The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

To be fair, their invasion-fleet for Renilash is already there; At Hallowfall. I also think we already got enough secondary/tertiary enemies for Midnight. The primal forces of the Light might also need to be represented in the patch cycle, and with the Last Titan coming after Midnight, it's probably too soon to let the Arathi invade.

I'd be happier with A'dal showing up with Tempest Keep.

[Makorus]

I do think an Arathi Empire fleet arriving at Quel'thalas during Midnight is not impossible. I would indeed hope it is nothing we get to see outside of a dedicated expansion for it.

I don't really see how that would make sense tbf.

The Arathi we meet in Hallowfall are already the elite strike team that was supposed to fight in Renilash, so surely their best warriors, and there's nothing indicating to the Emperor that he would have to send more seeing how he got Visions(TM).

[Nymrohd]

I don't really see how that would make sense tbf.

The Arathi we meet in Hallowfall are already the elite strike team that was supposed to fight in Renilash, so surely their best warriors, and there's nothing indicating to the Emperor that he would have to send more seeing how he got Visions(TM).

I am not sure they are the elite strike team tbh. I think they are people who were not as fanatically devoted to the empire as the Emperor's court would want and they got rid of them using the prophecy as an excuse. Kind of like Zul's Golden Fleet.

[Enrif]

Iridikron is not a snake.

Dragons are often called serpents, especially with connections to eastern dragons which are more snake like.

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OMG!!! Guys, what if they focus every patch/x.0 on a single race/culture for the whole saga??

11.0 - Earthen (a bit of Nerubeans if I may add)
11.1 - Goblins
11.2 - Kareshi (Ethereals)

12.0 - Blood Elves/Elves

12.1 - Trolls for obvious proximity
12.2 - Draenei because light versus void final battle

[Holdodlig]

OMG!!! Guys, what if they focus every patch/x.0 on a single race/culture for the whole saga??

11.0 - Earthen (a bit of Nerubeans if I may add)
11.1 - Goblins
11.2 - Kareshi (Ethereals)

12.0 - Blood Elves/Elves

Gotta disagree with you here even if there's obviously a pattern. TWW also had Arathis and Kobolds and wasn't focused on a specific race.

[Lady Atia]

I am not so sure. I dont think DF S4 did too hot. If I was a betting man I would say we get no S4. We get the housing update and remix.

Yeah, and legion remix will have a bunch of mythic raids instead of just SoO that we can chew through (initially, before everyone is OP). Meanwhile, Remix M+ can be a fun alternative to a propper M+ season aswell. In theory, only PvP players are missing out but than again, I think the majority would rather take a lil bit longer, inflated season over two short seasons that only reward 0,1% off all players anyways. Or the new "creepy gamemode" is pvp focused again like Plunderstorm was.

Na, my money is on January/February release date for Midnight, no season 4 and instead the focus is on Housing and Remix.

You could argue that people "have to level a new character for legion remix", but than again, the normal season 3 would still be running alongside it anyways.

[Dvalin]

I am not sure they are the elite strike team tbh. I think they are people who were not as fanatically devoted to the empire as the Emperor's court would want and they got rid of them using the prophecy as an excuse. Kind of like Zul's Golden Fleet.

Everything indicates they're very loyal to the Empire and also quite elite. The thing you're bringing up would be a retcon. Though I do agree it'd be cool if A'dal shows up.

We need more Naaru lore come Midnight.

[Limayria]

The Arathi we know got flung through time and are gonna get major culture shock meeting the fleet sent to renilash causing them to have a major identity crisis after meeting the OG Arathi in 11.1.5 and then meeting the people from their former homeland and fitting in with neither

[Makorus]

I am not sure they are the elite strike team tbh. I think they are people who were not as fanatically devoted to the empire as the Emperor's court would want and they got rid of them using the prophecy as an excuse. Kind of like Zul's Golden Fleet.

Yeah, I was thinking about that and I feel like that is also a good way to tackle that character. The whole "Vision" thing does seem incredible convenient, and while he probably did have some visions (He knew about Beledar, for example), I don't really think it's well-intentioned (plus, he is obviously going to be a villain, so that angle also makes sense).

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The Arathi we know got flung through time and are gonna get major culture shock meeting the fleet sent to renilash causing them to have a major identity crisis after meeting the OG Arathi in 11.1.5 and then meeting the people from their former homeland and fitting in with neither

They didn't get "flung through time", only teleported to what is now known as Hallowfall. The Emperor only sent the expedition off just after TBC, start of Wrath.

[Limayria]

Yeah, I was thinking about that and I feel like that is also a good way to tackle that character. The whole "Vision" thing does seem incredible convenient, and while he probably did have some visions (He knew about Beledar, for example), I don't really think it's well-intentioned (plus, he is obviously going to be a villain, so that angle also makes sense).

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They didn't get "flung through time", only teleported to what is now known as Hallowfall. The Emperor only sent the expedition off just after TBC, start of Wrath.

Is there an explicit source of when they got sent off that isn't just "we've been here for 15 years" (or whatever it was idr the exact number) the hallowfall Arathi would have no way to know if that flash teleported them both to hallowfall and forward or backward in time

[Makorus]

Is there an explicit source of when they got sent off that isn't just "we've been here for 15 years" (or whatever it was idr the exact number) the hallowfall Arathi would have no way to know if that flash teleported them both to hallowfall and forward or backward in time

Hmm, I suppose you are right, all it does say is

I was a mere apprentice when we set out, over a decade ago. My masters were core to the mission. They were to set up portals back home whenever we arrived at our destination. That way, we'd have a steady flow of supplies and reinforcements.

which yeah, to them could be a decade, but they've never left their Arathi Empire and obviously have no contact with the main Empire either, so they could have been transported forwards or even backwards but they have no concept of Azeroth so they really don't know.

Interestingly enough, it was also changed from "15 years ago" to "over a decade ago".

[Dvalin]

They didn't timetravel. The absence of evidence on this is evidence enough.

[Cheezits]

I can see the original idea being that they time travelled without knowing, so that when they go back the empire is different/antagonistic.

But I think there were some clues that the fleet was sent out on purpose/to die for whatever reason, meaning they could've been a selection of the Emperor's (or someone else's, like a Zul type) enemies. So when they go back they'll get a chilly reception anyway. Maybe they pivoted to this to make their story more tragic and the Emperor more of a villain/developed character.

[Dvalin]

I can see the original idea being that they time travelled without knowing, so that when they go back the empire is different/antagonistic.

But I think there were some clues that the fleet was sent out on purpose/to die for whatever reason, meaning they could've been a selection of the Emperor's (or someone else's, like a Zul type) enemies. So when they go back they'll get a chilly reception anyway. Maybe they pivoted to this to make their story more tragic and the Emperor more of a villain/developed character.

Again, the absence of evidence is evidence on itself. We know what we know: they've been sent to stop Renilash, and they are basically an enormous, and elite fleet while also being very loyal to the Emperor (apart from the cultists whom have given up hope). General Steelstrike was also an important and renown figure, as we learn throughout the quests. She also quelled unrest in an Imperial province.

Could this change in the future? Maybe. But we have no clue whatsoever. And, yes, the Arathi we met will have changed because they saw the broader world. That's a given.

[Nymrohd]

Again, the absence of evidence is evidence on itself. We know what we know: they've been sent to stop Renilash, and they are basically an enormous, and elite fleet while also being very loyal to the Emperor (apart from the cultists whom have given up hope). General Steelstrike was also an important and renown figure, as we learn throughout the quests. She also quelled unrest in an Imperial province.

Could this change in the future? Maybe. But we have no clue whatsoever. And, yes, the Arathi we met will have changed because they saw the broader world. That's a given.

I do think there was something more that led me to this train of thought but I cannot search for it right now. Will get back to it later.

[Kiivar86]

From what I recall, some folks thought the fleet being enveloped in yellow light was a sign of being transported through time.

Never minding that the Light has a yellow tint to it too. And they were teleported to Hallowfall where the Beledar is and is radiating Light.

[Makorus]

Again, the absence of evidence is evidence on itself. We know what we know: they've been sent to stop Renilash, and they are basically an enormous, and elite fleet while also being very loyal to the Emperor (apart from the cultists whom have given up hope). General Steelstrike was also an important and renown figure, as we learn throughout the quests. She also quelled unrest in an Imperial province.

Could this change in the future? Maybe. But we have no clue whatsoever. And, yes, the Arathi we met will have changed because they saw the broader world. That's a given.

When people are speculating in the speculation thread:

There was the fact that the timeline before release just didn't make any sense, we've had Millions of conflicting years, like the expeditions leaving 15 years ago, but also the Arathi fighting in Hallowfall for centuries.

[Dvalin]

When people are speculating in the speculation thread:

There was the fact that the timeline before release just didn't make any sense, we've had Millions of conflicting years, like the expeditions leaving 15 years ago, but also the Arathi fighting in Hallowfall for centuries.

Oh I don't mind speculation, at all. But some are headcanoning it, like it's actually the truth.

[Makorus]

Oh I don't mind speculation, at all. But some are headcanoning it, like it's actually the truth.

Literally no one said that. I think the fact that it is speculation is implied by the fact that it is posted in the speculation thread.


Don't think we need to preface every bit of speculation with a big, bold red flashing "Speculation"

[Magistrate]

I am not so sure. I dont think DF S4 did too hot. If I was a betting man I would say we get no S4. We get the housing update and remix.

Didn't they say right off the bat there wouldn't be a s4? Perhaps I'm misremembering.

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it's place for smaller stuff like hinted "new spooky game mode".

What is this? This is the first I've heard of this.