The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

I like K'aresh because it's a vast open zone that's in space. Which reminds me of Outland a lot.

[Hitei]

I was so, so lucky because I managed to get out of the Garrison meatgrinder very quickly, and once you actually got past the Garrison, it was fine. I just had to make sure to never actually return to it.

But yeah, WoD and SL have both been equally bad launches. SL was pretty much unplayable on any big real (at least in EU).

SL was entirely smooth for me. WoD was laggy at the garrison bottleneck, but I feel like anyone describing it as "the worst launch ever" has forgotten the absolute shitshow that was Vashj'ir or Jade Forest on MoP/Cata launch, and I don't think any expansion launch has ever been as actually gamebreaking as 1.11 was, where world servers on some realms were constantly crashing for like two weeks.

[Khaza-R]

Well, they could have had the entry to Khaz Algar at Uldaman, and replace the boring Isle of Dorn with the Rootlands. Revamp Badlands for the Pre-patch as mini zone, and have Dornogal as part of the Ringing Deps.

I like that idea.

If it wasn’t an underground expansion - then either central - lower Kalimdor or the below the Thandol Span down to STV in the EK.

As far as zones go, congest the zones into larger ones completely revamped.

Lower EK:

Khaz Modan - Dun Morogh, Loch Modan, Wetlands, Twilight Highlands

Stormwind - Elwynn, Westfall, Redbridge, Duskwood, Deadwind Pass

Stranglethorn Vale? The Eastern Cape? - Stranglethorn, Swamp of Sorrows, Blasted Lands

Blackrock Mountain - Badlands, Searing Gorge, Burning Steppes.

Patch content could be Khaz Algar which is reached via Uldaman like Lady Atia said, and the Rootlands.

Actually, after typing this out, Southern EK feels more likely than Southern Kalimdor due to the Earthen and Dwarven roles being much more fitting when considering Uldaman, Khaz Modan, Blackrock etc.

I think the big thing is what really evokes vanilla the most. I think there's a few answers to that.

For me I think they probably would of stuck to southern Kalimdor.

- You could of foreshadowed the sword but not dealt with it.
- We could have a Qiraji plot similar to the Nerubians. They are the only major enemies from vanilla we never revisited
- Revamped Gadgetzan instead of Undermine
- Maybe had the lost Tortollan city from Hearthstone in Un'goro

[Darkarath]

I like K'aresh because it's a vast open zone that's in space. Which reminds me of Outland a lot.

Yeah K'aresh music and visuals are top IMO. Although I liked Outland's eco-domes more. The exterior part. The interior is cool.

For me Khaz Algar is the best continent ever made, followed by the Dragon Isles. That's why I have such high hopes for Midnight. Seeing QT with current quality has to be amazing.

[Santandame]

I like that idea.



I think the big thing is what really evokes vanilla the most. I think there's a few answers to that.

For me I think they probably would of stuck to southern Kalimdor.

- You could of foreshadowed the sword but not dealt with it.
- We could have a Qiraji plot similar to the Nerubians. They are the only major enemies from vanilla we never revisited
- Revamped Gadgetzan instead of Undermine
- Maybe had the lost Tortollan city from Hearthstone in Un'goro

That makes sense. You could have also tied in Khaz Algar with the going ons at that Dwarven bunker in the Barrens.

[Khaza-R]

I would actually have preferred more claustrophobia. There's only a handful of places in the entirety of Khaz Algar where you get actual tunnels or caves, so it mostly ends up feeling like three large caverns. I think it doesn't help that 1 of the 4 launch zones and the main city are both outdoors. Dornogal is great but I think it would have been better if it were the exact same but at the base of that first coreway tunnel rather than the top.

I agree with this. The main hub should of been underground either way and could of given them a chance to make some really fantastical skyboxes

I think if you're going to explore a concept like an underground expansion, that we might not see again for another 20 years. You might as well go all in on the design and not be timid about it

[xskarma]

The realization just hit me that we will be going into Midnight, and that the Belves will be front and center, and that it is very very likely that in addition to Aleria the OTHER Windrunners will be a huge part of the story.

And I can just feeeeeeeeel it in my bones that Blizzard will end up making the Windrunners, and Sylvanas in particular the new capital letter HEROES of this saga.

I love Aleria, I'm a voidelf main, I've loved everything about everything so far this expansion. But even I'm kind of over the constant Aleria interactions. If this turns out to be just chapter one of a 3 part saga where we end up glorifying the Windrunners throughout, then I am going to absolutely hate life circa mid next expansion already.

[Raetary]

As much as i love Dornogal, i was disappointed when we learnt that it was above ground.

It'd been so much more exciting were it embedded in the cave walls of the Ringing Deeps, reminiscent of Ironforge.

[Hearthfinder]

Kalimdor is in a weird situation because there's not a whole lot of recent history there. Sure we have some Night Elf lore from the ancient past, as well as Tauren and stuff. But the Eastern Kingdoms were pretty much host to all of recorded history that's relevant.

If we return to Kalimdor in an expansion, it would almost have to be through some type of revamp with the southern half of the continent in particular just being this big, open space for adventure and survival gameplay.

It's medieval Europe vs. The New World effectively.

[Nymrohd]

What I want to know is, will Vereesa's children be featured and if yes, how big will their teeth be?

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The realization just hit me that we will be going into Midnight, and that the Belves will be front and center, and that it is very very likely that in addition to Aleria the OTHER Windrunners will be a huge part of the story.

And I can just feeeeeeeeel it in my bones that Blizzard will end up making the Windrunners, and Sylvanas in particular the new capital letter HEROES of this saga.

I love Aleria, I'm a voidelf main, I've loved everything about everything so far this expansion. But even I'm kind of over the constant Aleria interactions. If this turns out to be just chapter one of a 3 part saga where we end up glorifying the Windrunners throughout, then I am going to absolutely hate life circa mid next expansion already.

Yeah, leaving the Sylvanas trilogy to go to the Alleria trilogy was not particularly enlightened of Blizzard

[13last]

The realization just hit me that we will be going into Midnight, and that the Belves will be front and center, and that it is very very likely that in addition to Aleria the OTHER Windrunners will be a huge part of the story.

And I can just feeeeeeeeel it in my bones that Blizzard will end up making the Windrunners, and Sylvanas in particular the new capital letter HEROES of this saga.

I love Aleria, I'm a voidelf main, I've loved everything about everything so far this expansion. But even I'm kind of over the constant Aleria interactions. If this turns out to be just chapter one of a 3 part saga where we end up glorifying the Windrunners throughout, then I am going to absolutely hate life circa mid next expansion already.

Well you better be ready for Sylvanas to save her sisters and all of Quel'thalas lol. I know they probably won't do it, but heck we know the void is scared of Sylvanas or something she knows, and take into account Venari telling Xal'atath I know what the void fears in the Maw, I'm willing to bet we'll see Sylvanas/the Primus somehow connected to Quel'thalas.

[Enrif]

The realization just hit me that we will be going into Midnight, and that the Belves will be front and center, and that it is very very likely that in addition to Aleria the OTHER Windrunners will be a huge part of the story.

And I can just feeeeeeeeel it in my bones that Blizzard will end up making the Windrunners, and Sylvanas in particular the new capital letter HEROES of this saga.

I love Aleria, I'm a voidelf main, I've loved everything about everything so far this expansion. But even I'm kind of over the constant Aleria interactions. If this turns out to be just chapter one of a 3 part saga where we end up glorifying the Windrunners throughout, then I am going to absolutely hate life circa mid next expansion already.

Don’t worry, I think Midnight will be the finale for the Windrunners, at least for a while. I don’t see them fitting for TLT. I think there we might go back to Jaina, Anduin and Magni for Alliance characters. Not sure who from the horde will go ahead. Thrall, likely to match Jaina and to remember the first time he failed with Garrosh, but who else? Calia would be a contentious pick. Baine for the Taunka connection? Talanji,Rhokan or Volˋjins ghost for the frost trolls? Sylvans for a redemption tour? The Titan plot is somewhat more difficult to connect to the horde, even though there are connections that could be used.

[Jastall]

The realization just hit me that we will be going into Midnight, and that the Belves will be front and center, and that it is very very likely that in addition to Aleria the OTHER Windrunners will be a huge part of the story.

And I can just feeeeeeeeel it in my bones that Blizzard will end up making the Windrunners, and Sylvanas in particular the new capital letter HEROES of this saga.

I love Aleria, I'm a voidelf main, I've loved everything about everything so far this expansion. But even I'm kind of over the constant Aleria interactions. If this turns out to be just chapter one of a 3 part saga where we end up glorifying the Windrunners throughout, then I am going to absolutely hate life circa mid next expansion already.

You're going to have a story filled with elves and humans and you're going to like it. We're already lucky enough to have gotten Dwarf and Goblin spotlight in War Within as it is, but the main characters will only ever be elves and humans, now that the Orcs ones are pretty much all dead.

[Magistrate]

Kalimdor is in a weird situation because there's not a whole lot of recent history there. Sure we have some Night Elf lore from the ancient past, as well as Tauren and stuff. But the Eastern Kingdoms were pretty much host to all of recorded history that's relevant.

If we return to Kalimdor in an expansion, it would almost have to be through some type of revamp with the southern half of the continent in particular just being this big, open space for adventure and survival gameplay.

It's medieval Europe vs. The New World effectively.

We fought multiple recent wars in kalimdor, including the fourth war. It also has the sword impact, destroyed teldrassil, we fought against nzoth in uldum, probably other things...

[Hitei]

The realization just hit me that we will be going into Midnight, and that the Belves will be front and center, and that it is very very likely that in addition to Aleria the OTHER Windrunners will be a huge part of the story.

And I can just feeeeeeeeel it in my bones that Blizzard will end up making the Windrunners, and Sylvanas in particular the new capital letter HEROES of this saga.

I love Aleria, I'm a voidelf main, I've loved everything about everything so far this expansion. But even I'm kind of over the constant Aleria interactions. If this turns out to be just chapter one of a 3 part saga where we end up glorifying the Windrunners throughout, then I am going to absolutely hate life circa mid next expansion already.

I'm just gonna keep bringing it up:

the Worldsoul Saga musical theme is just Alleria's leitmotif.

Alleria is gonna be the front and center of the Saga. The entire Saga. The Saga's musical theme is three parts, a sort of adventure-y swelling brass version of Alleria's theme (The War Within), then a creepy dark, harp and woodwind version of Alleria's theme (Midnight), then a sombre 'finality' choir and strings version of Alleria's theme (The Last Titan).

I'm not sure it's even feasible to question that she is going to be front and center the whole time, and I would not be shocked if the actual purpose of Soulscribe is just to foreshadow Alleria somehow combining with Azeroth to revive her at the end of the Saga.

[Nymrohd]

Btw I wish they used Dagran more. I hope he is center of the story in TLT

[Enrif]

Btw I wish they used Dagran more. I hope he is center of the story in TLT

Dagran for TLT is likely a good call. Not only because of his titan expertise shown during TWW, but as future King of two of three dwarves clans, he could bring in the northrend earthen, iron dwarves and frostborne

[Joshuaj]

I'm just gonna keep bringing it up:



Alleria is gonna be the front and center of the Saga. The entire Saga. The Saga's musical theme is three parts, a sort of adventure-y swelling brass version of Alleria's theme (The War Within), then a creepy dark, harp and woodwind version of Alleria's theme (Midnight), then a sombre 'finality' choir and strings version of Alleria's theme (The Last Titan).

I'm not sure it's even feasible to question that she is going to be front and center the whole time, and I would not be shocked if the actual purpose of Soulscribe is just to foreshadow Alleria somehow combining with Azeroth to revive her at the end of the Saga.

Lmao Imagine Turalyon banging the mortal avatar of Azeroth itself...

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Low-key would be the real winner of the Worldsoul Saga.

[Santandame]

I'm just gonna keep bringing it up:



Alleria is gonna be the front and center of the Saga. The entire Saga. The Saga's musical theme is three parts, a sort of adventure-y swelling brass version of Alleria's theme (The War Within), then a creepy dark, harp and woodwind version of Alleria's theme (Midnight), then a sombre 'finality' choir and strings version of Alleria's theme (The Last Titan).

I'm not sure it's even feasible to question that she is going to be front and center the whole time, and I would not be shocked if the actual purpose of Soulscribe is just to foreshadow Alleria somehow combining with Azeroth to revive her at the end of the Saga.

I had always hoped that if we ever got a mortal avatar of Azeroth it would have been Azshara. If only for a short time.

[Hearthfinder]

We fought multiple recent wars in kalimdor, including the fourth war. It also has the sword impact, destroyed teldrassil, we fought against nzoth in uldum, probably other things...

Yes but that's a bit like saying an atoll in the middle of the Pacific has rich history because a battle was fought there during WW2.

What I'm trying to say is that Kalimdor has interesting ancient history and very recent history (the past couple of decades). Even the Night Elves had been withdrawn during the Long Vigil.