The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

If it wasn't totally scrapped by Metzen, I can see the First Flame thing being tied to whatever is under Quel'thalas that made it so sacred to the Amani. Maybe a temple of Light they found that was coopted by the elves and turned into Arcane. Or sealed off entirely.

Xal would want it as it would be an easy way to corrupt the Sunwell very quickly.

There would be some incredible irony in the Amani and Arathi maybe working together to find the First Flame.

[Cheezits]

Why would it be scrapped if it was included in a story that came out as a prelude to 11.1.7?

I have my doubts as to when that story was written and if it still aligns with future post-TWW-launch plans for TWS, especially as its cover art is based off the older portrayal of Faerin and the Arathi will seemingly play a reduced role in the saga vs older Avaloren plans.

[Enrif]

Except it used to say that before release.

which is promotional text, not actual lore.

and even then, it was changed, wasn't it?

[Joshuaj]

Regarding renown tracks, I can see Midnight doing this:

12.0 tracks: The Elven Unity, The Amani, a group of rebellious Naga, and either a Dwarf based one or summ idk.

12.1 track: The Arathi Empire

12.2: Something Light-related, probably.

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which is promotional text, not actual lore

"The Arathi have battled the Nerubians for centuries"

...And people don't assume Nerubians probably exist outside the regions we know of?

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Cause, they could very easily make this work by saying the Nerubians exist at the Arathi Empire's continent as well.

[Cheezits]

Regarding renown tracks, I can see Midnight doing this:

12.0 tracks: The Elven Unity, The Amani, a group of rebellious Naga, and either a Dwarf based one or summ idk.

Thalassian Unity, Forsaken, Amani, mystery box (Eredar, Ethereal, Naga)
or
Blood Elf, High Elf, Forsaken, Amani

[Enrif]

"The Arathi have battled the Nerubians for centuries"

...And people don't assume Nerubians probably exist outside the regions we know of?

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Cause, they could very easily make this work by saying the Nerubians exist at the Arathi Empire's continent as well.

heh, that's true. Nerubians could exist in the Arathi home empire too.

[milkmustache]

Regarding renown tracks, I can see Midnight doing this:

12.0 tracks: The Elven Unity, The Amani, a group of rebellious Naga, and either a Dwarf based one or summ idk.

Thalassian Group, Amani Group, Ghostlands/Scourge/Plaguelands group, and taking a swing at the return of the Shattered Sun on Quel'danas.

[Joshuaj]

Thalassian Group, Amani Group, Ghostlands/Scourge/Plaguelands group, and taking a swing at the return of the Shattered Sun on Quel'danas.

I'd fw this, assuming we don't get a Naga-based renown track ofc.

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Okay, this is NOT Midnight related, but I gotta say...

TLT better have us fight Sargeras.

[milkmustache]

Okay, this is NOT Midnight related, but I gotta say...

TLT better have us fight Sargeras.

Considering our last image of Illidan and Sargeras was Illidan essentially charging into a battle with him, it'd be so cool if there were a fight against Sargeras where we essentially interrupt what has been an eternal battle between the two of them to try and turn the tides against Sargeras.

[Khaza-R]

I have my doubts as to when that story was written and if it still aligns with future post-TWW-launch plans for TWS, especially as its cover art is based off the older portrayal of Faerin and the Arathi will seemingly play a reduced role in the saga vs older Avaloren plans.

I don't think that's the case. Its a story about a lost Arathi queen who also a descendent of Quel'thalas and meets a magical light lady who can transform into a human, elf and troll. And she only gets her magical light powers once she says she doesn't just want to defend her people but all lands. The foreshadowing is pretty on the nose.

If it were some holdover from old Arathi lore then it probably would have been more world-building for Avaloren and not EK/Quel'thalas.

[Nymrohd]

heh, that's true. Nerubians could exist in the Arathi home empire too.

Yeah underground locations could be linked from beneath across continents possibly faster, especially if they have breached the Manifold.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

TLT better have us fight Sargeras.

TLT better give us the tinkers.

Apparently the monk class designer originally wanted to work on the tinker and already had a project. But Blizzard refused and asked him to work on the monk instead. What a waste... we could have had the tinker a decade ago.

Source :

Sorry I was on the phone before, this thread right here (he only mentions it though in the 2nd post): https://x.com/ckaleiki/status/1947819913428799499

[Makorus]

which is promotional text, not actual lore.

and even then, it was changed, wasn't it?

You are the second person to say that, and the second person to completely disregard the part where I acknowledge that it has been changed and that is most likely stems an older concept of Hallowfall.

Also, in what world is "promotional text" not lore? What?

[blaatschaap]

TLT better give us the tinkers.

Apparently the monk class designer originally wanted to work on the tinker and already had a project. But Blizzard refused and asked him to work on the monk instead. What a waste... we could have had the tinker a decade ago.

That's depressing. Especially considering how few people play monk

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

That's depressing. Especially considering how few people play monk

Yeah... I can't believe it. Yet it was an easy W, unlike the alcoholic pandas.

[Joshuaj]

Considering our last image of Illidan and Sargeras was Illidan essentially charging into a battle with him, it'd be so cool if there were a fight against Sargeras where we essentially interrupt what has been an eternal battle between the two of them to try and turn the tides against Sargeras.

Actually, I had another idea: 13.1's raid being us against the Titans!

Every boss would be a Titan, with Sargeras being the final boss.

Middle raid for the final expac of what is essentially the culmination of Warcraft's first 30 years. Boom!

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Regarding the first raid's final boss for TLT? I had some theories in mind:

-Helya Vs Us and the Keepers

-Odyn Vs Us and Tyr

-Us, The Keepers and the Aspects Vs Chromatus

[Nymrohd]

You are the second person to say that, and the second person to completely disregard the part where I acknowledge that it has been changed and that is most likely stems an older concept of Hallowfall.

Also, in what world is "promotional text" not lore? What?

People really need to be technically correct. I blame Futurama. I doubt you are all chartered accountants.

[Joshuaj]

I thought we'd see Chromatus in DF, but I was wrong. At the very least, LEMME BE RIGHT FOR THIS ONE BLIZZARD PLEASE!!!!

[Capivara]

The question is, how would that work techwise; what would keep you on one side of the border?
One suggestion I had before the trilogy announcement would be a continent divided by a great wall; you cannot fly over it with some opaque shield bisecting the continent. You get 4 zones at launch with 1 big and 1 small island zone plus an underground or maybe even mountain plateau added as patch content (have the latter be available from the start and populated with max level creatures but no stories available until it is released). Then at the next expansion, the wall effectively is breached and the rest of the continent becomes available.

i was thinking about how they most sirtainly will not wecome us in ther lands, so, we will be treted as invaders to ther empire, at the points we shouldn't be they can put giant cannons and mortars shooting and gryphon riders (or whatever flying creature they use ) to shoot as down.


i mean, IF they decide to continue with this "expanded storytelling" type of expansions. maybe we will have this just in the WSS

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Speaking of the Arathi, I can well imagine the Emperor coming in person during Midnight aboard a colossal fleet of ships, illuminating the horizon and dissipating little by little as they approach Quel'thalas. The Emperor lands and with a snap of his fingers, puts an end to the Void invasion of the Sunwell. However, he notices the presence of the Void Elves and, shocked to see such decadence, decides to kill them all on sight. Perhaps this is what Metzen is talking about when he says that things will quickly degenerate? Suddenly, the light that was our ally in banishing the shadow forever becomes our next enemy.

That said, I find it very boring that the inhabitants of Hallowfall are boring humans... A species of cave lizard that worships the light, much like this thing:



would have been so much more interesting. I mean, they could have so easily introduced new races that are different from what we usually see given the setting of the expansion which takes place underground, but instead we end up with spiders that we have already seen before, humans and dwarves. What a waste!