The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[The-Shan]

Speaking of things now that have to do with things later, I feel pretty confident that the entire purpose of the void glass areas and comet's destruction of Eco Dome: Rhovan is solely to familiarize players for when those same things thoroughly mess up Quel'thalas, especially since we have soft confirmation of the void glass meteors being dropped on QT.

I didn't see that soft confirmation, where's that from? :O

[Hitei]

I didn't see that soft confirmation, where's that from? :O

They're just barely visible in some of the artwork we got a while back for the "reveal at Gamescom" advertisements.

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[Porcos Voadores]

Gratitude and to help prevent our world from meeting the same fate as theirs. Even though K'aresh is restored, it's still pretty fucked up what happened to it.

i don't know, imo they should be really greatefull and when the void invade azeroth they should go help with technomancy, but maybe they woul try to fix there homes first.

or the scatered ethereals appear to see there home and seek horde and alliance for power bc we defeated dimensius and they couldn't do it.

[Hitei]

Seemingly a little baby update to the 11.2 PTR? Looks like that CN Swimsuit and mount might show up in NA/EU as well?

[Magistrate]

Completely agreed. I usually tend to be cautious when approaching the "This doesn't feel like Warcraft" conversation, because I think it tends to be a crutch for people looking to push other opinions, but I think the Amirdrassil patch really hammered in how uncanny things felt in Shadowlands/Dragonflight.

Zones in the past have felt like theme parks because of their level design, but Amirdrassil felt like a theme park because of its tone. A lot of the cutscenes felt similar to the videos they show you in line at Universal or Disney World with actor's from the associated movie pretending like they're on a mission with you. There were no fangs to it (pun literally intended). It all felt safe, like you knew you had the safety bar locked in over you, and you're just going through the motions of it all. You were being shown an idyllic version of the Dream with a little bit of danger from outside invaders.

I get it, that's the point of the ordered area of the Dream, but I still think it was a mistake. There should have been some danger to it, true unkempt life that we have to exist amongst while we try to protect the growing sapling from evil. Even more to that, the dangers of the Incarnate of fire coming into burn everything would've been much more intimidating if it were a true thicket.

But tonally it was so off. It even lacked the whimsey of Ardenweald, which felt far better in tone and execution. I dunno. I had a lot of issues with Amirdrassil, and I think it really soured Dragonflight for me. I think The War Within did a great job of course correction. The Ringing Deeps really sticks out to me as a zone that is incredibly aware of it's tonality.

This is why I feel Gorgrond's forests were the superior iteration of unlimited/unrestrained Life.

[The-Shan]

They're just barely visible in some of the artwork we got a while back for the "reveal at Gamescom" advertisements.

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Hey! That's a really cool catch!!

Seemingly a little baby update to the 11.2 PTR? Looks like that CN Swimsuit and mount might show up in NA/EU as well?

Is that in the files? I really hope so, it looks really nice!

[vindicator782]

Lets hope not. That shit is so boring.

Everything to do with Zereth Mortis, the Jailer and the first ones needs to be abandoned completely, just never mention it again - no one with actual taste would be mad

[Joshuaj]

Everything to do with Zereth Mortis, the Jailer and the first ones needs to be abandoned completely, just never mention it again - no one with actual taste would be mad

Progenitors are mentioned VIA the Voidforged Overseer mount btw

[vindicator782]

ok, if this is true and k'aresh gains some life again and for ethereal they have a home, doesnt that literraly means that they wont be part of the horde or alliance? bc if they can rebuild there home, why would they join us?

Why do the Horde and Alliance even need to exist at this point narratively to be honest

[Joshuaj]

Light, Shadow, Order, Disorder, Life, and Death are here to stay, buddy!

[vindicator782]

Progenitors are mentioned VIA the Voidforged Overseer mount btw

A mount literally just copy and pasted from said patch that will never be obtainable by anyone on this website - come back when it's ever mentioned in the actual story going forward
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There is NOTHING more dull than over explaining your universe, the more they elaborate on the first ones the more inconsequential other plot beats feel and the more detrimental it is to the game; it simply no longer feels like Warcraft if you delve too much into the cosmic side of things

[13last]

ok, if this is true and k'aresh gains some life again and for ethereal they have a home, doesnt that literraly means that they wont be part of the horde or alliance? bc if they can rebuild there home, why would they join us?

Don't forget we still have Xal'ataths consume worldsoul spell which heavily points to her consuming K'aresh, maybe it's nothing or nothing happens with it, but I'm speculating that she'll consume K'aresh in 11.2.5 or prepatch?

Could be nothing but if it does turn out to be true I see Ethereals coming to Azeroth

[milkmustache]

Don't forget we still have Xal'ataths consume worldsoul spell which heavily points to her consuming K'aresh, maybe it's nothing or nothing happens with it, but I'm speculating that she'll consume K'aresh in 11.2.5 or prepatch?

Could be nothing but if it does turn out to be true I see Ethereals coming to Azeroth

Assuming that spell is used in the Dimensius fight, it would be cast before the epilogue/dungeon ending.

I'm still all in on Ethereals being playable with the Glamour as evidence, but I have no idea how we get there.

[Marlamin]

Is that in the files? I really hope so, it looks really nice!

Yeah, not decrypted for US/EU yet but there were some hotfixes for it 2 days ago (for US/EU too) which have now been baked into the build. I would not be surprised if either it or the set show up either on the store or on the trading post at some point.

[Kiivar86]

Speaking of things now that have to do with things later, I feel pretty confident that the entire purpose of the void glass areas and comet's destruction of Eco Dome: Rhovan is solely to familiarize players for when those same things thoroughly mess up Quel'thalas, especially since we have soft confirmation of the void glass meteors being dropped on QT.

I'm only just now playing the new patch (busy week) and I had that same thought as soon as I reached it. "oh yeah this is foreshadowing huh?"

[Cheezits]

Don't forget we still have Xal'ataths consume worldsoul spell which heavily points to her consuming K'aresh, maybe it's nothing or nothing happens with it, but I'm speculating that she'll consume K'aresh in 11.2.5 or prepatch?

Could be nothing but if it does turn out to be true I see Ethereals coming to Azeroth

That spell is part of the fight, and it seems like she consumes it to attack Dimensius, so it's not K'aresh as that bit with Soul Scribe happens after the raid.

[Ersula]

How? It doesn't change anything about the race themselves, and if anything the revitalization of K'aresh means that the Ethereals are likely to stop being wandering traders always in other places and try and resettle the fragments of K'aresh--not decide to move to Azeroth on a more permanent level.

I can see them wanting to help our Worldsoul now that we've helped theirs. Plus, there's already Ethereals who've basically given up on K'aresh & just have been living on Azeroth for decades... Are all these Transmogrifiers & Reforgers supposed to be non-canon?

It's right there on the audio, she wants to become the All-Devouring.

Where? I can't find dialog where she says anything like that, besides it being the popular theory on this forum. There is a consume worldsoul attack she uses (against Dimensius) but that appears to only be done to kill Dimensius. We've theorized she siphons power from the worldsouls Dimensius has already consumed.

Forget DBZ powerscalling here, Dimensius is a Galactus-being, a living black hole, that wants to consume creation. It's not a power-leveling issue, the bigger the worldsoul is, the bigger the buffet is.

It's all about energy and how pure energy the Worldsouls are, some cosmic forces wants to transmog it to its type (Titans, Death, Spirit), others wants to consume it.

You don't see how filling the universe with godlike offspring might be better than becoming a big dumb vacuum monster we already killed?

[Eldryth]

I can see them wanting to help our Worldsoul now that we've helped theirs.

I wouldn't be surprised if K'aresh himself tells them to help Azeroth. I still think that the item description about his message reaching across the stars to reach just one person will turn out to be something real and important, and having two Worldsouls actually interact- maybe even form an alliance or friendship- could be interesting.

Where? I can't find dialog where she says anything like that, besides it being the popular theory on this forum.

Major spoilers in the link, but Alleria does talk about stopping Xal'atath from becoming the new All-Devouring. With that said, she was wrong about Phase-Thief Azir working for Xal'atath, so I wouldn't entirely rule out a misunderstanding here.

[13last]

That spell is part of the fight, and it seems like she consumes it to attack Dimensius, so it's not K'aresh as that bit with Soul Scribe happens after the raid.

Is that confirmed? Just wanted to make sure because I don't see it in the fight journal and it's Uncategorized in wowhead instead of NPC abilities.

But damn my theory goes out the window if it's part of the fight.

[Cheezits]

Regarding the Ethereals- I just remembered the lore, or lack of it, on why the Dracthyr joined the factions: because a dragon told them to.

That's all you need. It's flimsy, and it barely feels like the Dracs are part of the factions, but there really isn't much required according to Blizzard.

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Is that confirmed? Just wanted to make sure because I don't see it in the fight journal and it's Uncategorized in wowhead instead of NPC abilities.

But damn my theory goes out the window if it's part of the fight.

It's not confirmed but Xal unleashes a "devastating counterattack" on Dimensius (you can see this mentioned in the journal) and I assumed she needed to consume a soul to do it.

Though it's very possible that she swoops in last second and eats K'aresh's newly restored worldsoul at the very end of the epilogue, and that is the "surprise" and impetus for Ethereals to go kill her.

Or, the campaign ends with K'aresh talking to Ve'nari with some kind of "we need to make a plan" and that's what sends them to Azeroth. K'aresh protecting another worldsoul.