The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

Just finished the cam0aign quests for the dragonscale expedition. Ladies and gents prepare for an undead galakrond and to discover that one of his lieutenants is Ysera and Alexstraza's brother.

Tyr also seems like he's gonna be a fun guy who is possibly responsible for the creation of proto-dragons infused with most elements and forces possibly including "titan-forged"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's absolutely not unless with each major content patch they automatically advance one's renown to the previous max level or something like that (when they increase renown levels). Someone like me who's not grinding this nonsense could still progress by the unlocks that happened weekly when returning later on, but if it stays like it is, I'll never progress the main storyline because I can't and won't grind renown. It's a terrible system for players like me who leave early and come back later on to experience the story. I hope renown was a one-time experiment and they get rid of this in the next expansion. It's also very, very alt-unfriendly.

Seems a bit unlikely they will go to weekly story progression people complained about it non stop because it was “time gating” so they went back to the mop model with some improvements which will likely be here to stay for a few expans.

[Dracullus]

Genuine question, is there a point of doing renown on alts - excluding free cosmetics that you can buy on main, extra knowledge for professions or few player power items? Only thing I can think of are recipes, are they account wide unlock?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Do you strictly need the main storyline though? Only Valdrakken and Dragonscale Expedition gives actual endgame storylines, and both are easy to gain passively. Valdrakken only requiring Renown 19, and Dragonscale Expedition gaining rep from the raid.

Also how is it alt-unfriendly? If anything it's main character unfriendly given the massive buff you get at Renown 10 and 20.

Yeah once you hit those, alts become less of a nuisance and such. And also collecting the Dragonriding Glyphs are also account bound.

[Sondrelk]

Genuine question, is there a point of doing renown on alts - excluding free cosmetics that you can buy on main, extra knowledge for professions or few player power items? Only thing I can think of are recipes, are they account wide unlock?

Recipes need to be unlocked again. Though usually they are unlocked fairly quickly. Usually around Renown 14 and 18.

[Gurahk]

It's also very, very alt-unfriendly.

It's extremely alt-friendly, most of the stuff you unlock are account-wide and you get bonuses to rep on 10 and 20 on top of having BoA rep items when you reach max.

[Sondrelk]

Suppose there is also the fact that once you hit max renown you start gathering BoA rep items, rather than instant or soulbound ones. Each weekly rep event giving up to four 500 rep items you can mail to your alts. Each one giving up to 1500 rep if they are below Renown 10.

[Nyel]

Do you strictly need the main storyline though? Only Valdrakken and Dragonscale Expedition gives actual endgame storylines, and both are easy to gain passively. Valdrakken only requiring Renown 19, and Dragonscale Expedition gaining rep from the raid.

Also how is it alt-unfriendly? If anything it's main character unfriendly given the massive buff you get at Renown 10 and 20.

If you ignore professions you can say that it might be alt-friendly, but as soon as you want to do professions on alts as well, you're pretty much lost. But that might be one of the profession-related issues.

The thing I care most about in recent expansions is the main storyline. And to see it, I still need to grind several different renowns. And who knows what future stuff they lock behind it - I really don't care if they lock cosmetics or any other stuff behind it, but for god's sake make the main storyline not part of any mandatory grinds. If they remove restrictions for 10.0 content in 10.1, I have no complaints, so I just wait for the next content patch to experience it. But when I still have to grind renown in 10.1 to see the 10.0 stuff, I'm completely turned off by the design choices.

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It's extremely alt-friendly, most of the stuff you unlock are account-wide and you get bonuses to rep on 10 and 20 on top of having BoA rep items when you reach max.

Besides Dragonriding and access to some features there's not much account-wide. Renown and professions are a massive limiting factor. That you get bonuses for renown grind doesn't change anything, you still have to grind this first on your main, then on your alt again.

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Seems a bit unlikely they will go to weekly story progression people complained about it non stop because it was “time gating” so they went back to the mop model with some improvements which will likely be here to stay for a few expans.

I don't see any improvements though. Reputation grinds disguised as renown are still reputation grinds. They just scattered the rewards around more levels, in the end it's pretty much the same.

Stuff in Legion, BfA and Shadowlands was time-gated, in Dragonflight it's grind-gated. I don't see this as an improvement at all. This doesn't mean that other players might prefer this system over the other one - I just don't, because it made progressing the game for me worse.

[Dracullus]

Recipes need to be unlocked again. Though usually they are unlocked fairly quickly. Usually around Renown 14 and 18.

Then I know where I will use all boa items, especially since farming paragon is pretty pointless.

But I was surprised even big items turn boa, like for example 2500 token from event.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I don't see any improvements though. Reputation grinds disguised as renown are still reputation grinds. They just scattered the rewards around more levels, in the end it's pretty much the same.

Stuff in Legion, BfA and Shadowlands was time-gated, in Dragonflight it's grind-gated. I don't see this as an improvement at all. This doesn't mean that other players might prefer this system over the other one - I just don't, because it made progressing the game for me worse.

The improvements are over the mop model where at launch they had no catch up at all and even when they added one it was just a flat 100% increase up to revered, renown launched with its catch up, it can be grinded unlike mop where it was daily’s Only and goes up to 200%.

Personally liked the legion-SL system with weekly unlocks a lot more but a lot of people were very vocal about wanting things locked behind effort not time and they got what they wanted I guess.

[Nymrohd]

Genuine question, is there a point of doing renown on alts - excluding free cosmetics that you can buy on main, extra knowledge for professions or few player power items? Only thing I can think of are recipes, are they account wide unlock?

Recipes are pretty much it with craft knowledge also useful. You can get the recipes and the first knowledge boost below 20 which can be done with tokens and maybe a high value world quests or doing the event (like, the first hunt of the week is worth so much in tokens and you can just find one that is in the last step and literally just fly over it as it finishes). The second craft knowledge will require far more effort.

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Anyone knows, is there any movement with the 10.7 vendor built? Should we expect the next PTR to come in February?

[Nathanyel]

It's a terrible system for players like me who leave early and come back later on to experience the story.

"It's a terrible system for racers like me who sit out the first few laps" - and that's ignoring catchup likely coming with 10.1, 10.2, which presumably would be a global version of Word of a Worthy Ally.

[Nymrohd]

Seems a bit unlikely they will go to weekly story progression people complained about it non stop because it was “time gating” so they went back to the mop model with some improvements which will likely be here to stay for a few expans.

One thing I have to say, MoP had a lot more quests of the sort and most of them were meatier. Klaxxi had loads at Honored/Revered/Exalted (and they each opened up additional dailies) as did Order of the Cloud Serpents, Tillers, Golden Lotus and SHado-Pan (August Celestials were much lighter). Meanwhile Maruuk had nothing, Tuskar had only one (which at least was meaty) and Expedition might have two but they really only were one quest broken in parts. Valdrakken did have two very important questlines (and they are the ones that tell the expansion story). But honestly we should have had like about 10 questlines unlocked by Renown instead of 5

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"It's a terrible system for racers like me who sit out the first few laps" - and that's ignoring catchup likely coming with 10.1, 10.2, which presumably would be a global version of Word of a Worthy Ally.

Or they could do something like MoP did and add rares that give big rep tokens. Something that actually involves gameplay instead of skipping gameplay is always better imo.

[CasualFilth]

11.0 is gonna be the Black Empire or at least Void vs Light related - bookmark this

[Dracullus]

Besides Dragonriding and access to some features there's not much account-wide. Renown and professions are a massive limiting factor. That you get bonuses for renown grind doesn't change anything, you still have to grind this first on your main, then on your alt again.

You present this like only small portion of rewards are account-wide. EVERYTHING but some profession recipes is account wide. All world content, all cosmetics.

"Renown and professions are a massive limiting factor." - complete lie. They are not limiting you in any way. You can progress your character to BiS without touching them. You can progress renown without touching profession and high end progression.

Btw - it's so funny you complain DF have some optional content to do after for months you complained there is no power progression. You wanted something like grinding game for extra talent points xD. There is 0 integrity in your posts, man.

[Nathanyel]

Or they could do something like MoP did and add rares that give big rep tokens. Something that actually involves gameplay instead of skipping gameplay is always better imo.

Sure, that's another way. Could easily limit them to only work up to a certain Renown (akin to the Legion BoA rep tokens that only worked up to Exalted, but not into Paragon) and have targettable and farmable sources.

[Nyel]

Personally liked the legion-SL system with weekly unlocks a lot more but a lot of people were very vocal about wanting things locked behind effort not time and they got what they wanted I guess.

I mean, yes, exactly. It's very much a personal preference and how to catch up on things later on. For me, I can definitely say I do not like the new system at all, because it's not catering to my playstyle. Others might prefer it and that's fine.

[loras]

I hate it when I play Pokemon and they gatekeep the Elite Four with Champion fights.

To be fair: Those are just four fights.
Not some 80 levels of renown tied to four specifuc zones and activities, each time gated in its own way.

If i want to do the elite four i can just pump a pickachu full of 'roids if i want to.

So not really a good comparison; pokemon makes no comparable attempts at dictating how and at what pace you advance the story, nor how you would go about overcoming the challenges it sets before you.

[Sondrelk]

Sure, that's another way. Could easily limit them to only work up to a certain Renown (akin to the Legion BoA rep tokens that only worked up to Exalted, but not into Paragon) and have targettable and farmable sources.

How is this all that different from all rares giving rep now though? Or better yet all rares giving BoA tokens if you are at max renown?

[BaumanKing]

11.0 is gonna be the Black Empire or at least Void vs Light related - bookmark this

My bet is on the tyranny of the Light. The sooner we deal with this mighty whitey Turalyon the better. It is, as we all know, long overdue.