupid. BC and Wrath writing was just generally terrible. But just as an isolated examination of adding a playable race, I think Broken are not a bad option. I think they still have more merit than a third Blood Elf copy or a third troll race.

[Merryck]

Some people can't even fathom that others would like to play a "conventionally unattractive" race. These people only play Elves. And they're everywhere.

[Joshuaj]

I wanna play a Mo'arg, Antaen, or proper winged Man'ari.

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Quick question: So...wtf are the Antaen? The files call them "Argus Dreadlords", but I don't like the idea of them being Dreadlords, and idk if I want them to be native to the Nether either. Actually, I want them to be the last remaining members of Kerxan.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean subraces does seem like something that would resolve a lot of current issues and it'd be a nice way to make Blizzard get their "way" since technically High Elves wouldn't be a race at that point. I definitely am interested and all-in on the subrace structuring of Races in WoW at this point and especially if additional races were or are planned.

[Viridiel]

Here's a question- would Amani be a new race, or an AR? As they technically use different animations (the men do at least) and I think the women will be remodeled in Midnight to match.

Pleeeeeease give me female trolls from beta as female Amani trolls. I'm so tired of female trolls all being the same while the males get unique appearances.

[Porcos Voadores]

ok, from what i saw, there is not enough difference in highelfs for the elftards to be asking them as a playable race. or they will do some earthen shit out of then, like making then 25% bigger and thast it ? bc eye color and hair color is already there.

they certainly will have a big role in midnight, but if an elf sub race is going to make the cut is more probable to be the haranir to be the missing link between elfs and amani trolls, that is how i think they will achieve "peace"

[Fiercelord]

Is it possible that I keep seeing people in this thread mentioning Wildhammer Dwarves as an Allied Race? Be fr... If anything, they could introduce some sub-race customization to allow players to choose the lore for their new/existing characters and introduce different (or same in other visuals?) racials.

I can see that happening with the Void Elves. Maybe if you choose a Darkfallen elf or High Elf, instead of Entropic Embrace, it could be called differently and look differently, but do the same 5% dmg increase.

Tbh, I just want Shadowlands treatment for the rest of Allied races and give us some voidy customization. I want the EE skin/hair color.

[Paula Deen]

Has there been any mounts from the PTR that point to a Ultimate edition mount for midnight?

I know I am late, but no. Whatever it is will be encrypted unless they REALLY mess up.

[Cheezits]

There's probably something in the files pointing to the Midnight mount but the dataminers, including the parrot, are being quiet out of politeness.

[Hitei]

I know I am late, but no. Whatever it is will be encrypted unless they REALLY mess up.

Not necessarily all of it

But 12.0 and 13.0 are sort of weird cases because like... We had the Algari Stormrider as a name quite a bit before TWW announcement, but if we had the exact same circumstance now, we'd almost certainly be getting something like "Thalassian Broadwing", which doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

[Paula Deen]

Not necessarily all of it

But 12.0 and 13.0 are sort of weird cases because like... We had the Algari Stormrider as a name quite a bit before TWW announcement, but if we had the exact same circumstance now, we'd almost certainly be getting something like "Thalassian Broadwing", which doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

I think the Trading Post also acts as a bit of a conundrum too. Most things people could think of would just be thrown out as Trading Post Items.

[Cheezits]

Not to mention that if the Herald mount is tied to any expansion, it's probably TLT due to Un'goro's proximity to the sword and my conspiracy theory that the Rootlands are under Un'goro instead of Sholozar.

They're working on so many assets for two different expansions now, at the same time, we don't know where anything may be from. And considering the Rootlands were cut, the gigacroc could've even been from TWW early devlopment.

[Hitei]

Actually, nearly all of our avenues of actual leakage from the past ~10 years are pretty subdued this time around.

If we got an art/printing leak like SL/DF, it would just give us... the Logo we already have or maybe a full look at that void attacking SMC key art or other artwork of characters in Quel'thalas. Heavily implied location bits like the Khaz Algar/Algari stuff we got pre-TWW would just tell us we're going to Quel'thalas.

Product leaks a la Shadowlands would, at best, give us an indication of who else besides Xal and Alleria are front and center.

To actually get real big exciting stuff, we'd sort of need the old style of leak (feature lists and stuff), which we haven't had for the past 4 expansions. I think best case scenario (from a leaking point of view), the CE mount is like, plague or naga related and soft confirms that those things have at least a zone/minor role.

Not to mention that if the Herald mount is tied to any expansion, it's probably TLT due to Un'goro's proximity to the sword and my conspiracy theory that the Rootlands are under Un'goro instead of Sholozar.

As said before, the flavor text on mounts means basically nothing. The Sylverian Dreamer was an SL mount we got before SL but it talked about magic paintings from Dalaran. We got a manasaber ahead of Legion but it was described as being related to the nether plane.

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If we're getting preorders opening with the Midnight reveal at gamescom, then I imagine the stuff is already in the files, or will be in the next couple builds.