The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

it would be really nice if they showed a giant map the size of the EK or KALINDOR but just 2-3 maps was available and they start releasing more and more with coming exp.

The question is, how would that work techwise; what would keep you on one side of the border?
One suggestion I had before the trilogy announcement would be a continent divided by a great wall; you cannot fly over it with some opaque shield bisecting the continent. You get 4 zones at launch with 1 big and 1 small island zone plus an underground or maybe even mountain plateau added as patch content (have the latter be available from the start and populated with max level creatures but no stories available until it is released). Then at the next expansion, the wall effectively is breached and the rest of the continent becomes available.

[Joshuaj]

I do hope y'all are right, but at the same time? An Arathi/Light themed raid located at the Empire's capital does sound kinda cool for a Midnight plotline

[Sondrelk]

I do hope y'all are right, but at the same time? An Arathi/Light themed raid located at the Empire's capital does sound kinda cool for a Midnight plotline

It does. But I think it's better if it's just the Scarlet Crusader or something like that to begin with. The Empire is too big to be bit villains in an expansion about something else. That is what we have the Red Dawn that were built up this patch for.

[milkmustache]

I do hope y'all are right, but at the same time? An Arathi/Light themed raid located at the Empire's capital does sound kinda cool for a Midnight plotline

I get the idea that Midnight has to top TWW, and the TWW had patches that left it's main zone, but I cannot possibly imagine they would do Avaloren in a patch, especially in Midnight. I don't think we'll be leaving EK in Midnight, except for maybe going to the Core if Xal'atath makes her move.

I can see the potential of a Light themed raid in Arathi Highlands or Scarlet Lands with Empire troops making their landfall and bolstering or absorbing the Red Dawn. I think if we're going all out Light/Void though, I'd much prefer to see AU Yrel and her Lightbound somehow make an appearance in a potential antagonistic Light patch.

[Makorus]

They introduced like 5 things that are past the Storming Sea.

No way that we will deal with Arathi in a patch.

[Darkarath]

It would be incredibly stupid to waste the Arathi Empire during Midnight. Furthermore, it would be incredibly stupid to waste the Arathi Empire in one expansion.

Blizzard is selling this vast, incredibly powerful Empire. Their introduction has been a success. I expect Blizzard to build them more during Midnight and even TLT. It would be interesting to see how we get there, though. I don't see us going there for a visit with Faerin, seeing some fanatic behaviour and then starting an uprising. They have to strike us first.

At the very least, I hope that we get two expansions out of the Arathi Empire. But who knows what would happen after the WSS? We are potentially looking at various continents to the west:

- Avaloren, home of Heretics that destroyed the Keepers' expedition thousands of years ago.
- The Arathi Empire, that could span several continents for all we know.
- The West that the Nightsquall Fleet is exploring.
- Also the West that a Green Dragon reached against Odyn's advice thousands of years ago.

Probably some of these continents would be the same. But I believe that it is unlikely that Avaloren and the Arathi Empire are the same place. With what we know right now, it would not make much sense, but who knows what the future will bring? It might also be improbable that what the Nightsquall are looking for are the Arathi Empire or Avaloren, or they would have been destroyed.

With all this potential, where are the revamps for Kalimdor and EK coming? Midnight please surprise us with what we all are dreaming ¡¡

[Nymrohd]

I get the idea that Midnight has to top TWW, and the TWW had patches that left it's main zone, but I cannot possibly imagine they would do Avaloren in a patch, especially in Midnight. I don't think we'll be leaving EK in Midnight, except for maybe going to the Core if Xal'atath makes her move.

I can see the potential of a Light themed raid in Arathi Highlands or Scarlet Lands with Empire troops making their landfall and bolstering or absorbing the Red Dawn. I think if we're going all out Light/Void though, I'd much prefer to see AU Yrel and her Lightbound somehow make an appearance in a potential antagonistic Light patch.

Part of me hopes that there is a naaru vessel that has crashed somewhere beneath Lake Mereldar in an underground zone and it is how Mereldar got in contact with the Naaru and created the Church of the Holy Light. Maybe there is a vessel with five naaru ready to shift into void phase just under Light's Hope Chapel.

[Makorus]

It would be incredibly stupid to waste the Arathi Empire during Midnight. Furthermore, it would be incredibly stupid to waste the Arathi Empire in one expansion.

Blizzard is selling this vast, incredibly powerful Empire. Their introduction has been a success. I expect Blizzard to build them more during Midnight and even TLT. It would be interesting to see how we get there, though. I don't see us going there for a visit with Faerin, seeing some fanatic behaviour and then starting an uprising. They have to strike us first.

At the very least, I hope that we get two expansions out of the Arathi Empire. But who knows what would happen after the WSS? We are potentially looking at various continents to the west:

- Avaloren, home of Heretics that destroyed the Keepers' expedition thousands of years ago.
- The Arathi Empire, that could span several continents for all we know.
- The West that the Nightsquall Fleet is exploring.
- Also the West that a Green Dragon reached against Odyn's advice thousands of years ago.

Probably some of these continents would be the same. But I believe that it is unlikely that Avaloren and the Arathi Empire are the same place. With what we know right now, it would not make much sense, but who knows what the future will bring? It might also be improbable that what the Nightsquall are looking for are the Arathi Empire or Avaloren, or they would have been destroyed.

With all this potential, where are the revamps for Kalimdor and EK coming? Midnight please surprise us with what we all are dreaming ¡¡

It's also very interesting that they pointed out that the Naga are very much a thing past the Storming Sea, which is why I don't think that Azshara will be overly relevant in the WSS.

[milkmustache]

It's also very interesting that they pointed out that the Naga are very much a thing past the Storming Sea, which is why I don't think that Azshara will be overly relevant in the WSS.

I had that same feeling! It struck me as a lot more than a flavor worldbuilding line. Maybe Azshara sends some forces to help Xal'atath, but I don't particularly think she's going to make her gambit alongside Xal?

Neither Azshara nor Xal'atath seem willing to be second in command or have a second in command, and 11.2 shows us Xal'atath making her move to be the big Void bad. I think it'd be a little strange for Azshara to come in and sort of play the Xal'atath role of underling that's plotting to usurp, even though that is common in the Void.

[Joshuaj]

It does. But I think it's better if it's just the Scarlet Crusader or something like that to begin with. The Empire is too big to be bit villains in an expansion about something else. That is what we have the Red Dawn that were built up this patch for.

Well, my theory is that it'd be us and the Arathi Empire Vs the Scarlet Crusade and Red Dawn.

[Cheezits]

Aszhara pairs well as a foil to the Emperor, as both are old rulers of Azeroth that use opposing forces. Also their ties to Kalimdor and EK respectively.

Even if it means less Naga for a time I would prefer if they saved her for after TLT.

[Joshuaj]

Besides, us seeing the Arathi Empire in a patch doesn't mean it may not be utilized later on as a full on expansion area. Tazavesh is actually a perfect example of this. Maybe Blizz could just remake the land for an Avaloren expansion? Idk

[Makorus]

The Red Dawn is the Scarlet Crusade.

Besides, us seeing the Arathi Empire in a patch doesn't mean it may not be utilized later on as a full on expansion area. Tazavesh is actually a perfect example of this. Maybe Blizz could just remake the land for an Avaloren expansion? Idk

Tazvesh was not a focus of a patch, ever.

[Joshuaj]

It's also very interesting that they pointed out that the Naga are very much a thing past the Storming Sea, which is why I don't think that Azshara will be overly relevant in the WSS.

Her implications with the Void and whatnot are kinda why I think she will be relevant this saga.

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The Red Dawn is the Scarlet Crusade.



Tazvesh was not a focus of a patch, ever.

Forgot about that fact regarding the Red Dawn lol. My fault.

And also, Tazavesh is the hub of 11.2 lol

[Makorus]

Her implications with the Void and whatnot are kinda why I think she will be relevant this saga.

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Forgot about that fact regarding the Red Dawn lol. My fault.

And also, Tazavesh is the hub of 11.2 lol

Yeah, Tazavesh is a hub and was a dungeon. It was never a zone or even expansion content.

This would be like making a whole expansion around Tazavesh after it was a dungeon.

[Khaza-R]

Besides, us seeing the Arathi Empire in a patch doesn't mean it may not be utilized later on as a full on expansion area. Tazavesh is actually a perfect example of this. Maybe Blizz could just remake the land for an Avaloren expansion? Idk

If 12.1 ends up being about that lost temple of the First Flame I could very much see the Arathi getting involved. Although not in Avaloren.

Just too much foreshadowing with the troll, elf and human past for the Arathi to not be highly relevant throughout Midnight.

[Joshuaj]

If 12.1 ends up being about that lost temple of the First Flame I could very much see the Arathi getting involved. Although not in Avaloren.

Just too much foreshadowing with the troll, elf and human past for the Arathi to not be highly relevant throughout Midnight.

...I...totally forgot about that.

I can see that being 12.1 (An actual patch zone) or 12.0.7 (Basically the Siren Isle of Midnight), sure.

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Yeah, Tazavesh is a hub and was a dungeon. It was never a zone or even expansion content.

This would be like making a whole expansion around Tazavesh after it was a dungeon.

I don't understand, are you with me or against me?

Cause my idea was that it could be a raid first, and then an actual expansion hub or summ, with a continent built around it (There we could handle other implied threats). But, if they saved the empire for later, I'd be fine with that as well. I just think a Light-themed raid would help a TON. Like, imagine:

Void and Elf for 12.0

Light and Arathi for 12.1

Then Light and Shadow for 12.2

See why I think that would be cool?

[Cheezits]

If it wasn't totally scrapped by Metzen, I can see the First Flame thing being tied to whatever is under Quel'thalas that made it so sacred to the Amani. Maybe a temple of Light they found that was coopted by the elves and turned into Arcane. Or sealed off entirely.

Xal would want it as it would be an easy way to corrupt the Sunwell very quickly.

[Khaza-R]

If it wasn't totally scrapped by Metzen, I can see the First Flame thing being tied to whatever is under Quel'thalas that made it so sacred to the Amani. Maybe a temple of Light they found that was coopted by the elves and turned into Arcane. Or sealed off entirely.

Xal would want it as it would be an easy way to corrupt the Sunwell very quickly.

Why would it be scrapped if it was included in a story that came out as a prelude to 11.1.7?

[Joshuaj]

If it wasn't totally scrapped by Metzen, I can see the First Flame thing being tied to whatever is under Quel'thalas that made it so sacred to the Amani. Maybe a temple of Light they found that was coopted by the elves and turned into Arcane. Or sealed off entirely.

Xal would want it as it would be an easy way to corrupt the Sunwell very quickly.

Yeah, I'll keep it a stack with y'all, I'd be shocked if the Sunwell wasn't the first raid of the expac.

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Many folks believed the Nerubians would be the main foes of TWW, but their capital was legit the first raid of the expac. If the Sunwell was the first raid of Midnight, and is the result of us uniting the Elves and whatnot, I'd be totally okay with it.