The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...flight/1636338 Found this on the forums. Were you just "regurgitating" this?

"Well done steak"

Tauren toon

[Sondrelk]

Well, considering that DF is a "down to earth" or "grounded" expansion (and many people have different thoughts on that), should Blizzard go more cosmic for 11.0? Not necessarily outside of Azeroth, but the "theme?" Personally, I really hope DF picks up with 10.1.7/10.2 because the "power of friendship/care bear" stuff is getting old. I love character building, world building, exposition, but man, get to the good stuff!

I would be down for a cosmic expansion, though it would have to be one closer in setup to Legion. Definitely all in on the Fel and Demons, but with a decently grounded beginning with loads of opportunities for non Legion stuff to break the monotony.

Shadowlands could have worked just fine if it took place primarily in Northrend in my opinion.

[huth]

I think people are taking Iridikron lines too literally.

Iridikron is a schemer with a giant well of Information available to him thanks to Xal'atath.
I doubt he's unaware of the Titans lvl of power.

Nor do his lines make me think that he'll just try go toe to toe with them when the time comes, but rather that he's setting them up to fail.

He's indubitably a schemer, but the whole "giant well of information" or connections to Xal'atath are at best supposition. Whether she told him the true scope if she did at all is also a matter of contention. Our experience with Old Gods so far has them rather be cryptic and fragmented with information, with it often not being much use until after the fact.


And setting up your foe to fail when you do not know the actual extent of their capabilities is no better than engaging them directly without that knowledge.

[Ersula]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...flight/1636338 Found this on the forums. Were you just "regurgitating" this?

His logic is "If there's another titan, shouldn't there be another flight?" Well considering there's two "nature" Dragonflights, Ysera and Alexstrasza, that logic is already debunked. The Titans do not directly correspond to the Dragonflights. We can't even say concretely that "There isn't a Silver Flight because the one dragon in the whole world Tyr wanted died against Galakrond" is the reason rather than "They decided against a 6th flight for other reasons."

Though I do agree the Titan Lore in Hearthstone is indicative of them becoming important to WoW lore very soon. Due to the conclusion to the new Dungeon. Also they gave us Inge, a Warrior keeper which explains the Vrykul's culture. Vrykul supposedly developed closest to the Titan-forged yet they aren't very titan like, but now they gave us Inge, a Watcher created by the Primus.

[jeezusisacasual]

Well, considering that DF is a "down to earth" or "grounded" expansion (and many people have different thoughts on that), should Blizzard go more cosmic for 11.0? Not necessarily outside of Azeroth, but the "theme?" Personally, I really hope DF picks up with 10.1.7/10.2 because the "power of friendship/care bear" stuff is getting old. I love character building, world building, exposition, but man, get to the good stuff!

To be honest this entire expansion seems to be very filler like honestly. While i myself want a story to focus on localized plot points this seems to be flirting with cosmic end of the world ending garbage ( think a shitty Michael Bay film ) and some sort of tongue in cheek cheese ( the niffin ) where as i want would like a real bastard villain who does horrific things think a Game of Thrones style of doomer narrative and until there is some real gut wrenching teeth i could care less.

Also this expansions voice acting has been terrible compared to almost every other triple a games which while it might not be fair i compare every game to one another let alone i expect them to be better since they have coming on 19 years worth of experience.

They still have not fixed the problem of keeping me subscribed once i get KSH which for an always online world is kinda sad.

[Well Done Steak]

His logic is "If there's another titan, shouldn't there be another flight?" Well considering there's two "nature" Dragonflights, Ysera and Alexstrasza, that logic is already debunked. The Titans do not directly correspond to the Dragonflights. We can't even say concretely that "There isn't a Silver Flight because the one dragon in the whole world Tyr wanted died against Galakrond" is the reason rather than "They decided against a 6th flight for other reasons."

Though I do agree the Titan Lore in Hearthstone is indicative of them becoming important to WoW lore very soon. Due to the conclusion to the new Dungeon. Also they gave us Inge, a Warrior keeper which explains the Vrykul's culture. Vrykul supposedly developed closest to the Titan-forged yet they aren't very titan like, but now they gave us Inge, a Watcher created by the Primus.

That's not my logic...

Golg and agg don't have flights and don't expect them too


The thing is that dralad was name dropped during DF for his first canonical mention.

His corpse went missing, so I'm just speculating that tyr res'd him since his name was in his computer.

Then perhaps had amitus ascend dralad through him and hide him as he the silver aspect of light for his 1mil iq plan

[Aeluron Lightsong]

To be honest this entire expansion seems to be very filler like honestly. While i myself want a story to focus on localized plot points this seems to be flirting with cosmic end of the world ending garbage ( think a shitty Michael Bay film ) and some sort of tongue in cheek cheese ( the niffin ) where as i want would like a real bastard villain who does horrific things think a Game of Thrones style of doomer narrative and until there is some real gut wrenching teeth i could care less.

Wow does not need game of thrones where chars are killed off at random just to be "Oooh so gritty" The voice acting also in this expansion is fine, what are you smoking, Ebyssian sounds great for who he is. Wrathion is always a treat to hear, sabellian fits the character. Neltharion's voice still has the deep voice most dragons do. Even Nozdormu is good when talking to and he is a tragic character if he's still to be Murozond. The unbalanced tone of the expansion isn't always good,(The Niffen make this difficult in Zaralek caverns).

[Khaza-R]

Prospects of a 6th flight are interesting but I feel like a light-themed flight that was centered around protection would basically cannibalize what little the red flight already have that's unique about them.

[Well Done Steak]

Prospects of a 6th flight are interesting but I feel like a light-themed flight that was centered around protection would basically cannibalize what little the red flight already have that's unique about them.

I think Its purpose would be a lot more complex if Tyr hid out dralad on purpose.

I'm thinking he's the reason why the mother oathstone failed, because we haven't reactivated the silver oathstone.

Maybe his purpose is to grant the aspects their powers back?

Or maybe he's some sort of fail safe if the world soul was corrupted by void.

[Khaza-R]

I think Its purpose would be a lot more complex if Tyr hid out dralad on purpose.

I'm thinking he's the reason why the mother oathstone failed, because we haven't reactivated the silver oathstone.

Maybe his purpose is to grant the aspects their powers back?

Or maybe he's some sort of fail safe if the world soul was corrupted by void.

Or maybe they're devoid of free will and exist only to service the titans directive. More like automations than living beings.

That would certainly raise some dissension between the Aspects and Tyr.

[Well Done Steak]

Or maybe they're devoid of free will and exist only to service the titans directive. More like automations than living beings.

That would certainly raise some dissension between the Aspects and Tyr.

I get the vibe that Tyr isn't down with this 100% based on his letters to Odyn

But I can see how the aspects would feel that way which is what's probably going to trigger the true Murozond transformation after Noz realizes his nothing more than a tool.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I get the vibe that Tyr isn't down with this 100% based on his letters to Odyn

But I can see how the aspects would feel that way which is what's probably going to trigger the true Murozond transformation after Noz realizes his nothing more than a tool.

It would be more interesting IMO the Titan constructs/titanforged have a bit of a civil war. Mortal friendly life keepers,watchers vs Odyn and just "absolute servitude and ruthless Order". Odyn probably would enjoy seeing Murozond "SEE THOSE DRAGONS WEREN'T A GOOD IDEA"

[Murlocos]

You won't escape Progenitor lore

Nonetheless we challenge fate itself Danuser

[KayRule]

There's going to be a proper violet flight established with the stormdrakes leading

[Well Done Steak]

It would be more interesting IMO the Titan constructs/titanforged have a bit of a civil war. Mortal friendly life keepers,watchers vs Odyn and just "absolute servitude and ruthless Order". Odyn probably would enjoy seeing Murozond "SEE THOSE DRAGONS WEREN'T A GOOD IDEA"

Something like that is what I think 10.3 will be about

[Skildar]

Iridikron has been clear that in his view, the adventurer shouldn't be taken for a fool. He's been searching to boost his team ever since his release instead of facing us head on. If his goal is to behead the titans then his best shot at doing so is to convince the adventurer to face the titans.

I don't know what the harbinger's gambit will be to provoke a direct intervention from the titans but then I'm convinced that Aman'thul and his brethren will get our attention and we will see them as a threat instead of our guardians.

[Hitei]

Iridikron has been clear that in his view, the adventurer shouldn't be taken for a fool. He's been searching to boost his team ever since his release instead of facing us head on. If his goal is to behead the titans then his best shot at doing so is to convince the adventurer to face the titans.

I don't know what the harbinger's gambit will be to provoke a direct intervention from the titans but then I'm convinced that Aman'thul and his brethren will get our attention and we will see them as a threat instead of our guardians.

The Pantheon has never been our guardians outside of the brief window in Antorus in which we were directly helping their cause and represented their only chance of stopping Sargeras' plot.

They have been a direct threat since Wrath established that they were 100% totally okay with just vaporizing the entire planet, and all sentient life on it, if the planet got even a little bit exposed to minor, entirely fixable corruption.

[Cheezits]

I get the vibe that Tyr isn't down with this 100% based on his letters to Odyn

But I can see how the aspects would feel that way which is what's probably going to trigger the true Murozond transformation after Noz realizes his nothing more than a tool.

I think the Tyr vs Odyn beef is a red herring. In the Uldaman book, Tyr vouches for free will for the dragons which puts him at odds with Odyn. This was prelaunch and set up the idea of "Odyn bad Tyr good".

HOWEVER, as the story goes along we are mostly seeing that TYR's machinations are shady or, at the very least, are hidden to the dragons (vault quest, silver scale). We also get a very skewed perception of him (aspects love him, Khoranos and the Tyrguard venerate him) that just begs to be flipped on its head. And this has already been set in stone with the fact that Alex will "betray him" (unless she ACTUALLY gets corrupted, which I really doubt).

I think the twist, if it exists, is that Tyr will eventually side with Odyn after all. Maybe when he comes back, finds the aspects have actually all been corrupted (besides Alex), and then Alex does something that he considers a betrayal.

[Revamp Man]

I saw this on reddit, apparently that time travel inn thing some people are wondering if it hints toward anything:



Personally I think its just a little tease at how it could be but isn't (after all all the time rift stuff is all "what if" stuff), but who knows.

Omg I'd love that
It's the black empire expansion in all it's glory

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I think the Tyr vs Odyn beef is a red herring. In the Uldaman book, Tyr vouches for free will for the dragons which puts him at odds with Odyn. This was prelaunch and set up the idea of "Odyn bad Tyr good".

HOWEVER, as the story goes along we are mostly seeing that TYR's machinations are shady or, at the very least, are hidden to the dragons (vault quest, silver scale). We also get a very skewed perception of him (aspects love him, Khoranos and the Tyrguard venerate him) that just begs to be flipped on its head. And this has already been set in stone with the fact that Alex will "betray him" (unless she ACTUALLY gets corrupted, which I really doubt).

I think the twist, if it exists, is that Tyr will eventually side with Odyn after all. Maybe when he comes back, finds the aspects have actually all been corrupted (besides Alex), and then Alex does something that he considers a betrayal.

He's gonna come back
Wonder why all life wasn't ordered like the aspects
Try to turn all proto-dragon beings into something ordered
Get defeated by us
We realize we weren't always the heroes
Xal drains him

[Catastrophy349]

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I love the cosmology chart and cosmology lore. I just want it to be set up better before going head first, which it seems like they are doing a bit better now than with BFA---->SL.