The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Capivara]

if the highelf/amani leak is true i think i know what the surprise is about.
a separete bundle with playable tuskarr race. they will profit selling then toguer with the xpansion telling is "early access to part of the last titan expansion"

source: the voices in my head

[Timester]

if the highelf/amani leak is true i think i know what the surprise is about.
a separete bundle with playable tuskarr race. they will profit selling then toguer with the xpansion telling is "early access to part of the last titan expansion"

source: the voices in my head

They won't sell races.

[Wangming]

You wouldn't have to take a "lore quiz" you'd just read things and choose what resonates with you the most, like new players are already going to do

We can't even give lore accurate names to some characters, which is just stupid.

[Capivara]

They won't sell races.

that's why they will do something, they are not selling the race, they are selling an "early access"

[Wangming]

They won't sell races.

How much do you want to bet on that?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Considering the AI prompt situation I am still surprised no one French Speaking has decided to debunk at all. I just still believe its just AI Prompts from the Third Party Social Media agency and it is not some sort of foreshadowing but who knows.

I mean I'd be ecstatic with High Elves and Amani so I am not opposed to it just surprised how this has been embraced without any debunk effort at all.

[Wangming]

Considering the AI prompt situation I am still surprised no one French Speaking has decided to debunk at all. I just still believe its just AI Prompts from the Third Party Social Media agency and it is not some sort of foreshadowing but who knows.

I mean I'd be ecstatic with High Elves and Amani so I am not opposed to it just surprised how this has been embraced without any debunk effort at all.

Confirmation bias. People would love it to be true, so they ignore the red flags.

[13last]

Confirmation bias. People would love it to be true, so they ignore the red flags.

What red flags? The German one was translated perfectly and it's identical to the French one.

The only flag I can see is the models but those are PH models, they aren't gonna ruin their reveal of the races if it turns out that the races are real which they def suggest so since the shorts are posted from official accounts.

[Makorus]

There's a lot you can read into random social media posts from the Warcraft team if you try hard enough.

[Wangming]

What red flags? The German one was translated perfectly and it's identical to the French one.

The only flag I can see is the models but those are PH models, they aren't gonna ruin their reveal of the races if it turns out that the races are real which they def suggest so since the shorts are posted from official accounts.

So why not use the ingame Amani model for example? Why Darkspear?

[milkmustache]

What red flags? The German one was translated perfectly and it's identical to the French one.

The only flag I can see is the models but those are PH models, they aren't gonna ruin their reveal of the races if it turns out that the races are real which they def suggest so since the shorts are posted from official accounts.

Agreed. That's the argument I don't get. "This is clearly a Darkspear troll and a Void Elf"... correct. The video in question is a standard WoW marketing video by an outside firm. They're using player models that fit the script they're given. They're not going to show off a brand new Amani model to spoil. Using the old would have the exact same affect IMO, people would say "Why is there a jungle troll model in Orgrimmar as a part of the Horde?" and be too direct.

These videos are a part of Blizzard's social campagins (which had been doing well before the layoffs) and just happen to be a very cheeky hint at Midnight. I'm 100% bought in to High Elves for Alliance and Amani Trolls for Horde next expansion, this seals the deal.

[Limayria]

We can't even give lore accurate names to some characters, which is just stupid.

While I do hope we get the ability to have first and last names or apostrophes in names, after seeing the flood of stupid goonerslop names on mop classic I am worried about the awful shit we're gonna see


Also I think the "surprise" is gonna be the wow equivalent of a free fantasia including a rename to go along with the name changes that were data mined awhile ago, and hopefully part of a total character creation overhaul

[Timester]

Agreed. That's the argument I don't get. "This is clearly a Darkspear troll and a Void Elf"... correct. The video in question is a standard WoW marketing video by an outside firm. They're using player models that fit the script they're given. They're not going to show off a brand new Amani model to spoil. Using the old would have the exact same affect IMO, people would say "Why is there a jungle troll model in Orgrimmar as a part of the Horde?" and be too direct.

It's more "This is clearly a Darkspear troll". Amani are FAR from Darkspear lorewise and model-wise. I refuse that Blizzard became THAT lazy regarding their lore and presentation.

[elbleuet]

Considering the AI prompt situation I am still surprised no one French Speaking has decided to debunk at all. I just still believe its just AI Prompts from the Third Party Social Media agency and it is not some sort of foreshadowing but who knows.

I mean I'd be ecstatic with High Elves and Amani so I am not opposed to it just surprised how this has been embraced without any debunk effort at all.

I'm french speaking and I've already said the prompt is identical to the german one.

[13last]

So why not use the ingame Amani model for example? Why Darkspear?

I'm drawing empty, I'm not sure. Not trying to argue with you, just saying those are official accounts posting them.

There was news that they laid off their social media teams and they hired cheap labour instead and they already made a mistake posting timeless isles tweets/fb info so maybe they messed up here also but I doubt it. Especially if we have both a French short and a German short that are identical.

Personally I've been here a long time and I won't lie, it doesn't feel as big as usual in terms of excitement and people looking forward to the announcements and we barely move pages now but I'm hoping as we get closer to announcement we get more discussion. I personally would not be surprised if that leak from earlier is right but it also feels very safe and a little to detailed.

It's more "This is clearly a Darkspear troll". Amani are FAR from Darkspear lorewise and model-wise. I refuse that Blizzard became THAT lazy regarding their lore and presentation.

Personally I think their social media team is all over the place since they laid off their main one - hence they already messed up with timeless isle info before mop even launched but we won't know for sure.

[milkmustache]

It's more "This is clearly a Darkspear troll". Amani are FAR from Darkspear lorewise and model-wise. I refuse that Blizzard became THAT lazy regarding their lore and presentation.

I understand that. You're not getting my point. The assumption from context regarding their social team is that this isn't Blizzard in house socials team that picked a Darkspear troll; it is an out-of-house most likely off shores marketing firm, as can be seen in the last few weeks of their social posts.

Marketing firm gets the script and a logline with "Amani troll and High Elf discuss their differences and hatred, acknowledge working together while not forgetting the past". They pick the player models available, and make the video.

I'm not saying it's not a misrepresentation, I'm only saying it's clearly a script seeded with hints for the next expansion.

[Wangming]

I'm drawing empty, I'm not sure. Not trying to argue with you, just saying those are official accounts posting them.

There was news that they laid off their social media teams and they hired cheap labour instead and they already made a mistake posting timeless isles tweets/fb info so maybe they messed up here also but I doubt it. Especially if we have both a French short and a German short that are identical.

Using AI and clueless interns that aren't familiar enough with the game because it is cheap, is not the look you should be going for, leading up to your new expansion reveal. At least, I fon't think so.
Blizzard keeps getting bought buy larger and richer companies, but they seem to have less and less money in the process.

[Makorus]

I genuinely think people interpret too much into this. Blizzard has a habit of posting lore refreshers before updates, and while those two languages have probably released it too early, I genuinely don't see how it means anything other than the fact that those two races are in the expansion, which we kinda knew.

[milkmustache]

Using AI and clueless interns that aren't familiar enough with the game because it is cheap, is not the look you should be going for, leading up to your new expansion reveal. At least, I fon't think so.
Blizzard keeps getting bought buy larger and richer companies, but they seem to have less and less money in the process.

I think this is something we can all get behind. Late Dragonflight WoW social team was incredible. This Week in WoW, Roadmaps, silly videos, etc.

We've lost This Week in WoW, videos are extremely dialed back, and you can tell they're made with out of house marketing firms. A lot of the 11.2 feature videos don't even use the correct font. It's sloppy and disappointing, a clear mistake on behalf of Microsoft that I hope they quickly course correct on. I highly doubt it.

[Timester]

I understand that. You're not getting my point. The assumption from context regarding their social team is that this isn't Blizzard in house socials team that picked a Darkspear troll; it is an out-of-house most likely off shores marketing firm, as can be seen in the last few weeks of their social posts.

Marketing firm gets the script and a logline with "Amani troll and High Elf discuss their differences and hatred, acknowledge working together while not forgetting the past". They pick the player models available, and make the video.

I'm not saying it's not a misrepresentation, I'm only saying it's clearly a script seeded with hints for the next expansion.

But that's the thing, the text is clearly saying "Amani". I worked for outsourced social teams and support and something that I quickly learned is that game devs are extremely picky regarding story and spoilers. Using a Darkspear for an Amani would lead to that outsource losing their project in months.