The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

In the Legion quest she transforms back to her elf self with confronting Farondis

11:07 if you want to see

It wasn't her.
It was a vision of her, which she used to manipulate and mock Farondis.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If you go back to play the quest, you know that it is an image from the past as you are playing Prince Farondis who is seeing past images in present time.

They aren’t images of the past it’s her coming to him to see if he’s willing to bend the knee like he wouldn’t ten thousand years ago.

Pretty sure she even shows up as a shadow of a naga at first before saying that her elf form will be recognizable to him.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean fundamentally this entire Megadungeon cinematic basically erases the Revamp angle.

Obviously Blizzard can still do the dumb thing of starting a soft Revamp to appease their fans in the next expansion.

But, again there is very little chance that the next expansion isn't about the Harbinger/Azshara storyline and probably mixed in with a ton more because lmao we need marketing hype.

I am honestly more surprised all the content creators are now back on the "10.3 exists" frame of mind since at the start of the expansion everyone was keenly in the "10.2 is the end" ballpark.

[Cheezits]

I mean fundamentally this entire Megadungeon cinematic basically erases the Revamp angle.

Why? The last revamp's endgame was fighting a giant dragon in elemental planes.

You can still go from fighting Gnolls and Scarlets to Iridikron/Xal/Azshara in one expansion. I think its VERY notable that Magatha hasn't appeared yet, despite being in the files, and she would be a perfect "revamp villain" on team Void.

[huth]

Question, what elf have we seen recently who has passed through a portal of the void and who has the exact same silhouette, who could go by the nickname "harbinger" and who is so much more than just a void elf?

Closest would be Azshara. Exact same silhouette? Nobody. Xal'atath's silhouette isn't even close. That's the whole point.

[micwini]

They aren’t images of the past it’s her coming to him to see if he’s willing to bend the knee like he wouldn’t ten thousand years ago.

Pretty sure she even shows up as a shadow of a naga at first before saying that her elf form will be recognizable to him.

The video is posted above. On top of that, It's called "Vision of Aszhara" it wasnt the real one.

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Closest would be Azshara. Exact same silhouette? Nobody. Xal'atath's silhouette isn't even close. That's the whole point.

The picture is above. It's literally the exact same silhouette as Xal.

[Khaza-R]

It wasn't her.
It was a vision of her, which she used to manipulate and mock Farondis.

Kind of irrelevant either way. She obviously doesn't literally turn back into an elf. At best it was just an illusion.

But on the subject of Azshara. Her last quote to the player is kind of interesting.

Queen Azshara says: Now go and do what you will. I tire of intermediaries and heralds. The true throne of power beckons, and I intend to claim it.

On one hand I could see that being interpreted as as she's not looking to be a servant anymore. On the other hand, I could also seeing that meaning she's sees N'zoth as the intermediate and is going to seek out a Void Lord directly

[huth]

You can even see the outline of her hairstyle if you look closely. It is quite obviously Xal.

That could just as easily be Azshara's hairstyle. Or a hood (note how it is basically a straight line on the left, rather than the contour of a face). Or some other long-haired elf. Meanwhile, the ear does not match Xal'atath at all and is more Night Elf like, although a bit on the short side.

There is zero evidence of this being Xal'atath rather than any other void affiliated female elf and at least some indication that it is not.

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The picture is above. It's literally the exact same silhouette as Xal.

No, they are literally not. Her ears are different, and the silhouette either has different hair or is wearing a hood.

In fact, Azshara's ears match the silhouette better than Xal'atath's.

Don't let your wants blind you to what's actually there.

[micwini]

That could just as easily be Azshara's hairstyle. Or a hood (note how it is basically a straight line on the left, rather than the contour of a face). Or some other long-haired elf. Meanwhile, the ear does not match Xal'atath at all and is more Night Elf like, although a bit on the short side.

There is zero evidence of this being Xal'atath rather than any other void affiliated female elf and at least some indication that it is not.

The evidence is in the picture. It's just a few bits up. You can even distinguish the hairline. If you still deny that it is Xal, you can have my report for trolling and their is no point of you replying to this post.

I have no wants. I couldnt care who it is. You've been trolling for a while now and it is insane you are not yet permanently banned.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I have no wants. I couldnt care who it is. You've been trolling for a while now and it is insane you are not yet permanently banned.

Don't let your wants blind you to what's actually there.

I feel like I'm reading flat earth conspiracy theories... You have exactly the same practice.

Truly constructive. Could we discard the superfluous vitriol over trifles and get back to tossing theories around instead of getting comically overemotional over someone not guessing a duck is a duck?

[Catastrophy349]

So, how about shifting this conversation to something more immediate, versus 10.3/11.0 stuff? What is going to happen in 10.2?! (Obviously, Amirdrassil, but what else)

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

So, how about shifting this conversation to something more immediate, versus 10.3/11.0 stuff? What is going to happen in 10.2?! (Obviously, Amirdrassil, but what else)

Most likely another Night Elf meltdown. But, in all seriousness I can't stand the 10.0 -> 10.2 Tree storyline and the whole continous Night Elf story that seems to always bungle its way back to being more Night Elf Torture Porn.

Doesn't help that the Tree itself being in Emerald Dream and the whole whisper connections means that if you are a Night Elf fan you will soon recognize the nihilism that more knowledgable fans of the lore have to deal with on a daily basis while Steve spins in his chair being all cute about a storyline where there is nothing that can change the course of the story beyond making the story even worse.

[Kiivar86]

If nothing else this should be a way to put the tree and all this behind us at last. May not be the conclusion we want but we can at least finally move on from it, much like leaving Sylvanas in the Maw.

I'll welcome it.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean if we can get the World Soul out of this universe within 3 expansions. I am totally fine letting Steve be a weirdo for the time being and essentially telling a "Your choices don't matter, lol except until we need to during the final confrontation to do N'zoth/Zovaal 3.0 because video game".

My take will always stay that we need the World Soul out of this universe. It is a completely uncomfortable story element due to the company its associated with and as a element in the story the writers continuously utilize it to essentially write about nothing.

[Khaza-R]

So, how about shifting this conversation to something more immediate, versus 10.3/11.0 stuff? What is going to happen in 10.2?! (Obviously, Amirdrassil, but what else)

I was hoping that 10.2 would be a classic fire and ice themed patch but more and more its looking like Firelands 2.0.

To the point where I won't be surprised at all if Ragnaros 3.0 shows up.

[Teriz]

And to be honest, I was hoping the idea that by accident we pulled a different Old God from the past to the present and then they messed with the future. (Based on that one quest with Chromie where we ended up in Ny'alotha and an Old God was whispering to us.)

Not N'zoth, Not C'thun, Not Yogg Saron... but Y'shaarj. (We didn't fight him in original state, we only fought the remnants of his body from the Sha or his Heart, but we never fought him directly.) And he's supposed to be the most strongest of the bunch.

Yeah, I don’t think Blizzard would go that route, because they already tried that with N’Zoth, and again it ended up being just a patch.

Also given how Dragonflight is going compared to Shadowlands, I’m willing to bet we’re not leaving Azeroth again for awhile.

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BfA was tied to SL
Doesn't matter how
Doesn't matter the theme
They were

DF is leading up to the next expansion

BFA was only tied to SL via Sylvanas having a mystery box.

And even if you are correct, that’s what? 2 instances out of 7?

[Wazooty]

I mean if we can get the World Soul out of this universe within 3 expansions. I am totally fine letting Steve be a weirdo for the time being and essentially telling a "Your choices don't matter, lol except until we need to during the final confrontation to do N'zoth/Zovaal 3.0 because video game".

My take will always stay that we need the World Soul out of this universe. It is a completely uncomfortable story element due to the company its associated with and as a element in the story the writers continuously utilize it to essentially write about nothing.

You could make the case that the entire story of warcraft, whether directly or indirectly, from WC1 has ultimately been about the world soul. Azeroth, blizzards baby, one might even say, the world of warcraft, is the world soul. Once she's born and the things that immediately follow (universe is saved or whatnot), the main story of warcraft is essentially over.

I look forward to it. I'd like them to conclude the main story of this franchise with a bang rather that pad it with endless filler. Finish that then let blizzard make mini expacs about whatever adventures in the universe they want, no more concerns for the bigger story.

[Santandame]

Agreed with 10.2 SEEMINGLY looking like Firelands 2.0 so far, which is a huge loss. The burned forest aesthetic is boring and we’ve seen it plenty already in WoW.

Vyranoth attacking the tree/dream instead dvd giving us a winter wonderland vibe in part of the Dream but with a destructive flair to it would have been much better.

Alas, at least it fits in with Fyrakk’s established character of wanting to destroy all and cause chaos wherever he goes.

Those of us who have been longing for more Emerald Dream content, I haven’t got my hopes up that we’ll get what we want with 10.2. At this point I think the only way we’ll get a truly fleshed out Dream, would be to have it as an expansion setting. Sadly, we know that isn’t likely.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You could make the case that the entire story of warcraft, whether directly or indirectly, from WC1 has ultimately been about the world soul. Azeroth, blizzards baby, one might even say, the world of warcraft, is the world soul. Once she's born and the things that immediately follow (universe is saved or whatnot), the main story of warcraft is essentially over.

I look forward to it. I'd like them to conclude the main story of this franchise with a bang rather that pad it with endless filler. Finish that then let blizzard make mini expacs about whatever adventures in the universe they want, no more concerns for the bigger story.

No thanks, the main story doesn't need to be concluded, and all of this isn't endless filler. It would be incredibly stupid to end the main story(And in before someone whines about milking the franchise).

[Cheezits]

Where are people thinking the Firelands thing is coming from? We already have the zone Warglaive that first leaked the dream, and it was covered in plants and greenery. Way more likely that it will be a lush Dream zone, just with fire themed enemies attacking.