The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ameonna]

The C-Plot of DF is waking up Tyr, the creator of paladins, and we see a lot of Titan-constructs using Light in the expansion. There was very little cosmic Void in launch DF before Aberrus.

But Tyr is a titan keeper, sure paladins serve the Light but Tyr dont.

[Skildar]

10.3 I feel might be more Titan based...unless we're seeing Galakrond's revival but I don't believe it.

Iridikron ire is against Titanic's taint but his last say in the Dawn of the Infinite dungeon is roughly: "with the amulet the harbinger will pry azeroth from the grasp of the titans then I will come for them"

If there is a way for Iridikron's team to "get" Azeroth then indeed we could see something very titanic themed in 10.3.

Vut I've got to say that I'm curious and at the same time dubious that they will do something original with all the different energies at their disposal. They've chosen the blessing of the elementals, Fyrakk has acquired the shadowflame, Iridikron has acquire some decay energy that feels very voidy and for sure has allied to a void tied entity. I just wish they don't end up doing "big cannon of everything we've stored up until now, go!"

[Xilurm]

You're all saying Iridkron is dumb if he thinks he can take on the Titans but what if he actually does? Like they come to check what's up and her murders them all.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't believe Iridakron can take the Titans without some extra assistance or power making him stronger. Nor do I think that is what will happen. Furthermore Illidan is there to and I'm sure he isn't going to be too keen on letting Iridakron mess with Azeroth either.

Its not really what he says, he says he will wait the titans but before that he say that with the essence of galakrond the harbringer (Xal'atath) will take their prize so i dont think he imply on taking on the titan alone, but harbringer will be with him.

Whos to say said harbinger isn't going to pull a "Actually....." moment on him. Dealings with the void are not always straightforward.

[Ameonna]

You're all saying Iridkron is dumb if he thinks he can take on the Titans but what if he actually does? Like they come to check what's up and her murders them all.

Its not really what he says, he says he will wait the titans but before that he say that with the essence of galakrond the harbringer (Xal'atath) will take their prize so i dont think he imply on taking on the titan alone, but harbringer will be with him.

[Dracullus]

This video sucks

Then why the hell you post it. I think Asmongold yt channel and Bellurar clickbaits are cancer for this community, so I don't watch or especially promote them. But I appreciate you posted video, not link like someone earlier in this thread.

It will only get worse now. Expac speculation season is coming, more people will look for info about WoW, so he will pretend he has some inside stuff or treat detailed speculation post as confirmed information.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

No one knows what the next expansion is until it drops or we get a Blizzcon Gear leak. So again there will be shifting directions of what people think is the expansion which will mean content creators will switch up repeatedly to cover all bases.

[Scyth]

You're all saying Iridkron is dumb if he thinks he can take on the Titans but what if he actually does? Like they come to check what's up and her murders them all.

He's a schemer, very likely his plan isn't to bring them to Azeroth and fight them himself. He either wants to make them fight something else and weaker them further/have them be killed.

Or he'll get a massive power-up lol

[Nibelheimy]

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He also made a video suggesting the First Ones ordered the Cosmic Forces, rather than made them.

This is also dumb.

I don't think it's that dumb at all, in fact the Shadowlands feels like an ordered version of death. It feels like a manafactured prison, as opposed to a natural cosmic force. We literally have a factory shitting out their titan level death keepers and creating and organising plains of death realms that are all contained and accessed through neat little portals.

Although I've always felt death, order and light as the 'order leaning realms' and void, life, fel as the 'chaos' leaning realms. I think Shadowlands biggest downfall is it just feels like playing through a realm ordered by titans, but bigger titans.

Maybe it would be better if it turned out Death has a more natural realm, but the Shadowlands itself is a big factory sorrounding oribos manafactured to keep it contained and within a desired margin.

[Ameonna]

I don't think it's that dumb at all, in fact the Shadowlands feels like an ordered version of death. It feels like a manafactured prison, as opposed to a natural cosmic force. We literally have a factory shitting out their titan level death keepers and creating and organising plains of death realms that are all contained and accessed through neat little portals.

Although I've always felt death, order and light as the 'order leaning realms' and void, life, fel as the 'chaos' leaning realms. I think Shadowlands biggest downfall is it just feels like playing through a realm ordered by titans, but bigger titans.

Maybe it would be better if it turned out Death has a more natural realm, but the Shadowlands itself is a big factory sorrounding oribos manafactured to keep it contained and within a desired margin.

Yeah i dont even know why this is a problem....i mean, we perfectly know that in warcraft lore, there is no other beings called the makers who ordered stuff...right?

[Nibelheimy]

As good a dungeon as tazavesh was. I'd hoped that the brokers were actually just mainly ethereals.

It would of been a really cool scenario to see K'aaresh being shattered by dimensius (or whatever its name is) and then Zereth Mortis kicking into action and creating Tazavesh as a realm of the shadowlands to house the countless dead ethereals who died when their planet was destroyed. Later other fiitting mortals like Goblins could of likely gone there.

Back to current lore however. If the titans are coming after whatever Iridikron and Xal have planned there's some options.

The titans, sargeras and illidan all return, either united or not. This seems sort of dull. What's happened between them whilst they've been locked away?

Saegeras has been converted back to his original nature somehow and sent on behalf of the titans to check out what's happened.

Illidan has been converted and influenced by order and sent on their behalf. We saw him resist xera, would be sort of heartbreaking to see him returned broken and twisted under the titans image.

The titans all come check us out, leaving sargeras and illidan behind. In a weakened state, maybe Iridikron has a shot.

The titans send a new titan, perhaps Amitus, on their behalf. Maybe she's what the void soul is used on. Turning the light titan into a void infused one. Would be a good mirror to Naruu turning to void with death.

Less likely, the titans or a representative do not come, but a prime Naruu or another cosmic force comes to apose the void.

There are a lot of possibilities here, but in my mind, the titans arriving and squishing Iridikron like a bug would be the least likely, and least compelling story to tell at this time.

[Ersula]

Bad take. Archimonde was summoned from the Nether which isn't bound to the laws of time regardless. Same should apply to the Shadowlands, etc.

"The Nether is not bound to the laws of time" Huh?
"Shadowlands is not bound to the laws of time either" HUH???
"Gul'dan summoning a portal to the Nether should not result any AU variant of a guy being summoned" I didn't say that. The Dev's said that wasn't an AU Archimonde, it was the original Archimonde from our present. Because, as they explained it 'there's only one Legion'.

Events transpire in a very specific order for all these creatures, one being the Archimonde we fight in AU Draenor is the same one we fought in Hyjal, except we know his perspective of events matches the players: That backs up the idea that like the Portal Khadgar made to take us to AU Draenor, the portal AU Gul'dan also connected to the player's timeline.

What I was saying is that up until Dragonflight there was only one legion, but it's likely that the Alternate Legion from the Azewrath timeline was created recently from the latest resurgence of the Infinite Dragonflight going back in time and creating a divergent timeline. (A thing Chromie just explained that they are doing.)

[Aeluron Lightsong]

As good a dungeon as tazavesh was. I'd hoped that the brokers were actually just mainly ethereals.

It would of been a really cool scenario to see K'aaresh being shattered by dimensius (or whatever its name is) and then Zereth Mortis kicking into action and creating Tazavesh as a realm of the shadowlands to house the countless dead ethereals who died when their planet was destroyed. Later other fiitting mortals like Goblins could of likely gone there.

Back to current lore however. If the titans are coming after whatever Iridikron and Xal have planned there's some options.

The titans, sargeras and illidan all return, either united or not. This seems sort of dull. What's happened between them whilst they've been locked away?

Saegeras has been converted back to his original nature somehow and sent on behalf of the titans to check out what's happened.

Illidan has been converted and influenced by order and sent on their behalf. We saw him resist xera, would be sort of heartbreaking to see him returned broken and twisted under the titans image.

The titans all come check us out, leaving sargeras and illidan behind. In a weakened state, maybe Iridikron has a shot.

The titans send a new titan, perhaps Amitus, on their behalf. Maybe she's what the void soul is used on. Turning the light titan into a void infused one. Would be a good mirror to Naruu turning to void with death.

Less likely, the titans or a representative do not come, but a prime Naruu or another cosmic force comes to apose the void.

There are a lot of possibilities here, but in my mind, the titans arriving and squishing Iridikron like a bug would be the least likely, and least compelling story to tell at this time.

I don't think the Titans are just gonna end up dead either, would be a waste and a waste of Sargeras to. It all depends what the Harbinger even wants to do in all of this.

[Ersula]

I don't think the Titans are just gonna end up dead either, would be a waste and a waste of Sargeras to. It all depends what the Harbinger even wants to do in all of this.

If Argus is any indication, killing Titans is very hard. But if Aggramar is any indication, destroying their physical form & mind controlling them is really easy.

Its a safe bet this expansion ends with the Harbinger taking control of the Titans.

[Ameonna]

"The Nether is not bound to the laws of time" Huh?
"Shadowlands is not bound to the laws of time either" HUH???
"Gul'dan summoning a portal to the Nether should not result any AU variant of a guy being summoned" I didn't say that. The Dev's said that wasn't an AU Archimonde, it was the original Archimonde from our present. Because, as they explained it 'there's only one Legion'.

Events transpire in a very specific order for all these creatures, one being the Archimonde we fight in AU Draenor is the same one we fought in Hyjal, except we know his perspective of events matches the players: That backs up the idea that like the Portal Khadgar made to take us to AU Draenor, the portal AU Gul'dan also connected to the player's timeline.

What I was saying is that up until Dragonflight there was only one legion, but it's likely that the Alternate Legion from the Azewrath timeline was created recently from the latest resurgence of the Infinite Dragonflight going back in time and creating a divergent timeline. (A thing Chromie just explained that they are doing.)

But lets be honest, the "there is only one Legion" thing was a bad idea, like, it was not logical at all, it was full of plots holes and it was stupid because if you considere a lot of the demons were once mortals beings (that are thus not unique) then how do you explain this?

How do you explain that in WoD in 6.2 (the patch when they even explained that there was only one legion) how you explain that we fight alternate Socrethar who became a demon? He?

And thats the problem here, if there is many differents timeline it means there is many different archimonde and kil'jaeden (who are not yet demons) it means there is even a Velen who did join the Legion, since thee is as many timeline as there is possibilities...

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If Argus is any indication, killing Titans is very hard. But if Aggramar is any indication, destroying their physical form & mind controlling them is really easy.

Its a safe bet this expansion ends with the Harbinger taking control of the Titans.

It was said in interview that we dont fight a full power Aggramar in Antorus, as well as Argus was not born yet either.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The C-Plot of DF is waking up Tyr, the creator of paladins

All of the paladin orders were founded like ten thousand years after his death and totally unrelated other then the name no? Or has there been some new quest I missed?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

All of the paladin orders were founded like ten thousand years after his death and totally unrelated other then the name no? Or has there been some new quest I missed?

The Silver Hand has some influence in Paladins and such, its notable but not a massive influence. I think WoW added the Tyr influence Pre WoW it wasn't.

I think anyways.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Silver Hand has some influence in Paladins and such, its notable but not a massive influence. I think WoW added the Tyr influence Pre WoW it wasn't.

I think anyways.

I think that influence was just that there was a legend that they took the name from not really any thing direct.

[Lahis]

Could you give a TL; DR? I guess some proof that archimonde is reforming the legion?
I honestly don't want to give them any attention for obvious clickbait speculation videos.

Afrasiabi's One Legion In All Timelines brainfart has been quietly retconned out. The Archimonde we killed in WoD was from that timeline, our Archimonde is still out there regerating. He could come back with Legion remnant, co-operating or being manipulated by Denathrius (Archimonde wasn't the smartest one of the triumvirate).

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And Azewrath could just be a timeline the Legion claimed Azeroth against before Sargeras' imprisonment.

If the One Legion In All Timelines managed to claim Azewrath-Azeroth 10k years ago, why would they still bother with us? They won already.

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But Tyr is a titan keeper, sure paladins serve the Light but Tyr dont.

Tyr smashes thing with the Light like any Paladin inspired by him.

He might not serve the Light like mortal paladins but he clearly wields it.

[Xilurm]

Afrasiabi's One Legion In All Timelines brainfart has been quietly retconned out. The Archimonde we killed in WoD was from that timeline, our Archimonde is still out there regerating. He could come back with Legion remnant, co-operating or being manipulated by Denathrius (Archimonde wasn't the smartest one of the triumvirate).

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If the One Legion In All Timelines managed to claim Azewrath-Azeroth 10k years ago, why would they still bother with us? They won already.

Source? Cause that would be a big deal.