The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dracullus]

I hope dream zone will be better designed than Zaralek. They really need to revamp this place for single player, rares are always up because no one is doing them, every one is designed for group. So if you want to get drake patterns from them - good luck with that.

Korthia was ugly as hell, but it was ALWAYS active during 9.1, so called 'dead patch when everyone left'.

[Lahis]

I hope dream zone will be better designed than Zaralek. They really need to revamp this place for single player, rares are always up because no one is doing them, every one is designed for group. So if you want to get drake patterns from them - good luck with that.

Korthia was ugly as hell, but it was ALWAYS active during 9.1, so called 'dead patch when everyone left'.

Group rares used to not be a problem because people were constantly farming them.

But DF world content has not been anything but rare farming. With Zaralek releasing right after Forbidden Reach, which was just rare farming, people were really burned out of it already.

Emerald Dream needs something new.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I hope dream zone will be better designed than Zaralek. They really need to revamp this place for single player, rares are always up because no one is doing them, every one is designed for group. So if you want to get drake patterns from them - good luck with that.

Korthia was ugly as hell, but it was ALWAYS active during 9.1, so called 'dead patch when everyone left'.

Non instanced content needs to have more(And the very frustrating criticism I have about world quests and its timer but I said it many times already so I don't wanna annoy you).

The events is nice but I think it should still supplement world quests to. More stuff to do in the open world is a win for the game. I value it more then the rares.

[Kiivar86]

Group rares used to not be a problem because people were constantly farming them.

But DF world content has not been anything but rare farming. With Zaralek releasing right after Forbidden Reach, which was just rare farming, people were really burned out of it already.

Emerald Dream needs something new.

Those Dream Surge things seem like the same mixed with Time Rifts (just more frequent) so hope they do something vastly different for Emerald Dream proper.

[Ersula]

Except that Gorak Tul wasn't a wild god, but a sorcerer king who tapped into the realm of Thros and warped the Drust. You're thinking of Ulfar who is the closest and oldest living Thornspeaker (He's pretty much the last of the uncorrupted Thornspeakers) we have that can teach people the ways of being a druid... and even then they don't know they're a druid until "they hear the call of the wild."

I can only see Gorak Tul's methods working for the Forsaken rather than humans... but even that's a bit of a stretch.

So what are you trying to say? I was not implying Ulfar was a Wild God; I was just pointing out that while Night Elves had to work for thousands of years to learn how to be druids, Cenarius simply waved his hands & granted the same powers to the Tauren & Worgen in an instant. It sounds like you're trying to invalidate Kul Tiran Druid lore by using a common colloquialism to imply Kul Tiran Druids are some kind of mutation, instead of a vocation.

There's nothing in-universe to imply Kul Tiran Humans & Stormwind Humans are genetically different, at least not as different as Stormwind Humans & Forsaken Humans.

The question here is: If Night Elves, Worgen, Trolls & Tauren needed the intervention of a Wild God to become full-fledged Druids, why didn't the Kul Tirans? They didn't need any supernatural intervention, so why would any other race? Or are we saying concretely that Gorak Tul did it?

[Well Done Steak]

It's as simple as this, race wants to be a druid? They study to be a druid. It's just magic.

[Sondrelk]

Group rares used to not be a problem because people were constantly farming them.

But DF world content has not been anything but rare farming. With Zaralek releasing right after Forbidden Reach, which was just rare farming, people were really burned out of it already.

Emerald Dream needs something new.

The issue with world content will usually tend to be the same. Make it reliant on grouping and it will be almost impossible to complete to full later in the season, and make it tuned more towards a small amount of players and it will be a complete stomp for the first few month or two.

Not sure how open world content could go around this. The only one that I remember still getting praise is the Nazjatar PvP, and even that I feel was more due to riding Warmode being a new feature that players liked.

[Lady Atia]

PTR realms are offline, so new build inc ^.^

[Dracullus]

Non instanced content needs to have more(And the very frustrating criticism I have about world quests and its timer but I said it many times already so I don't wanna annoy you).

There is shit ton of open world events in Dragonflight. Problem is, many are designed for groups and/or they are useless after you achieve specific goal (usually finishing renown or geting all cosmetics items).

Blizzard should monitor them constantly and 1) nerf stuff when content is less popular, when it's completely dead just make it single player, 2) after you done with content, add rewards that doesn't force you to do this specific content, but make profitable to do it once a week - resources, something useful for alts (for example, why not some token that gives +1 level?), currency to buy rare dragon glyphs or transmog, extra profession knowledge, things like that.

Btw, I'm talking solely from casual, cosmetic/achiev hunter or professions perspective. For character progression, game is literally flooded with catch up methods, and more are coming in next patch.

PTR realms are offline, so new build inc ^.^

I don't think we can expect much from remaining 10.1.7 PTR builds. Imo all interesting stuff will be encrypted to release and all 11.0 hints will be in 10.2 PTR.

[Woggmer]

So what are you trying to say? I was not implying Ulfar was a Wild God; I was just pointing out that while Night Elves had to work for thousands of years to learn how to be druids, Cenarius simply waved his hands & granted the same powers to the Tauren & Worgen in an instant. It sounds like you're trying to invalidate Kul Tiran Druid lore by using a common colloquialism to imply Kul Tiran Druids are some kind of mutation, instead of a vocation.

There's nothing in-universe to imply Kul Tiran Humans & Stormwind Humans are genetically different, at least not as different as Stormwind Humans & Forsaken Humans.

The question here is: If Night Elves, Worgen, Trolls & Tauren needed the intervention of a Wild God to become full-fledged Druids, why didn't the Kul Tirans? They didn't need any supernatural intervention, so why would any other race? Or are we saying concretely that Gorak Tul did it?

I'm only saying that Gorak Tul has no connections to the druids or the Thornspeakers, and that the Thornspeakers predated Gorak Tul. When he showed up, he changed the Drust by opening the way to Thros, The Blighted Land and corrupting them and was only interested in getting rid of the humans that settled on his territory.

And as for how Kul'tirans became druids. It's actually a bit of both mutation and vocation, at least based on what Ulfar said in-game.

We Thornspeakers joined Kul Tiran society. Some of their descendants heard the call of the wilds and wished to learn the ancient ways, and so we have taught them.

In truth, I really don't know if it's something that can be taught or blessed. All I know is that what makes a druid a "druid" is that they have a strong connection to the Emerald Dream. As in they have full-access to the Dream and not temporary like with some of the quests from Cata that has you slip into the realm.

The only races that I struggle with in that regard is the Orcs and Draenei as they aren't from Azeroth, so it is unknown if the Wild Gods can accept them, and if they can even be taught because they don't have any connection to Azeroth or the Emerald Dream.

[Revamp Man]

She will rule the sky, land, and sea.
Those are three elemental planes
We know via BfA items that the elemental planes aren't exactly peaceful


The Naga are definitely prepared for some move and their queen has some sort of alliance with Xal

[Ersula]

The only races that I struggle with in that regard is the Orcs and Draenei as they aren't from Azeroth, so it is unknown if the Wild Gods can accept them, and if they can even be taught because they don't have any connection to Azeroth or the Emerald Dream.

Does that really matter if everyone except Tauren & Trolls are also descended from aliens? Interesting enough, they never actually mention the Emerald Dream regarding Kul Tiran Druids. It was assumed at the time because they have their own Wild Gods, but Shadowlands showed us the Wild Gods aren't actually connected to the dream, that's really more of an Green Dragonflight thing, and the Wild Gods simply go to Ardenweald, then are reincarnated with their power & memories in-tact.

At this point I'm convinced all we need is Ysera or Eonar to say everybody can be druids & then it will become so.

[Luck4]

Does that really matter if everyone except Tauren & Trolls are also descended from aliens?

You forgot the Elves, which unironically were the first druids.

[Woggmer]

Does that really matter if everyone except Tauren & Trolls are also descended from aliens? Interesting enough, they never actually mention the Emerald Dream regarding Kul Tiran Druids. It was assumed at the time because they have their own Wild Gods, but Shadowlands showed us the Wild Gods aren't actually connected to the dream, that's really more of an Green Dragonflight thing, and the Wild Gods simply go to Ardenweald, then are reincarnated with their power & memories in-tact.

At this point I'm convinced all we need is Ysera or Eonar to say everybody can be druids & then it will become so.

There is also Freya since she has some of Eonar's power and she "created the Emerald Dream", but I have a strong feeling that whatever they've got planned for the Emerald Dream is gonna retcon Freya's involvement or they'll say something that the Emerald Dream existed even before the Titans showed up... or they just copied a blueprint of the Emerald Dream from another planet identical to Azeroth.

That seems to fit the theme of "The Titans took credit for everything just to control life" that DF is pushing.

[Hitei]

Scenarios
01: The Final Beacon (New)

Well that's a thing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Ok so "Final Beacon" no idea what that means.

[Cheezits]

Well that's a thing.

Ok so "Final Beacon" no idea what that means.

Guessing it's related to this.

10.1.7 Tyr Scenario - Black Empire - Normal Scenario (New) - Max players: 5.

[Foolicious]

There is also Freya since she has some of Eonar's power and she "created the Emerald Dream", but I have a strong feeling that whatever they've got planned for the Emerald Dream is gonna retcon Freya's involvement or they'll say something that the Emerald Dream existed even before the Titans showed up... or they just copied a blueprint of the Emerald Dream from another planet identical to Azeroth.

That seems to fit the theme of "The Titans took credit for everything just to control life" that DF is pushing.

Will be interesting to see if Freya will be part of the story at all. I don't think we have seen her since we were in Ulduar the first time.

Ok so "Final Beacon" no idea what that means.

I guess its part of the tyr quest. We started the expansion by lighting the beacon of tyrhold. Could be something similar to fully activate tyr or something.

[Hitei]

Guessing it's related to this.

10.1.7 Tyr Scenario - Black Empire - Normal Scenario (New) - Max players: 5.

They're two different scenarios though.

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Ah, no I guess the first set are just maps? So maybe it is the same.

[Xilurm]

You forgot the Elves, which unironically were the first druids.

Well, technically Elves did evolve from Dark Trolls.