The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sentynel]

This is beyond lazy, seriously like who wrote this-

Like as if it needs asking... two letters: A and I

so fucking bad

[Fahrad Wagner]

Like as if it needs asking... two letters: A and I

so fucking bad

but even if it's written by AI, there is a person behind the prompt, who should read this and think "uh, this is repetitive, I'll ask the AI to bring more variety to it'

[Jaggler]

I think Metzen change patch order.
I think Rootlands was planed to be 11.2 patch with playable harronirs. Where we deal with Black blood storyline, last boss - Xal. She was just generic villian with plan to use black blood to open portal to Void Storm to summon Dimensius in Azeroth.
And after that supposed to be Quel'thalas+Zul'aman+Voidstorm expansion. K'aresh supposed to be 12.2 with final boss of expansion - Dimensius.

But after Metzen returning - Void Storm was halved into 2 zones: Midnight zone and K'Aresh, Rootlands renamed into Harandar, harronir into haranirs.
This change would link TWW and Midnight expansions into pieces of 1 story. Thats why haranir are playable at Midnight and not in 11.2 patch.
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That doesn't really make a lot of sense. they are already two parts of the same story. TWW flows directly into Midnight. Xal'atath couldn't launch a massive void invasion into Azeroth without the power she captured from Dimensius. You wouldn't need to carve out the Haranir from TWW and add them into Midnight to link the expansions.

[Fahrad Wagner]

That doesn't really make a lot of sense. they are already two parts of the same story. TWW flows directly into Midnight. Xal'atath couldn't launch a massive void invasion into Azeroth without the power she captured from Dimensius. You wouldn't need to carve out the Haranir from TWW and add them into Midnight to link the expansions.

If they wanted to, she could have, they just had to switch up the explanation of how Xal got so much power (she could have siphoned Beledar or something for example). I really do think things were rearranged around

[Pyrophax]

That doesn't really make a lot of sense. they are already two parts of the same story. TWW flows directly into Midnight. Xal'atath couldn't launch a massive void invasion into Azeroth without the power she captured from Dimensius. You wouldn't need to carve out the Haranir from TWW and add them into Midnight to link the expansions.

For current story? Nope.
But with separate expansions - why not? Xal could use Black Blood powers to open the portal for Dimensius and she dies in raid, Dimensius would be this big bad of expansion instead of Xal, with 2 zones of Midnight serve as starting point - Quel'thalas -> Zul'aman -> Void Storm ->K'Aresh.
Also haranir story was heavily teased in all patches of TWW, it make 0 sence delay them for 2 patches just because, you know? Also 2-3 zones of void desert akin K'aresh seems dull, so they mix things up.
Now we have Quel'thalas, Zul'aman, Void Storm and Harandar - 4 distinct zones, all with different themes. Seems good to me, but I feel it was not a plan, just forced measure to reuse half-finished designs.

Also about Harandar - where it will be? Under Quel'thalas seems strange place, if we saw it starts in Azj-Kahet. Is it gigantic place from south of Kalimdor up to north of EK? Lorewise obliviously, ingame it will be standart zone.
But place it in different side of map seems too far to access from Quel'Thalas. Portals? Maybe they will use Dornogal portal places near Orgrimmar portal?

[Rootsbum]

Not a big fan of unlocking races AFTER leveling and story.
I want to experience the cinematics, the story, the cutscenes as my favorite character; Not just racechange or level from scratch and see it again without the new car smell

Hope they are aviable straight from the first patch at least.

Wonder when beta will open

[Pyrophax]

Not a big fan of unlocking races AFTER leveling and story.
I want to experience the cinematics, the story, the cutscenes as my favorite character; Not just racechange or level from scratch and see it again without the new car smell

Hope they are aviable straight from the first patch at least.

Wonder when beta will open

Well, shop says Midnight features that Available at launch - housing, haranirs and 4 zones, so they will be at 12.0 season. Like Earthen was in TWW
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[Samin]

But after Metzen returning - Void Storm was halved into 2 zones: Midnight zone and K'Aresh, Rootlands renamed into Harandar, harronir into haranirs.

It was never actually gonna be called Rootlands

[Reive]

is metzen even a thing anymore? feel like he got his paycheck and left. also, so far i'm not really digging this worldsoul saga

[CopyX1982]

I completely agree with you, for me it's so strange that we got K'aresh as 11.2 and no Rootlands, but then the next expansion when K'aresh would fit perfectly we get Rootlands?



This is beyond lazy, seriously like who wrote this-

To add to that, what's the betting Manaforge Omega and the Dreamdrift got swapped around too, the other two launch raids fit the midnight theme perfectly, the third? Not so much.

[allegrian]

In the opening cinematic we can see some of the human paladins holding the seventh legion BFA shield (alliance exclusive), and they all look human so they probably represent the alliance or new silver hand/army of the light, probably with Turalyon as its leader, instead of Arathi. We don't see draeneis though.

[Marlamin]

Powernap complete. Bring on the interior decorating.

[Hearthfinder]

The Worldsoul Saga is like The Hobbit. What was once intended to be one expansion turned into three.

Unlike a normal trilogy where you have three separate but interwoven adventures (think Star Wars), and everybody's happy, we get what feels like "butter scraped over too much bread".

It's essentially the feature set of one expansion (and a bit more) spread out over three expansions. But with more story added for what is hopefully a better narrative.

My guess is that either Metzen felt like WoW's original story' grand finale needed more room to breathe, OR that Xbox wanted more money from less content. Because story is probably cheaper to make?

I mean just look at it. In TWW and launch Midnight we will have had basically the same amount of content we would get in an old expansion. TLT probably won't add much more either.

A couple of allied races.
A few race/class combos.
One new system for character progression (Hero Talents).
One new class in TLT presumably.
A new spec.
Etc.

It's basically an expansion and a half, packaged and sold as three expansions.

Haranir and Harandar belonged in TWW, as did the new Void DH spec. But they essentially saved it as padding for Midnight.

Midnight should have brought a new class and stuff but that's being saved for TLT.

[Eldryth]

Do we know what "Beledar" actually translates to? Because I just realized, "Harandar" actually sounds kind of similar and shares the same ending, and might be the same language?

If it's some kind of Light-affiliated language... we also saw some mixed Light/Life stuff in the teaser images, could the Haranir actually believe in that mixture rather than just pure Life?

[Xilurm]

The dissemination of wow features through shorts & tiktoks is crazy. Did you know they're rewriting the exiles reach questline in 12.0 to include Jaina & Thrall? They put that in a tiktok

Well I guess I have to turn off my short blocker...

[Reive]

definitely feels like paying the same if not more for less content. without housing midnight would probably feel like just a bit more than a major patch.

[allegrian]

The Worldsoul Saga is like The Hobbit. What was once intended to be one expansion turned into three.

Unlike a normal trilogy where you have three separate but interwoven adventures (think Star Wars), and everybody's happy, we get what feels like "butter scraped over too much bread".

It's essentially the feature set of one expansion (and a bit more) spread out over three expansions. But with more story added for what is hopefully a better narrative.

My guess is that either Metzen felt like WoW's original story' grand finale needed more room to breathe, OR that Xbox wanted more money from less content. Because story is probably cheaper to make?

I mean just look at it. In TWW and launch Midnight we will have had basically the same amount of content we would get in an old expansion. TLT probably won't add much more either.

A couple of allied races.
A few race/class combos.
One new system for character progression (Hero Talents).
One new class in TLT presumably.
A new spec.
Etc.

It's basically an expansion and a half, packaged and sold as three expansions.

Haranir and Harandar belonged in TWW, as did the new Void DH spec. But they essentially saved it as padding for Midnight.

Midnight should have brought a new class and stuff but that's being saved for TLT.

TLT has always been the hype one from the trilogy for me, though right nownit feels more like the xalatath/void trilogy than anything related to the world soul and the titans. The firdt 2 zones in TWW were about that and that's it, never mentioned again in the following zones, raid or 2 content patches.

[Wyrt]

Do we know what "Beledar" actually translates to? Because I just realized, "Harandar" actually sounds kind of similar and shares the same ending, and might be the same language?

If it's some kind of Light-affiliated language... we also saw some mixed Light/Life stuff in the teaser images, could the Haranir actually believe in that mixture rather than just pure Life?

Pretty sure Beledar got the name because it was originally intended to be naaru related. Like Exodar, Xenedar, and Genodar.

[hattahat]

I think Metzen change patch order.
I think Rootlands was planed to be 11.2 patch with playable harronirs. Where we deal with Black blood storyline, last boss - Xal. She was just generic villian with plan to use black blood to open portal to Void Storm to summon Dimensius in Azeroth.
And after that supposed to be Quel'thalas+Zul'aman+Voidstorm expansion. K'aresh supposed to be 12.2 with final boss of expansion - Dimensius.

But after Metzen returning - Void Storm was halved into 2 zones: Midnight zone and K'Aresh, Rootlands renamed into Harandar, harronir into haranirs.
This change would link TWW and Midnight expansions into pieces of 1 story. Thats why haranir are playable at Midnight and not in 11.2 patch.
And I bet same thing will be with Amani trolls. We will get some stories about them in TLT, maybe in Zul'Drak to deal with Drakkari trolls content. Maybe it will bring Drakkari playable too as customization option for the forest trolls?
Maybe we will get roots feature from "leaks" - where you choose subraces of trolls - Bulky ones of Drakkari and Amani, thin ones of Darkspear and Farraki, regal ones with Zandalari.
I will not be suprised if dwarves will come into spotlight somewhere in Midnight or TLT. To continue their story further. And I like that.

I’ve got even more reasons to suspect that Metzen may have reshuffled the patch order. The PvP mount, for example, was suddenly given a cosmic-themed recolor, and we also saw some zone artwork—shown alongside other War Within assets—that clearly had a Rootlands vibe.

As for K’aresh, the phase diving system there feels to me like it was originally tied to the Black Blood mechanic, but may have been hastily repurposed.

Whether or not Metzen was directly involved, I’m almost certain that 11.2 and Midnight had their intended order swapped somewhere along the way.

[Ibkee]

definitely feels like paying the same if not more for less content. without housing midnight would probably feel like just a bit more than a major patch.

But housing is obviously the largest selling point of the expac? You could also say "without Delves, TWW would probably feel like just a bit more than a major patch" or "without flight, DF would probably feel like just a bit more than a major patch".

You also can't forget that the time is shortened too. Only 3 seasons for TWW with Lemix thrown in at the tail-end. We're getting content more frequently than ever and that doesn't look set to change.