The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

Becoming a Void Lord to become a Worldsoul? What?

Gain enough power to be able to consume the worldsoul, I can see it. The prime worldsoul is supposed to be the strongest one and would result in the strongest titan, so the strongest void lord who consumes it, I would imagine.

[Timester]

Gain enough power to be able to consume the worldsoul, I can see it. The prime worldsoul is supposed to be the strongest one and would result in the strongest titan, so the strongest void lord who consumes it, I would imagine.

To consume, yes. To become, it's a grasp when it kinda goes against what's presented with 11.2 as Dimensius literally wants to eat K'aresh worldsoul.

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Has this been discussed yet?https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraftlore/s/mpo5PewDMw

Well, that's just confirming what was spoiled a month ago. It's good to have sources now.

[Skritt]

So basically we still don't know who Xalathat is, it seems that is not relevant, she is just another entity of the void that at some point decided to stop being the harbinger of a Void Lord to become one. He wants to consume the WorldSouls... for what purpose? To consume the entire universe and be the only being in the universe? Come on Blizzard, this is extremely boring, predictable and childish as it can be.

The truth is that I have really enjoyed Karesh's patch in terms of story, but I still don't understand how a character that has been in the shadows of this universe for so many years is simply another destructive entity wanting to consume everything in order to be the strongest entity. Boring as hell.

[13last]

Well, that's just confirming what was spoiled a month ago. It's good to have sources now.

I know we had an overall confirmation but was Soul Scribe being redeemed and animal and plant life returning to Karesh in there as well? Doesn't it make a potential Ethereal playable race more likely?

[Alanar]

I don't know if it was datamined a long time ago and shared already, but someone on reddit found these icons related to bloodqueen transmog, i guess reward for this vampire event people were talking about?

I can already tell, the wings on shoulder gonna ruin it. Sadly.

[Ersula]

Becoming a Void Lord to become a Worldsoul? What?

There's no sign that that theory she would absorb dimensius so she could become a void lord is actually true.

Plus the Prime Worldsoul, a worldsoul that can make more worldsouls, is potentially more powerful than a void lord.

[Timester]

So basically we still don't know who Xalathat is, it seems that is not relevant, she is just another entity of the void that at some point decided to stop being the harbinger of a Void Lord to become one. He wants to consume the WorldSouls... for what purpose? To consume the entire universe and be the only being in the universe? Come on Blizzard, this is extremely boring, predictable and childish as it can be.

The truth is that I have really enjoyed Karesh's patch in terms of story, but I still don't understand how a character that has been in the shadows of this universe for so many years is simply another destructive entity wanting to consume everything in order to be the strongest entity. Boring as hell.

Uhm, that's been the point of Void ever since Chronicles I? "This power was the Void, a dark and vampire force driven to devour all all energy, to twist creation inward to feed upon itself."


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There's no sign that that theory she would absorb dimensius so she could become a void lord is actually true.

It's right there on the audio, she wants to become the All-Devouring.

Plus the Prime Worldsoul, a worldsoul that can make more worldsouls, is potentially more powerful than a void lord.

Forget DBZ powerscalling here, Dimensius is a Galactus-being, a living black hole, that wants to consume creation. It's not a power-leveling issue, the bigger the worldsoul is, the bigger the buffet is.


It's all about energy and how pure energy the Worldsouls are, some cosmic forces wants to transmog it to its type (Titans, Death, Spirit), others wants to consume it.

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I know we had an overall confirmation but was Soul Scribe being redeemed and animal and plant life returning to Karesh in there as well? Doesn't it make a potential Ethereal playable race more likely?

The thing is which Ethereal? The pre-Wasteling or the post-Wasteling?

[Hitei]

Doesn't it make a potential Ethereal playable race more likely?

How? It doesn't change anything about the race themselves, and if anything the revitalization of K'aresh means that the Ethereals are likely to stop being wandering traders always in other places and try and resettle the fragments of K'aresh--not decide to move to Azeroth on a more permanent level.

[Timester]

How? It doesn't change anything about the race themselves, and if anything the revitalization of K'aresh means that the Ethereals are likely to stop being wandering traders always in other places and try and resettle the fragments of K'aresh--not decide to move to Azeroth on a more permanent level.

The Eco-Domes are a clear attempt of colonizing the fragments of K'aresh, so I agree with this.

[13last]

How? It doesn't change anything about the race themselves, and if anything the revitalization of K'aresh means that the Ethereals are likely to stop being wandering traders always in other places and try and resettle the fragments of K'aresh--not decide to move to Azeroth on a more permanent level.

I just thought maybe since the Soul Scribe surviving and being redeemed, it might imply the wastelanders join us in the sense there's more variety to them and since plant life and animals return maybe it'd be a sign of some sort of way forward to have them playable.

I'm just theorizing, but your point makes sense. Don't we still have Xal'ataths consume worldsoul spell that she might use in 11.2.5 or at some point that maybe K'aresh is doomed and they come to Azeroth?

[Khaza-R]

I don't see why why Ethereals need to come to Azeroth to join us. Plenty of races join us to accomplish a singular mission and then stick around even after that completed. And I think you could argue whatever happens to Azeroth effects the entire universe. So its not like they have zero stake in someone trying to use its worldsoul

[Nymrohd]

I think K'aresh being revitalized might lead to 11.2.5 having a new subzone added with an Ethereal race.
Or not, but I can dream?

[Alanar]

So it's true that in 11.2 is revelead that Xal was mortal and his own world was destroyed by Dimensius too? I didn't read that in any quest, but maybe I'm blind xd. Tbh Big if true, but boring asfuk. For now Xalathat it's still a mistery void entity that is older than karesh destruction and who knows what really is in reality...

I literally cant think of a satisfying awnser or conclusion what she eventually will be. As in a reveal. Any suggestions?

She is already boring as fuck.. idk if any reveal would shock me or make her more interesting.

[Samin]

Has this been discussed yet?https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraftlore/s/mpo5PewDMw

It's been more than heavily implied in the Karesh story already, but I think the most interesting part is the confirmation of the role the world soul plays in the life of its planet. I think there's some rethinking of Azeroth's history especially with Elune and Eonar and of course the Haranir. But more importantly it might reframe the nature of the Old Gods. A lot of their lore is still rooted in the "unreliabe" and now frequently debunked Chronicles. I'm not saying "they're good actually" but they might represent an aspect of Azeroth rather than being the foreign parasites we've led to believe. The Xal'atath lorewalking already created some questions there, the Old Gods clearly having different goals than "the void" in the form of Xal'atath, presumably still Harbinger of Dimensius back then.

[Khaza-R]

I think K'aresh being revitalized might lead to 11.2.5 having a new subzone added with an Ethereal race.
Or not, but I can dream?

I am about 50/50 on Ethereals being playable at this point. But the glaring empty space on the map is in my opinion probably strongest thing supporting they might be in the future. With so much future focus going on remix, housing, pre-patch, its weird they bother expanding the map just for an epilogue story.

[13last]

It's been more than heavily implied in the Karesh story already, but I think the most interesting part is the confirmation of the role the world soul plays in the life of its planet. I think there's some rethinking of Azeroth's history especially with Elune and Eonar and of course the Haranir. But more importantly it might reframe the nature of the Old Gods. A lot of their lore is still rooted in the "unreliabe" and now frequently debunked Chronicles. I'm not saying "they're good actually" but they might represent an aspect of Azeroth rather than being the foreign parasites we've led to believe. The Xal'atath lorewalking already created some questions there, the Old Gods clearly having different goals than "the void" in the form of Xal'atath, presumably still Harbinger of Dimensius back then.

Honestly it's so interesting that all these primal forces are so hellbent on worldsouls or Azeroth in particular, it almost seemed like the Old Gods gave the void the finger when they come to Azeroth - from what I could tell in Xal'ataths lorewalking.

And I haven't fully dived into it but I wonder if worldsouls or Azeroth is somehow tied to the Murmuration paradox. Is there a 7th primal force? From reading it quickly, it looked like summoning Murmur takes so much energy that it's basically annihilation or disorder? Idk but it's so intriguing to me.

[DarkestBeforeDawn]

More people right in these past dozen pages than you'd think

[Ochinko]

The Karesh map has a weird empty space on the left with what appears to be a purple outline forshadowing (maybe?) another floating island there? Maybe the ethereal starting area? Things are very much looking towards them becoming playable but we've been down this road many times before so who knows.

[Darkarath]

The empty space on the map, if we not get playable Ethereals, might be the starting zone for new DHs?

I think that Blizzard might tie the new player experience in Midnight with classes, more than factions or races. Order Halls could be involved too. I can see a quick Main Questline for each class being the new leveling.

[Harpymeat]

Ambience is important to game design and feel. I remember Undermine was absolutely packed when that came out, and so was the Isle of Dorne on day 1. Lots of players would be bad on k'aresh, the mob destiny is pretty low (because of the 'vibes' they were going for through the level design) and the world is best presented as desolate.

You seem to have zero sense for 1. the overriding incentive to make the new content feel as popular as possible to the player in-game and 2. the fact that low mob density is addressed via respawn surge when there are a lot of players in the area. There is absolutely no world where they WANT to make content feel empty to correspond to your headfeel about a zone. If you logged on during the first two days of the patch at all you will have experienced the enormous latency. There is literally no question that they acted to alleviate lag problems, not make the patchdrop feel unpopular.