The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

He doesn't have to be stupid. Just ignorant of the Titan's actual power level. Which he doesn't really have any actual access to reliable information on, so that would be expected, not surprising.

Indeed, Iridikron might be judging the Titan's power level based on their keepers. If he thinks they are second in command and he probably feels he can wipe them out easily then he might think he stands a chance against a Titan.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

If only. This entire expansion has been so aggressively twee that I want to reach through my skull and tear out my occipital lobe. If we got a little struggle in the oncoming patches, I'd be sooooo happy.

A small adjustment of the "HAPPI WHIMSY TIMES" is all that is necessary. I still say to this day Zaralek Caverns would of benefitted more with a more serious approach to the caverns instead of overbearing Mole LOL FUNNIES. When the serious stuff about Neltharion started and some Titan stuff, it was good.

If true, can't wait to hear how their retroactive and nonsensical explanation as to why there are only seven seats in the Seat of the Pantheon.

(Warning, speculation and not accurate so no tears xd)They don't even know she exists is how I'd do it. At some point Amitus was born and is looking for those like her.

He doesn't have to be stupid. Just ignorant of the Titan's actual power level. Which he doesn't really have any actual access to reliable information on, so that would be expected, not surprising.

Well yeah and it wouldn't be a horrible twist. I also have to wonder what exactly Xal'atath(If thats really her) intends on all of this.

[Foolicious]

What is everyone's "TOP" speculation/guess for 11.0 right now? Not what you "hope for", but what you "think" will happen based on current lore/speculation?

Xal'atath and Azshara as main villains with avaloren as new zone.

[Cheezits]

I doubt the issue is Grounded vs Cosmic and more people wanting EK/Kalimdor with race stories. The tone being too positive is one thing, but the Dragon Isles are too distant in story from most of the WoW races and factions. People will complain if the next expansion is an entirely new continent or planet as well.

Like do you remember Khadgar is a part of the story? Because i forgot until I was writing this.

The expansion is DELIBERATELY anti-faction and anti-EK/Kalimdor. Partially one of the reasons I think it may have been made with a revamp in mind: they don't want ANY of the story to clash with their post-timeskip EK and Kalimdor when it is the new leveling experience.

[Raetary]

I think people are taking Iridikron lines too literally.

Iridikron is a schemer with a giant well of Information available to him thanks to Xal'atath.
I doubt he's unaware of the Titans lvl of power.

Nor do his lines make me think that he'll just try go toe to toe with them when the time comes, but rather that he's setting them up to fail.

[Catastrophy349]

I genuinely do wonder what a new continent would/could look like on the "other side/33% of/whatever" Azeroth? How large would it be? What would it look like on the map/mean to the overall lore? Etc.

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I doubt the issue is Grounded vs Cosmic and more people wanting EK/Kalimdor with race stories. The tone being too positive is one thing, but the Dragon Isles are too distant in story from most of the WoW races and factions.

Like do you remember Khadgar is a part of the story? Because i forgot until I was writing this.

The expansion is DELIBERATELY anti-faction and anti-EK/Kalimdor. Partially one of the reasons I think it may have been made with a revamp in mind: they don't want ANY of the story to clash with their post-timeskip EK and Kalimdor when it is the new leveling experience.

Personally, I just feel like Dragonflight (so far) has been ALL exposition and no real "BIG" moments, yet. Which can work "if" the rest of the expansion, and what's next (11.0) is all the result of the HUGE setup in Dragonflight. Imagine looking back in a few years and saying, "Damn, I'm glad they took their time to set everything up properly so that we understand everything back in DF." Although right now, we see it all as boring and lazy. Just a thought.

[Khaza-R]

Indeed, Iridikron might be judging the Titan's power level based on their keepers. If he thinks they are second in command and he probably feels he can wipe them out easily then he might think he stands a chance against a Titan.

Also tbf, he just says he will be waiting when they return. Which could also mean a trap rather than a direct fight.

Could be a scenario where the titans get weakened/banished and we need to find Amitus to save them.

[Catastrophy349]

Here some DF speculation.

Amitus the Peacekeeper will be made cannon.

Tyr will reveal that Alex and ysera's brother, dralad, is alive and is the 6th aspect as the aspect of light

Dralad was res'd by Tyr and resides in secret in Avaloren.

Dralad was empowered by Amitus through Tyr, similar to the other aspects who were empowered by the titans through keepers as conduits, and was turned into a silver dragon.

This is why we're getting those white scales for DR that still has no source

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...flight/1636338 Found this on the forums. Were you just "regurgitating" this?

[Cheezits]

Personally, I just feel like Dragonflight (so far) has been ALL exposition and no real "BIG" moments, yet. Which can work "if" the rest of the expansion, and what's next (11.0) is all the result of the HUGE setup in Dragonflight. Imagine looking back in a few years and saying, "Damn, I'm glad they took their time to set everything up properly so that we understand everything back in DF." Although right now, we see it all as boring and lazy. Just a thought.

I can see that. They are definitely taking their time: Iridikron isn't revealed until the very end of launch, and the true backstory isn't revealed until halfway through in an unreleased book. And now it looks like Iridikron isn't even the final boss.

I wonder if the "too positive" thing will be brought up at the next Danuser interview, because the tree plot will HAVE to end on a positive note as well.

[Murlocos]

I doubt the issue is Grounded vs Cosmic and more people wanting EK/Kalimdor with race stories. The tone being too positive is one thing, but the Dragon Isles are too distant in story from most of the WoW races and factions. People will complain if the next expansion is an entirely new continent or planet as well.

I agree with this. If the conversation has become "it has to be very grounded or very cosmic" then we've already lost, because we shouldn't need to be bouncing between extremes over and over again. I believe that the factions are so non-existent in Dragonflight precisely because of how toxic the faction war got in BfA, and that's entirely their fault. They wrote it, it's not like it came into being on its own. Blizzard in general, even outside of WoW, has a tendency to bounce between extremes when it comes to design, but it's getting very old with WoW's story in particular.

If the writers have to constantly be dragged kicking and screaming into the direction fans want on both a micro and macro level, and their more original concepts are decidedly rejected by the playerbase, then you have to start questioning whether they should be writing for this series at all.

[Catastrophy349]

I agree with this. If the conversation has become "it has to be very grounded or very cosmic" then we've already lost, because we shouldn't need to be bouncing between extremes over and over again. I believe that the factions are so non-existent in Dragonflight precisely because of how toxic the faction war got in BfA, and that's entirely their fault. They wrote it, it's not like it came into being on its own. Blizzard in general, even outside of WoW, has a tendency to bounce between extremes when it comes to design, but it's getting very old with WoW's story in particular.

If the writers have to constantly be dragged kicking and screaming into the direction fans want on both a micro and macro level, and their more original concepts are decidedly rejected by the playerbase, then you have to start questioning whether they should be writing for this series at all.

Overall, I do like DF (systems, revamps of systems, leveling, story, lore, etc.). However, one of my BIGGEST gripes has definitely been with the fact that we are sent to the Dragon Isles (by the Horde/Alliance), and yet, after that 5 minute introduction, we never see/hear of them again.

[Chickat]

Yeah not going to lie, but Seat of the Triumvirate is is one of the dungeons on that list I’m most happy to see.

Everbloom too.

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If it were to be nature themed dungeons to go with the nature patch then these would have made sense:

Everbloom
Darkheart Thicket
Waycrest Manor (Drust)
Mists of Tirna Sicthe

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In confused why you keep mentioning “domains” for the cosmic powers. Has there been anything to imply there is one for the other forces other than the Shadowlands?

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With each representing the races that make up the Heretics in Avaloren? Cheers, Ion.

Will never happen but I want wailing caverns to be relevant in an emerald dream patch.

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Shame about professions. I appreciate the new depth to them on my main, but I used to love levelling professions that matched alongside my alts. Now it's way too much a ballache to even begin that.

But I have a friend who plays specifically for professions and the auction house, to the point where thats literally all he does Ingame and he's having a blast.

How is he finding work orders?

[Well Done Steak]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...flight/1636338 Found this on the forums. Were you just "regurgitating" this?

"Well done steak"

Tauren toon

[Sondrelk]

Well, considering that DF is a "down to earth" or "grounded" expansion (and many people have different thoughts on that), should Blizzard go more cosmic for 11.0? Not necessarily outside of Azeroth, but the "theme?" Personally, I really hope DF picks up with 10.1.7/10.2 because the "power of friendship/care bear" stuff is getting old. I love character building, world building, exposition, but man, get to the good stuff!

I would be down for a cosmic expansion, though it would have to be one closer in setup to Legion. Definitely all in on the Fel and Demons, but with a decently grounded beginning with loads of opportunities for non Legion stuff to break the monotony.

Shadowlands could have worked just fine if it took place primarily in Northrend in my opinion.

[huth]

I think people are taking Iridikron lines too literally.

Iridikron is a schemer with a giant well of Information available to him thanks to Xal'atath.
I doubt he's unaware of the Titans lvl of power.

Nor do his lines make me think that he'll just try go toe to toe with them when the time comes, but rather that he's setting them up to fail.

He's indubitably a schemer, but the whole "giant well of information" or connections to Xal'atath are at best supposition. Whether she told him the true scope if she did at all is also a matter of contention. Our experience with Old Gods so far has them rather be cryptic and fragmented with information, with it often not being much use until after the fact.


And setting up your foe to fail when you do not know the actual extent of their capabilities is no better than engaging them directly without that knowledge.

[Ersula]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...flight/1636338 Found this on the forums. Were you just "regurgitating" this?

His logic is "If there's another titan, shouldn't there be another flight?" Well considering there's two "nature" Dragonflights, Ysera and Alexstrasza, that logic is already debunked. The Titans do not directly correspond to the Dragonflights. We can't even say concretely that "There isn't a Silver Flight because the one dragon in the whole world Tyr wanted died against Galakrond" is the reason rather than "They decided against a 6th flight for other reasons."

Though I do agree the Titan Lore in Hearthstone is indicative of them becoming important to WoW lore very soon. Due to the conclusion to the new Dungeon. Also they gave us Inge, a Warrior keeper which explains the Vrykul's culture. Vrykul supposedly developed closest to the Titan-forged yet they aren't very titan like, but now they gave us Inge, a Watcher created by the Primus.

[jeezusisacasual]

Well, considering that DF is a "down to earth" or "grounded" expansion (and many people have different thoughts on that), should Blizzard go more cosmic for 11.0? Not necessarily outside of Azeroth, but the "theme?" Personally, I really hope DF picks up with 10.1.7/10.2 because the "power of friendship/care bear" stuff is getting old. I love character building, world building, exposition, but man, get to the good stuff!

To be honest this entire expansion seems to be very filler like honestly. While i myself want a story to focus on localized plot points this seems to be flirting with cosmic end of the world ending garbage ( think a shitty Michael Bay film ) and some sort of tongue in cheek cheese ( the niffin ) where as i want would like a real bastard villain who does horrific things think a Game of Thrones style of doomer narrative and until there is some real gut wrenching teeth i could care less.

Also this expansions voice acting has been terrible compared to almost every other triple a games which while it might not be fair i compare every game to one another let alone i expect them to be better since they have coming on 19 years worth of experience.

They still have not fixed the problem of keeping me subscribed once i get KSH which for an always online world is kinda sad.

[Well Done Steak]

His logic is "If there's another titan, shouldn't there be another flight?" Well considering there's two "nature" Dragonflights, Ysera and Alexstrasza, that logic is already debunked. The Titans do not directly correspond to the Dragonflights. We can't even say concretely that "There isn't a Silver Flight because the one dragon in the whole world Tyr wanted died against Galakrond" is the reason rather than "They decided against a 6th flight for other reasons."

Though I do agree the Titan Lore in Hearthstone is indicative of them becoming important to WoW lore very soon. Due to the conclusion to the new Dungeon. Also they gave us Inge, a Warrior keeper which explains the Vrykul's culture. Vrykul supposedly developed closest to the Titan-forged yet they aren't very titan like, but now they gave us Inge, a Watcher created by the Primus.

That's not my logic...

Golg and agg don't have flights and don't expect them too


The thing is that dralad was name dropped during DF for his first canonical mention.

His corpse went missing, so I'm just speculating that tyr res'd him since his name was in his computer.

Then perhaps had amitus ascend dralad through him and hide him as he the silver aspect of light for his 1mil iq plan

[Aeluron Lightsong]

To be honest this entire expansion seems to be very filler like honestly. While i myself want a story to focus on localized plot points this seems to be flirting with cosmic end of the world ending garbage ( think a shitty Michael Bay film ) and some sort of tongue in cheek cheese ( the niffin ) where as i want would like a real bastard villain who does horrific things think a Game of Thrones style of doomer narrative and until there is some real gut wrenching teeth i could care less.

Wow does not need game of thrones where chars are killed off at random just to be "Oooh so gritty" The voice acting also in this expansion is fine, what are you smoking, Ebyssian sounds great for who he is. Wrathion is always a treat to hear, sabellian fits the character. Neltharion's voice still has the deep voice most dragons do. Even Nozdormu is good when talking to and he is a tragic character if he's still to be Murozond. The unbalanced tone of the expansion isn't always good,(The Niffen make this difficult in Zaralek caverns).

[Khaza-R]

Prospects of a 6th flight are interesting but I feel like a light-themed flight that was centered around protection would basically cannibalize what little the red flight already have that's unique about them.