The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

Supposedly, at least.

Yet for being a Life pantheon member she's got her hands in at least two thirds of the cosmological array..

Does she though?

As it stands, no magic force has actually unique capabilites, each can do what everyone else does and each one simply excels at different things.
Elunes powers are just gonna be different manifestations of Life and Nature magic.

[Kiivar86]

I do remember that, just nothing about a life pantheon.
Isnt that something that was invented here on the forums..?

From the quest Inform the Primus:

The Primus says: The Winter Queen is bound to her counterpart in the realms of Life. Together, they embody the balance of the great cycle.

Its not outright said she's part of the pantheon of life but calling her the counterpart of the Winter Queen in the realms of Life implies as much, at least.

I'm here for Elune being way more than the Winter Queen's Life counterpart... but I'm also enjoying the mystery, you know? Maybe she's a First One? A Goddess across multiple realms? It's one of the best kept mysteries so far in WoW (probably because Blizz doesn't know what she is), and I kind of like that(

Oh yea I'm not complaining, more just wondering because it is kind of interesting. She's got a connection to everything but Fel, and at this point I'm just waiting for that to come up too.

Is she though?

As it stands, no magic force has actually unique capabilites, each can do what everyone else does and each one simply excels at different things.
Elunes powers are just gonna be different manifestations of Life and Nature magic.

But like I pointed out she has seemingly direct connections to the Light and Order. I mean the Titans used her tear as part of their work on Azeroth. This isn't just having similar capabilities but actually involving in the stuff.

Its just weird that she's connected to so much stuff whereas the others are far more isolated.

[Alanar]

From the quest Inform the Primus:



Its not outright said she's part of the pantheon of life but calling her the counterpart of the Winter Queen in the realms of Life implies as much, at least.



Oh yea I'm not complaining, more just wondering because it is kind of interesting. She's got a connection to everything but Fel, and at this point I'm just waiting for that to come up too.

Oke thanks that helps. I do see what you mean. But we cant just say she is part of pantheon of life. An assumption at most it seems. Hell they could do it totally different when ever we will interact with the so called life lands. Maybe they have a sole leader or 2 members.. who knows.

[Izalla]

It hasn't been confirmed but some interview in June from Blizz Teloargus got called a Titan but was corrected. It could be but /shrug

Oh I thought it was something added to Hearthstone. I don't follow Hearthstone news to know where it came from.

[Cheezits]

While talking about Elune having so many different magics, does anyone find it odd that Titans/Keepers/Watchers seem to have so many Holy/Light powers?

Also Soridormi makes a note that Ulderoth is only "Order... and Life". As in it's a surprise to her. Maybe the Order/Light/Life trio have some kind of official partnership.

[Hitei]

While talking about Elune having so many different magics, does anyone find it odd that Titans/Keepers/Watchers seem to have so many Holy/Light powers?

Not really, the point of order is basically control and manipulation of other things.

[Raetary]

Oh I thought it was something added to Hearthstone. I don't follow Hearthstone news to know where it came from.

Telogrus was never even mentioned by the hs devs in that interview where this was brought up.

The person who wrote the article just inserted and presented that bit of headcanon as fact, and everyone just ran with it.

[Santandame]

Best case scenario regarding the Heretics in Avaloren:

They’re a completely new set of races that are a lot more powerful than the other races on Azeroth. They’re more advanced than us in every way. Be it magically, technologically, from a military standpoint as well as wisdom and knowledge. They’re comprised of several of the more advanced races that live in Avaloren. They have no affinity for the void, nor are they Old God worshippers. Odyn calls them heretics because they outright reject the idea of the Titans coming here to impose order upon Azeroth, similar to the core principles of the Primal Incarnates. They’re actually intrinsically linked to the elements, with each of the major races having an affinity for a different element. @Nymrohd had some cool ideas such as Undines for water and salamanders for fire. Proto Trolls were also thrown around, I could see them linked to earth. A feline race would be fun for air, and then a more otherworldly, mystical race for spirit who would be seen as the prime race of Avaloren.

Worst case scenario for the Heretics in Avaloren:

They’re just your bog standard, run of the mill Void worshippers we’ve seen before. Worship the Void, the Black Empire, etc. They’re made up of various races we already know, with some corrupted titanforged in their ranks.

I know what I’d prefer.

[Izalla]

Telogrus was never even mentioned by the hs devs in that interview where this was brought up.

The person who wrote the article just inserted and presented that bit of headcanon as fact, and everyone just ran with it.

I gotcha. It does seem like there are some good clues already in the lore that support the idea though so I assume that's where the writer got the headcanon from.

[Cheezits]

I'm pretty sure Elune or an avatar of her will be in the Dream/Lifelands chunk that may be the new map.

[Raetary]

I'm pretty sure Elune or an avatar of her will be in the Dream/Lifelands chunk that may be the new map.

Honestly, i expect us to fail and she has to intervene to protect the tree from Fyrakks or Vyranoths assault.

[Hitei]

I'm pretty sure Elune or an avatar of her will be in the Dream/Lifelands chunk that may be the new map.

I hope Elune is some sort of horrifying celestial spider monster.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm pretty sure Elune or an avatar of her will be in the Dream/Lifelands chunk that may be the new map.

Worst case scenario she won't appear physically but she'll definitely be doing "something."

[Cheezits]

Honestly, i expect us to fail and she has to intervene to protect the tree from Fyrakks or Vyranoths assault.

I agree. I think that they want to show that Elune really does love the Nelves and will have her do something ACTIVELY in their favor, instead of indirectly like allowing the creation of the seed.

Between the tree, the Dream, the nelf heritage and the all Nelf classes(?) warglaives, the next few months are going to be "we're sorry nelf fans" content.

[Santandame]

It's all but straight up confirmed at this rate. From the Grimoire, to her being the WQ's sister, to the Dream and Ardenweald having Cosmic Connections, to her role with the other Cosmic Forces (Especially with the Titans and the Emerald Dream) etc, it's pretty much all but certain at this rate. Hell, much of her Artifacts (Like the Tears of Elune) are related to Life and Dreams (Especially Azeroth's Dream), despite some of her things being Shadow/Light related (Such as the Night Warrior being dark and other "umbral" ordeals, as well as her seemingly giving Life to the Naaru in a way).

And if you want another "confirmation", she had sex with Malorne and gave birth to Cenarius, who, funny enough, sees the Winter Queen as an aunt lol.

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And with all the Elune emphasis in this patch alone, namely with the Dreamsurge icons, as well as the Night Elf Heritage Armor, etc...

I feel as though she may appear directly in 10.2. Maybe not the Pantheon of Life or the full on Domain of Life, but more so the Emerald Dream in a more full, "Cosmic" extent, with her ruling area (As well as the World Tree, where the Titans started experimenting in the Dream, and where the Green Flight watches over Azeroth from). Similar to how we saw Ardenweald and its ruling area with the WQ, etc.

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Ya know, like it's in the Domain of Life, but we're not actually gonna see the other realms of Life, not yet at least. This is more so a tease for what is to come in a potential future expac.

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Would imo be a good way of setting up for Cosmic Domains also, and I imagine this is likely a thing Metzen probably did in his advising, I.E to better set up Cosmic plotlines so they don't feel as "anticlimactic", like with Shadowlands, ya know?

I wouldn’t hold as much hope out as you seem to be in regards to seeing a focus on the cosmic realms again.

When/if we see the Dream in 10.2, you can bet it will be sold to us in the classic, traditional way we’ve seen the Dream in the WoW lifespan; with very little mentioning or drawing parallel to its links with say Zereth Vitae.

Blizzard have outright said as recently as the end of Shadowlands, that they hear our criticisms with the story going cosmic and that they’ll focus on a return to roots. They’ve been very good at taking that on board from what we’ve seen. They aren’t going to pursue returning to a setting and theme that the majority of the player base clearly aren’t keen on, any time soon, if at all.

[Hitei]

Ik you're probably joking, but realistically, don't be surprised if she looks a little similar to the Winter Queen.

I wasn't really joking. I don't think it's likely but considering she's an entity that is present across many worlds, it'd be nice if she wasn't just a standard humanoid.

[Nebron]

Not sure if it's just me, but the whole timey-wimey theme seems excessively dramatic and uninspiring. I have a feeling that dealing with time-related topics almost never succeeds. All this messing with fate, jumping across different timelines, and time-traveling to fix events seems at least incomprehensible, if not tedious, for an ordinary, average player.

I feel like it only creates more plot problems, than allows for deep storytelling. Similar issues were present in Warlords of Draenor. To me, it sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Murozond most definitely comes back for his, what, 3rd strike? Which time-line is the true one, and what does it even mean in the context of WoW's world-building.

It's almost the same issue as Zereth Mortis, The Primal Ones and ever-growing cosmological hierarchy. It's become so derailed that it's hard to keep up with the story. Anecdotal, I know, but from time to time, I get asked by my friend what's the current story status of WoW and it's hard to disagree with him, that the story became such a headache.

As long as time-travelling serves a purpose of allowing a player experience the past events, it only feels natural. Now... well, I can't even tell what is it about. What is the power of Nozdormu really? In theory, he can see past, present, future - but how can he utilize it? If he's able to see his own death and becomes Murozond in the end, how can we ever cheat his destiny without undermining his omniscence? Have we ever utilized Nozdormu's abilities to take adventage over an enemy? And then, on top of that another layer - parallel intertwined timelines :|

And then, if we assume that he's somewhat of a custodian over the "secrets of time", wouldn't he simply allow for time to flow it's way without engineering? Until this moment, Nozdormu is nothing but under the influence of some sort of memory loss and he can't tell what's to happen. Not really a useful ally to begin with

[Cheezits]

Blizzard have outright said as recently as the end of Shadowlands, that they hear our criticisms with the story going cosmic and that they’ll focus on a return to roots. They’ve been very good at taking that on board from what we’ve seen. They aren’t going to pursue returning to a setting and theme that the majority of the player base clearly aren’t keen on, any time soon, if at all.

A patch zone can take place in another world/dimension, people aren't going to ragequit over that. Considering that we are going into a split pocket dimension of life magic to defend a giant tree, we're already "cosmic".

Emerald Nightmare, Argus, Nya'lotha, etc.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, again Fate-changing is not canonical. Steve has never ever stated publically that his concept of us changing fate is canon even though again the entirety of SL becomes incoherent without that element.

Then again the entire story of Zovaal's defeat is literally such a rabbit hole and basically no one will ever let anyone divulge what actually happened there based on the information within the game. So again, who cares.

Again Steve has never outlined anything except the things happening in the cinematics and unfortunately because of how cryptic everything is in those cinematics and how infinite rabbit hole every sentence has become. It is unfortunately just not worth discussing because everyone throws a hissy fit every time or they are confused because they don't have the knowledge surrounding the subjects.

Also to be fair I never really expected Steve to continue to try and battering ram the Azeroth World Soul this many times until he just outright states that the "prophecy" of Azeroths Awakening is going to be fulfilled. (Which again another can of wormholes)

In the end, I don't see a satisfactory ending for this storyline because of every conceivable constraint the storyline is under. It is going to end as anticlimactic as Ny'alotha with a VICTORY screen and Ion's stern face going "Well, you always win because video game 4Head".

[Houle]

I wasn't really joking. I don't think it's likely but considering she's an entity that is present across many worlds, it'd be nice if she wasn't just a standard humanoid.

I wouldnt hold out much hope, if any. Id like it as well, but considering they just had the opportunity for that in SL...probably aint gonna happen. The Jailer and the Eternal Ones couldve looked any way they liked, and all of them got the "big humanoid" treatment. Even Mueh'zala, who was previously described as a shapeshifter who switched between various monstrous forms, got turned an oversized ugly troll and that was it.

Expect Elune to look similar to the Winter Queen, only with a bit more "summer" vibes lol