The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

That is a pretty good theory. You should have focused on those details. Because like I said the "Blue equals magic therefor white equals holy?" part you went into a lot of detail in your post is nonsense.

It's not just cuz white equal holy.... It's more nuanced than that.

Tyr has the whole silver gimmick and these DR white silver looking scales have no source...

If Amitus did empower dralad through Tyr after a resurrection then he could be turned silver as part of the process, since he's originally orange, which is a stupid color

[Lahis]

A cata revamp isn't even remotely enough. Cata EK and Kalimdor are (non-hyperbolic) 95% identical to the Vanilla zones. They use some better textures, they half-fix some of the wonky unfinished terrain on borders or behind mountains, and then they layered on some destruction or changes in specific zones, the volcano in Ashenvale, the water in 1k Needles, the green in Desolace and Barrens, the destroyed land in Darkshore and westfall, new buildings in Tirisfal and Silverpine, etc.

A cata revamp is nothing. It needs to be WoD level.

Which is why they will never do revamp. It is way too much work for no gains.

[Luck4]

So, let's pretend for a second that 11.0 is 100% a Void expansion. What would be the coolest way to implement this theme in terms of our leveling/zones/continent to play?

This is the problem, most Void-related stuff hasn't even been introduced, we don't know what the Void Realm is called, and we don't know any Void Lord by name nor what they look like.

So, going to "Voidlands" in 11.0 wouldn't be much different from going to Shadowlands in 9.0; although we knew the Death Realm by name, we didn't know anything about the Jailer, the Death Pantheon, or how Shadowlands looked like since it's the afterlife realm. The only clue we had was Sylvanas vision when she fell from the top of Icecrown in Edge of the Night.

That's why I think we need more supplementary material to give more hints and a cohesive transition to these cosmic planes expansions; if a World Revamp is not possible Blizzard should make another stand-alone/narrative-driven game such as Warcraft RTS or the canceled Warcraft Adventures (an animated TV series would work too), to give more depth to these comics planes/threats.

As it stands now, there're not many things that would hype me for a Void expansion, other than Void Elves and Alleria development, Ethereals, and K'aresh. I know we also have Xal'atath that is a known character that's pretty much confirmed to appear and perhaps Azshara although I wouldn't like to see her so soon. For the Light side, however, there's a lot more that I would like to see further development, such as Yrel and the Lightbound, Turalyon, and the Lightforged goals, a possible Scarlet Crusade comeback, whereabouts of Lorthraxion, more depth on Naaru lore.

Just my 2 cents.

[Polybius]

Which is why they will never do revamp. It is way too much work for no gains.

WoD was hurt by devs scrapping it but still came out on top in zone and encounter design. Character remodels took a chunk out of their time, with no real shortcuts like Legion where we had less weapon models for more spell updates.

They can most definitely pull it off as shown in Cata and WoD. They’ve had years to learn from their patch/xpac cycles.

[Luck4]

The problem isn't so much the Cosmic realms, as it is the lack of build up to them.

Yeah, people forget that Northrend was just a generic icecap with snow in nearly every single zone, but the lore build-up made that bland polar continent one of the best expansions we had.

[Nymrohd]

6.2 Archimonde death cinematic, 7.3 Antorus final cinematic showed us that in game cinematics can tease next expansion.

Yes, the final ones.

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I had this concept for a Void expansion during Legion where we found information in Antorus that the whole "We've conquered the entire universe and only Azeroth is left" was just propaganda and the Legion is fighting and losing a battle in a Void-infested planet that has a World Soul, trying to delay until Sargeras can get there (oops). With the Legion gone, we would have to take their place and go there to stop a Dark Titan from happening. The reason we'd see the place in a single expansion would be that much of the planet was fully under Old God control; those areas would not be accessible but rather just skyboxes. We'd be fighting in a limited few areas joined with a local resistance and including some left over Legion demons only in the end to realize it was hopeless and the Dark Titan was imminent and be forced to nuke the planet, taking some of the resistance with us to Azeroth while others would refuse to agree with out plan and end up as collateral. Really grim concept but would have been fun for after Legion. And you could do a Void Theme that way without concluding Void plots in Azeroth but still using it as an opportunity to fully explore the relation between Old Gods and Void Lords.

[Raetary]

Really debatable.

No, sorry but it really fucking isn't.

It's the most blatant tease and foreshadowing Blizzard has done so far.

The figure matches Xals void elf silhouette completely and she's the only character that has the relevant connections to fit in there.

Unless you know some other void related thalassian elf that just happens to have the same shoulderpad-less silhouette and bob cut to match, then idk how you could possibly deny this.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

still - team revamp.

[Nymrohd]

No, sorry but it really fucking isn't.

It's the most blatant tease and foreshadowing Blizzard has done so far.

The figure matches Xals void elf silhouette completely and she's the only character that has the relevant connections to fit in there.

Unless you know some other void related thalassian elf that just happens to have the same shoulderpad-less silhouette and bob cut to match, then idk how you could possibly deny this.

I don't know the silhouettes are similar. If anything, Xal's ears go up while Azshara's go back which matches the figure better.
I also think it is Xal but I am not going to say it is 100% her

[Nymrohd]

The thing I don't get is why would Azshara stay Void-aligned?

[Hitei]

The figure matches Xals void elf silhouette completely and she's the only character that has the relevant connections to fit in there.

It really doesn't though. It's nowhere near as sharply cut in the waist as void/blood elves are, it's much closer to a night elf silhouette and the ears are distinctly more night elf than blood/void elf.

[Nibelheimy]

I also see no reason for Azshara to represent void. She became old god aligned through necessity, not choice. The reason she's so likeable I feel is her thirst for power which will inevitably be her downfall. The whole idea that she would rule beside N'Zoth as queen when in reality he was just using her is very human and makes her a great flawed character. It would be a big mistake if she turns up out of nowhere going 'Yeah I'm void now'.

I'd much rather she try to take on elune/take elunes place if it turns out elune is life aligned in a wake up kill god kind of way.

I think people are trying to align a lot of the recent surviving villains into some sort of supergroup when really they don't really have any reason to be around eachother. Save Xal'atath and Iridikron, who are surely using eachother as a temporary alliance to further their own seemingly distinct goals.

Azshara is a great villain, and really truly deserved her own expansion. The warbringer cinematic with her and N'Zoth was fantastic, and it's a shame Nazjatar was as small/limited as it was. I'm pretty sure I remember in one interview they stated the environment would change with certain zone events and some water streams would flow differently or stop flowing all together, allowing you to reach different areas.. Whatever happened to that?

I remember back in Cata times walking to high school with my wow friends crafting the Azshara expansion in our heads. With Nazjatar, the Makura as the nerubian counterpart to nerubian for n'zoth, Daelin proudmoore as some Davey Jones esque old god corrupted captain of a squid crew or some kind of ghost ship fleet. We were desperate to find out what happened to Neptulon and Ozumat. Man the dark below trademark and the gorgeous underwater login screen really rustled my jimmies.

Azshara wants to be worshipped, she wants a high seat of power I.e that of a god, or possibly even the world soul itself. Maybe she will try to become Azeroth, infusing herself into the world soul in a Septhiroth vibe, to be born again in time as a celestial titan level being.

[Hitei]

I also see no reason for Azshara to represent void. She became old god aligned through necessity, not choice. The reason she's so likeable I feel is her thirst for power which will inevitably be her downfall. The whole idea that she would rule beside N'Zoth as queen when in reality he was just using her is very human and makes her a great flawed character. It would be a big mistake if she turns up out of nowhere going 'Yeah I'm void now'.

...the last time we saw her, she was literally walking into a void portal and talking about how she was going to go claim the "true throne of power". She was never trying to rule at N'zoth's side, after the deal was struck she was always just attempting to use him and the powers/forces she gained from him for her own ends.

Why on earth would she try throwing herself into a world soul when she knows that the Void can corrupt and enslave world souls and that even the Titans are terrified of it?

[Nibelheimy]

...the last time we saw her, she was literally walking into a void portal and talking about how she was going to go claim the "true throne of power". She was never trying to rule at N'zoth's side, after the deal was struck she was always just attempting to use him and the powers/forces she gained from him for her own ends.

Why on earth would she try throwing herself into a world soul when she knows that the Void can corrupt and enslave world souls and that even the Titans are terrified of it?

Was she not just leaving Nyalotha? She voided out of it very much like we the player character, using every possible element of magic does. My screen turned purple and had eyes on it too and I don't see my holy paladin being void aligned.

The true throne of power is probably Azeroth. All the cosmic forces want it, and we've been hinted at this '7th force' which in all likeliness is probably related to Azeroth itself. By merging with the world soul she accends beyond humanity, which is pretty much the end goal for her character and her development. My point was whatever she does will inevitably be her downfall too.

So if she were to merge with Azeroth, whatever the outcome of the planet, it would not work well for her. She's the kind of character to bring Sargeras, a planet cleaving fel infused chaos psycho to Azeroth so she can jump his bones, I think she's capeable.

[Hitei]

Was she not just walking out of Nyalotha? She voided out of it very much like we the player character, using every possible element of magic does. My screen turned purple and had eyes on it too and I don't see my holy paladin being void aligned.

The true throne of power is probably Azeroth. All the cosmic forces want it, and we've been hinted at this '7th force' which in all likeliness is probably related to Azeroth itself. By merging with the world soul she accends beyond humanity, which is pretty much the end goal for her character and her development. My point was whatever she does will inevitably be her downfall too.

So if she were to merge with Azeroth, whatever the outcome of the planet, it would not work well for her.

My guy.

Rise, rise! Our Queen calls to us from beyond the Umbral Veil. She has transcended the Circle of Stars and basks in her eternal grandeur!

She is void aligned. She has never been "humanity", certainly not any time in the past 10,000 years. She decided being queen of the physical planet was for chumps and that she was going to be Void Queen.

[Nibelheimy]

My guy.



She is void aligned. She has never been "humanity", certainly not any time in the past 10,000 years. She decided being queen of the physical planet was for chumps and that she was going to be Void Queen.

You misinterpret my words and take Ingame snippets we don't know the true meaning of as gospel.

Maybe if the planet gets void corrupted, and the planet born a void titan, and she's infused herself into the planet, maybe she'll be reborn a big bad void titan queen with tentacles and everything.

Little too 5head jailer for me though.

I mean one minute you're saying why would she risk getting corrupted by void even the titans are scared of it, next post she wants to be void queen. I don't get it my guy.

Again, it's a bit of a shame to waste Azshara on lol void though, and I'm a biiig old god void fan.

[Nymrohd]

My guy.



She is void aligned. She has never been "humanity", certainly not any time in the past 10,000 years. She decided being queen of the physical planet was for chumps and that she was going to be Void Queen.

Or she is just using a magic she has mastered over the course of ages. We don't consider every arcanist Order aligned because they use arcane magic.

[Mecheon]

Wasn't it moved to compensate the Dragon Isles being re-discovered and added in? Plus, what's even left to include that's near Kalimdor.. The only thing that comes to mind is Tel'Abim

Based on this map from the Chronicles: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wo...20180325215922

Even then, it's too small for anything worthwhile aside from maybe a location.. and all we know about Tel'Abim is that bananas grow there.

Dragon Isles was added on the other side of the world, over near EK. No reason for Kalimdor to have moved, especially given Kalimdor was moved closer to the Maelstrom, not closer to the map border

We know one other thing about Tel'abim, and that's that a certain Nightsquall pirate who's found Something out west has also apparently burried so much treasure there that the island is higher than it used to be

[Hitei]

You misinterpret my words and take Ingame snippets we don't know the true meaning of as gospel.

Maybe if the planet gets void corrupted, and the planet born a void titan, and she's infused herself into the planet, maybe she'll be reborn a big bad void titan queen with tentacles and everything.

Little too 5head jailer for me.

I... do you think her forces are just making shit up about where she currently is? If they're saying she's beyond the Umbral (read: Shadowy, dark; a word constantly used in WoW to refer to void or shadow magic using things) Veil, I think it's pretty safe to say that she is currently fucking around with void related things.

There's no 5head here.

She was working, begrudgingly for N'zoth, attempting to use the situation to her advantage, then N'zoth screwed her over for trying to get the best of him. She decided she was tired of screwing around in the small league and was going to go straight to N'zoth's boss, the cosmic force that even Sargeras went mad in fear of, and get power directly from the top instead.

[Nibelheimy]

I... do you think her forces are just making shit up about where she currently is? If they're saying she's beyond the Umbral (read: Shadowy, dark; a word constantly used in WoW to refer to void or shadow magic using things) Veil, I think it's pretty safe to say that she is currently fucking around with void related things.

There's no 5head here.

She was working, begrudgingly for N'zoth, attempting to use the situation to her advantage, then N'zoth screwed her over for trying to get the best of him. She decided she was tired of screwing around in the small league and was going to go straight to N'zoth's boss, the cosmic force that even Sargeras went mad in fear of, and get power directly from the top instead.

She couldn't even handle N'zoth whilst he was imprisoned. Now she's void hopping free will and becoming a void queen. Maybe she should of just gone straight to the boss immediately instead of helping set him free and working for him begrudgingly?

That's if the book is even about Azshara, I've read it multiple times. It's also plausible the queen is Xal'atath and the harbinger Iridikron, and considering the person in the silhouette is 99% Xal'atath. I wouldn't count any chickens just yet.

A lot of these types of texts are out of context similar to the whispers. Maybe we find out next patch, maybe in 10 years 5 expansions down the line.