The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Darkarath]

I do not believe this is the case. However, if this is the case, then it is better that it dies.

I honestly think that It could be one of the few things that can save the game from dying.

FFXIV did this successfully.

[Skildar]

completing groups with bots passed some wait time in Looking For Group could be an interesting addition but I fear it's all about treating a symptom rather than the source of the issue. Merging heroic and normal mode dungeon should be their first step in fixing queues and adding more opportunities and incentives to do previous expansion lfg should be their second

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I honestly think that It could be one of the few things that can save the game from dying.

FFXIV did this successfully.

Again, I can't disagree enough. I believe the playerbase may be retained by maintaining a niche, which may yet be done by leaning into the RPG and MMO elements of the game instead of try to maintain mass appeal by compromising on the soul of the genre. If making the game into a lobby game really is the only way to save the game, then the game deserves to die. There is no use preserving an MMORPG that is neither a fundamentally multiplayer experience nor a roleplaying game.

[Darkarath]

completing groups with bots passed some wait time in Looking For Group could be an interesting addition but I fear it's all about treating a symptom rather than the source of the issue. Merging heroic and normal mode dungeon should be their first step in fixing queues and adding more opportunities and incentives to do previous expansion lfg should be their second

At some point those queues times would be too much. In PvE this might not be an issue for now, except for Warfronts, but in PvP it is already a problem. Just make sure that both parties have the same amount of human players and we are good to go.

A system of PvE companions has unlimited potential, whether if it uses an NPC follower system or if we are able to play with our alts.

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Again, I can't disagree enough. I believe the playerbase may be retained by maintaining a niche, which may yet be done by leaning into the RPG and MMO elements of the game instead of try to maintain mass appeal by compromising on the soul of the genre. If making the game into a lobby game really is the only way to save the game, then the game deserves to die. There is no use preserving an MMORPG that is neither a fundamentally multiplayer experience nor a roleplaying game.

WoW has not been an RPG in quite some time. The MMO elements are there, but they are not as successful as they were before. People do not want social experiences. They just want to chill out and be able to advance in whatever their objectives are while being part of an online world and community, but without being forced to interact with other players. Genshin Impact is the perfect example of this new model that new online games are adapting.

I understand your point but honestly, for the majority of the playerbase I highly doubt that not having a social experience is relevant. I really believe that most WoW players play solo, grouping when needed.

Also if you apply this system just to heroic dungeons and maybe Mythic 0, you would still need people for the most challenging content. Plus it could be a good way of allow us to play any old dungeons or raids that we want, maybe even to get achievements that require a group and they are really hard to make these days. Hell, they could even tie this system to Archeology. Again, the potential is limitless and if well applied, it really would not change much of the current social experience.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You sorta have to be forced to interact with others at some point in a MMO, going 100% with that mindset you may as well do that with all forms of content...which is dumb.

[Lahis]

Whoever wrote the Blue Dragonflight questline needs to have a promotion so they can write the main story.

Please no. Then instead of writing good quests they have to violently and unelegantly smush in the main story designed by a committee in expansion draft meetings.

[Catastrophy349]

Oops. https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...519216130?s=20

[Lahis]

I don't think WoW needs this feature though. Its pretty solo friendly as it is.

Some people won't even do Heroic Dungeons or LFR because they are that allergic to human interaction. They ask bots to see the story.

[Khaza-R]

If people want to play with bots more power to them. I cannot fathom how boring that would be.

[Civciv]

Some people won't even do Heroic Dungeons or LFR because they are that allergic to human interaction. They ask bots to see the story.

Then they shouldn't play mmo?

[Revamp Man]

Then they shouldn't play mmo?

No no no
You can't say that because "I pay my 15 a month too"
You big bully

People just have a hard time realizing sometimes the game isn't meant for how they want to play.
"This pushes players away and makes grouping harder"
Can't group with pure solo players
Can't tell them to wait until they can solo because the first excuse

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Ethereal planet wasn't actually destroyed just swallowed by a pocket dimension where it still exists
BOOM
Hello galifrey

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Good catch. I never noticed that as well. One would think Vyranoth would know a great deal then since she used it to find the location of Aberrus.

I think the biggest hurdle to her changing sides is that she seems to be very apathetic. She's pretty unphased by anything Alexstrasza says. I can't really see her suddenly changing course unless Iridikron becomes guilty of the same thing she accuses the Aspects of.

Her motivation seems to be anger based on the cinematic
Guarantee there will be a "I shall never serve" moment with her as well and it will be revealed that she was Alex's bang sister

[Revamp Man]

Got me some juicy details about the future of WoW.

There will be no patch 10.3. Patch 10.2 will launch right after Blizzcon. Patch 10.2.5 will be the last content patch. The expansion ends with a megadungeon where we fight Xal’atath. She wins and resurrects Galakrond, which causes ‘the second Cataclysm’.

The next expansion will be called Tides of Darkness.
Theme: Void invades Azeroth, main antagonist is Azshara
Setting: South Seas + EK/Kalimdor (light revamp)
Some important characters: Thrall, Yrel, Iridikron, Azshara, Illidan, Sargeras
New races: Vrykul for Alliance and Mok’nathal for Horde
Fourth specs for original classes (example shaman tank spec)
New mount types such as underwater mounts and boats
Class halls return

Why is Light Hitler there??

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It would be a good addition. Playing an MMO does not necessarily mean playing with other players. Allow those who want to play solo to do so, that's all.

You do a little too much with your dramas...

What does mmo stand for?

[Hitei]

At some point those queues times would be too much. In PvE this might not be an issue for now, except for Warfronts, but in PvP it is already a problem. Just make sure that both parties have the same amount of human players and we are good to go.

A system of PvE companions has unlimited potential, whether if it uses an NPC follower system or if we are able to play with our alts.

This makes no sense. If you're PvPing against NPCs it's no longer PvP.

[Cheezits]

Oops. https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/16...519216130?s=20

Time to foreshadow the new Scarlet leader.

[Civciv]

That it's a multiplayer online game, not that it necessarily involves having to play with them for the content. The social aspect can be represented in many different ways than setting up groups without anyone talking to each other.

Sorry, mmo is not the right game for that kind of people.

[Hitei]

I'm going to laugh when the revamp happens and it's unironically Forsaken fighting the Scarlet Crusade in Tirisfal Glades for the third time while Stormwind is dealing with the Defias for the third time.

[Cheezits]

I'm going to laugh when the revamp happens and it's unironically Forsaken fighting the Scarlet Crusade in Tirisfal Glades for the third time while Stormwind is dealing with the Defias for the third time.

They already set up that the new human story is nobles vs commoners. But yeah its Scarlets again, with Calia's kid maybe.

[Revamp Man]

That it's a multiplayer online game, not that it necessarily involves having to play with them for the content. The social aspect can be represented in many different ways than setting up groups without anyone talking to each other.

you dont have to play with other players for content
you have to play with other player for the multiplayer content until the next expansion where it becomes solo contant

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They already set up that the new human story is nobles vs commoners. But yeah its Scarlets again, with Calia's kid maybe.

a fake heir
they claim it is her son but she had a daughter

good set up for the "OMG BOLVAR IS HER HUBBY AND THEIR DAUGHTER IS THE LIVING HEIR!!!!"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'm going to laugh when the revamp happens and it's unironically Forsaken fighting the Scarlet Crusade in Tirisfal Glades for the third time while Stormwind is dealing with the Defias for the third time.

Honestly a new scarlet crusade forming after being disgruntled with how anduin ended the war with no payback for what the horde did would be pretty fitting and would give them the chance to expand beyond it just being humans.

[Hitei]

Honestly a new scarlet crusade forming after being disgruntled with how anduin ended the war with no payback for what the horde did would be pretty fitting and would give them the chance to expand beyond it just being humans.

Why even call themselves Scarlets at that point, rather than like, New Arathor/Lordaeron?