The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Darkarath]

Denathrius leading the reformed Burning Legion as WoW’s equivalent of Thrawn is something I absolutely need.

If there is a Pantheon of Chaos, they might take priority over Denathrius. They might have been imprisoned in some way while Sargeras took over most demons.

[Cheezits]

Did we ever find out what this designer was cooking up in the Eastern Kingdoms? https://twitter.com/Rachel_ByDesign/...22502595002369

Or do you think it has to do with the upcoming Undead Heritage quest?

The races maybe?

[Hitei]

Did we ever find out what this designer was cooking up in the Eastern Kingdoms? https://twitter.com/Rachel_ByDesign/...22502595002369

Or do you think it has to do with the upcoming Undead Heritage quest?

"Since this keeps getting redooted, I feel I should mention that I make quests. I don't edit or update terrain, buildings, anything like that. Our world builders are the ones who are artists with landscape."

[Well Done Steak]

If there is a Pantheon of Chaos, they might take priority over Denathrius. They might have been imprisoned in some way while Sargeras took over most demons.

I think disorder is the only cosmic force without a pantheon. Which would make sense.

A pantheon would mean a semblance of hierarchy, which means some ounce of order, which is obviously against everything for them.

So I think any leadership they have is which ever demon lord is currently strongest for the moment until another bigger fish comes alone to dethrone and take over. In this case Sire D, given all his dreadlords that infiltrated th BL.

Sargeras militarized them and organized them, because he's a titan, thus a being of innate order.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I think disorder is the only cosmic force without a pantheon. Which would make sense.

A pantheon would mean a semblance of hierarchy, which means some ounce of order, which is obviously against everything for them.

So I think any leadership they have is which ever demon lord is currently strongest for the moment until another bigger fish comes alone to dethrone and take over.

Sargeras militarized them and organized them, because he's a titan, thus a being of innate order.

I think if another leader in the Nether did try the other cosmic forces would be concerned and be making moves. I can buy the idea the Twisting Nether mostly is anarchy and leadership doesn't matter.

[Nymrohd]

I think if another leader in the Nether did try the other cosmic forces would be concerned and be making moves. I can buy the idea the Twisting Nether mostly is anarchy and leadership doesn't matter.

Who said they are not making moves? Honestly I know people say we should not trust the Void but Xal does tell us that Titans and the Crusade are a very recent development in the history of the multiverse. Fel might have been ascendant aeons before Sargeras.

[Well Done Steak]

I think if another leader in the Nether did try the other cosmic forces would be concerned and be making moves. I can buy the idea the Twisting Nether mostly is anarchy and leadership doesn't matter.

I think any leadership that takes root with demons probably doesn't last long. There always a bigger fish.

Sargeras or Sire D taking the reins would be special circumstances that need to be checked.

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Oh snap, a new rising threat for the BL means more DHs are needed, which means the class opens up to all races with a new quest line similar to Panda and AR DKs

[Catastrophy349]

Regardless of people's personal view on the current state of Warcraft lore, I actually am in favor of "most" of what they are cooking up (i.e. SL stories, DF so far). I view DF as the "expansion that sets the foundation for future Warcraft lore" rather than a boring expansion (which some view DF as so far). Yes, DF is a "slower start" compared to previous expansions focused on "World ending threats"; however, something we've been missing in the last few expansions is proper set up and exposition (which DF is providing plenty of). So, whether DF ends in 10.2, or doesn't have anything "major" happen for most of the expansion, the build up for future expansions is looking great!

[Cheezits]

Demons have very little culture and lore besides the Eredar and Nathrezim, it would be nice to flesh out some of them like the Sayaad and the Mo'arg (who are implied to have a big technological civilization).

[Raetary]

How would the Burning Legion act now that they can't respawn after they die?

?????

Last i checked, the Twisting Nether didn't suddenly cease to exist.

[Cheezits]

I mean yeah, I can read. I'm just interested if her work has been seen yet. Unless it's the undead heritage quests, it might suggest some other EK content is coming.

Depending on the nature of such content, it could either boost or kill the world revamp theory.

Technically could be the new Headless Horseman quests too, but yeah her comment does not go for or against a revamp.

Could also have been the Blue Dragon quests.

[Luck4]

Imagine if in good time, we all look back at SL as a "decent expansion" due to the setting up of stories such as the First Ones, Denathrius (ties to Disorder), etc.

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People only liked Denathrius so much because we learned plenty about him in Shadowlands, and his story isn't finished. He also didn't break character at any point, as Sylvanas did, nor the lore had to be retconned to make his plot work, like Zovaal. So, while I appreciate your optimism, we must face that Sylvanas and Zovaal lore did more harm than good to this franchise, let's hope such depravity never happens again; even the time-traveling orcs and the AU Draenor plot weren't so harmful to the Warcraft franchise.

With that said, I also have high hopes for Denathrius, but we need small teases, just like we had with Kil'jaeden and Sargeras in past expansions before its conclusion in Legion. The Nathrezin plot is one of the few great arcs that are still good and keeps getting bigger. So I hope they treat it with passion and care. Hopefully, Blizzard may reveal later on that was Denathrius behind Zovaal all that time, which would make things a little bit better since the Nathrezin seems to be the more deceptive, resilient, and cunning foe we have in Warcraft Universe.

If that turns out to be true, Denathrius and the Nathrezin would be similar to Naraku from InuYasha, where he wasn't the most powerful being but managed to be behind the most important events, at the same time that he manages to survive in multiple situations where he was about to get killed, and managed to get more power over time until he becomes the main threat.

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Hopefully, 11.0 will shed some light on the Void cosmic plane before going there and in the Void beings before making them raid bosses.

[Nymrohd]

People like Denathrius because the Warcraft settings works great for camp villains and Denathrius is Liberace levels of camp.

[Luck4]

Pretty good video by Bellular on some of the lore potential in the Eastern Kingdoms, moving ahead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agUsOgwxAmM

Bellular is capitalizing hard on the World Revamp speculation, if you check his videos, the World Revamp videos are one-of-the/if-not-the most watched.

The guy knows where the hype is.

[Kiivar86]

Bellular is capitalizing hard on the World Revamp speculation, if you check his videos, the World Revamp videos are one-of-the/if-not-the most watched.

The guy knows where the hype is.

I don't like the guy but I do admire his way of sticking with the trends and everything. If nothing else, it keeps his views coming in.

[Raetary]

People only liked Denathrius so much because we learned plenty about him in Shadowlands, and his story isn't finished.

Actually i'd say he is just as shoehorned into the story as the Jailer.


The reason why he still works really well regardless, is for the same reason why Azshara works as well as she does.
They are both characters with truckloads of personality and charisma.

[Luck4]

Actually i'd say he is just as shoehorned into the story as the Jailer.

The reason why he still works really well regardless, is for the same reason why Azshara works as well as she does.
They are both characters with truckloads of personality and charisma.

I agree that his charisma is also one of the reasons, but regarding him being shoehorned I would agree if he had died but the fact that his story isn't finished means Shadowlands was just an introduction, and we may have not seen what he's truly capable of.

Ofc lorewise it all feels like an accident, but a happy one, LMAO.

[Revamp Man]

I think disorder is the only cosmic force without a pantheon. Which would make sense.

A pantheon would mean a semblance of hierarchy, which means some ounce of order, which is obviously against everything for them.

So I think any leadership they have is which ever demon lord is currently strongest for the moment until another bigger fish comes alone to dethrone and take over. In this case Sire D, given all his dreadlords that infiltrated th BL.

Sargeras militarized them and organized them, because he's a titan, thus a being of innate order.

Their pantheon could be a being with multiple personalities
They never make decisions because there's no consensus therefore they never do anything

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True. There's a pattern with a new one of those videos every 2-3 months or so. Obviously more as new expansions loom on the horizon. Content creators rarely feel the need to go back and explain all the times they were wrong, either, because the videos aren't really evergreen and people just kind of move on to the next hype video.

But at some point, all that stuff hinting at a revamp has to materialise into something. Heck, I'm still flabbergasted abbout the fact that we've had perfect Ashenvale and Barrens assets just sitting there since BfA, only to be used in WSG so far.

I miss pyromancer

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I mean yeah, I can read. I'm just interested if her work has been seen yet. Unless it's the undead heritage quests, it might suggest some other EK content is coming.

Depending on the nature of such content, it could either boost or kill the world revamp theory.

Give me scarlet crusade for the undead heritage with calia learning her family survived

[Palapop]

To return to the nelf set for just a second, i would've preferred something akin to either of these:

I really, REALLY dislike that helmet

Sentinel guards HD helmet would fit better imo.

[Catastrophy349]

Ok, so let's imagine that 11.0 is Avaloren (the other side of Azeroth). What would you like Avaloren to be, look like, etc.?