The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Vakir]

Just uh. FYI. Trying to paint getting rid of conventional beauty standards as a bad things is basically antithetical to your point about nuance. Like. This entire post was a giant own-goal. The reason people have been trying to get rid of it (for centuries, mind you) is because its fucking make believe. People like different things and trying to force one conventional standard on everyone is the definition of lacking nuance. Especially when youre in a medium that is known to be full of gooner/coomer types.

I don't see this as an individual that can really be reasoned with based on their history.

The amount of factionalism alone to conveniently group literally anyone who found the freaking bear form amusing as the same people who are OK with nuance regarding beauty standards, and then to tie it to some weird ass agenda. The general reaction to that scene was that it was so outrageously funny.

The point of the gooner comment I made that got Graeham and a Fate franchise fan, which says enough about them, apparently up in arms was that this person's sole determining factor of interest is how attractive a race is and that's kind of silly.

The fuckability of a race in fantasy shouldn't be the only interest point of them in a fantasy MMO. It's fantasy. Otherwise we'd never have the Forsaken, for instance.

We literally have tons and tons of pages right here about how we want fucking energy mummies. Like, what?

[Cheezits]

I still think we are going to see a bunch of Ethereals that preserved their Kareshi culture pop up, as we currently have very few that aren't enemies. This could line up with the new guy and explain where he came from/why he looks like that.

[Xilurm]

Oh well never mind that then.

[Harpymeat]

Except the Ethereals don't wear anything like he is wearing, despite it being influenced by those sets.

It could be a one off NPC someone got creative on or we will see more Ethereals dressed up.

Whether he's unique or not, there's nothing new to us about the style of his attire. The style is plastered across the current patch. He's wearing pieces we haven't seen before, that doesn't mean the source is alien and mysterious to us. They're Ethereal clothes that don't need any explanation, like "came from a special spaceship" ??? lol

[Cheezits]

Whether he's unique or not, there's nothing new to us about the style of his attire. The style is plastered across the current patch. He's wearing pieces we haven't seen before, that doesn't mean the source is alien and mysterious to us. They're Ethereal clothes that don't need any explanation, like "came from a special spaceship" ??? lol

Yeah they don't need an explanation, hence the speculation.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I don't see this as an individual that can really be reasoned with based on their history.

The amount of factionalism alone to conveniently group literally anyone who found the freaking bear form amusing as the same people who are OK with nuance regarding beauty standards, and then to tie it to some weird ass agenda. The general reaction to that scene was that it was so outrageously funny.

The point of the gooner comment I made that got Graeham and a Fate franchise fan, which says enough about them, apparently up in arms was that this person's sole determining factor of interest is how attractive a race is and that's kind of silly.

The fuckability of a race in fantasy shouldn't be the only interest point of them in a fantasy MMO. It's fantasy. Otherwise we'd never have the Forsaken, for instance.

We literally have tons and tons of pages right here about how we want fucking energy mummies. Like, what?

Excuse the harshness, but these people think with their dicks first - again, the kind of folk that can't be reasoned with like you said. Full agreement.

Liadrin is fine. And if you're one of really upset folk, her in game model has that angular "pretty" face that you're seeking. Get over it. :V

... anyways, who else is excited at going back to places like Light's Hope and Stratholme again? Doing so with Arator's gonna provide a interesting lens.

[Hitei]

I didn't care much about them in SL but with some distance from their introduction, I think Brokers are vastly, vastly superior to Ethereals as a race. They are significantly more unique looking, and I think 11.2 has done a good job of displaying that Ethereals, sufficiently armored, basically just look like regular generic humanoids.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

I didn't care much about them in SL but with some distance from their introduction, I think Brokers are vastly, vastly superior to Ethereals as a race. They are significantly more unique looking, and I think 11.2 has done a good job of displaying that Ethereals, sufficiently armored, basically just look like regular generic humanoids.

Brokers are one of my dream races for reasons that are totally subdued and not at all obvious. I'd love to play one, even if transmog options are sacrificed a la Dracthyr.

They could have a racial that allows them to shift into the Shadowlands for like several seconds, making them lose all aggro (but they can't interact with the world).

[Pyrophax]

Hey! I'm exclusively Alliance and I'm happy there's some Horde spotlight! Don't bundle me in!!!!

Ye, sorry. I mean tears of some of Alliance fans ofc. Adequate Alliance fans are always welcome.

[Hitei]

Brokers are one of my dream races for reasons that are totally subdued and not at all obvious. I'd love to play one, even if transmog options are sacrificed a la Dracthyr.

They could have a racial that allows them to shift into the Shadowlands for like several seconds, making them lose all aggro (but they can't interact with the world).

I actually don't think you have to sacrifice very much in terms of transmog. If the playable variant have their suits slimmed down, armor could just go over them. Then the only thing that doesn't really work is boots, much like Draenei/Worgen/Trolls/etc. Helms can just float there engulfed by their animafire.

[Pheraz]

Ye, sorry. I mean tears of some of Alliance fans ofc. Adequate Alliance fans are always welcome.

Same here. Ofc I'm coping for some small spots of VE/HE Candy but I'm super glad we allies are now in the backseat and are for once not part of the drama. And for the love of elune, please no more night elf stories, they always mess them up xD got total NE fatigue and leveled a VE army replacement

[Wangming]

... anyways, who else is excited at going back to places like Light's Hope and Stratholme again? Doing so with Arator's gonna provide a interesting lens.

It is good news that we revisit other places as well. Big question for me is wether LH and Stratholme will get a face lift or not.

ALSO:

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[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

It is good news that we revisit other places as well. Big question for me is wether LH and Stratholme will get a face lift or not.

ALSO:

We are famous. We are on the front page.

I hope so! That little snippet of Northern Lordaeron coastline in the Windrunner Spire preview has me hopeful - even if, say, EPL doesn't get a full revamp I at least hope those locations are HD-ified.

[Eldryth]

A bit of a story prediction- if it turns out that the Voidstorm is, in fact, Xal'atath's homeworld like many are speculating, could her true goal to be to steal another Worldsoul, not to devour it or become a Void Lord, but to replace her home's missing soul and revive it like we did K'aresh? That seems like the logical reason to bring another world right up next to Azeroth.

It's definitely exciting to see this!

Honestly, after yesterday's reveal demonstrated just how interconnected the Saga really is turning out to be, it feels very premature to give up on any races at this point- whether it's Ethereals, or Amani, or anything else. I mean, we're getting Rootlands and playable Haranir in Midnight! That, so soon after Orwenya and the Haranir seemed to leave the story, shows that any of the races we've been dealing with can come back into focus and become playable at any time. And the Voidstorm and Voidspire previews already showed that the Ethereals and Salhadaar are going to stay relevant, at least through 12.0.

[Cheezits]

And the Voidstorm and Voidspire previews already showed that the Ethereals and Salhadaar are going to stay relevant, at least through 12.0.

The "unlikely allies" in Voidstorm may be a new sect of Ethereals as well. But this guy being in early versions of Housing, and supposedly unlockable/recruitable, makes me think he may be from an area we haven't seen yet.

[Mace]

The majority of NPCs in Dalaran were ever Alliance coded. I doubt Horde felt at home there. But let's be honest, I doubt a tauren, goblin, troll and orc feels at home in Quel'thalas either.

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I fully expect Augvokers to also be made regular dps tbh.

You are right, and that show it should feel. Dalaran had Thalassian elves, but most of them were alliance leaning, so horde should properly feel out of place.

Quel’thalas is different because it’s the home of the high elves and void elves too, but it’s the blood evening control at present, so without a storyline of unification breaking the life and having both feel equal, the alliance should feel like visitors and there would be tensions in the early part of the storylines.

Let’s not forget the elven tribes do come together, so it is expected for them to be horde blood elf heavy, but it isn’t expected to end that way or it isn’t hoped to at least.

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Rootlands is not at the core. The Manifold absolutely is a possiblity. It makes as much sense as the final zone of Midnight as it makes sense in TLT imo. Light would also make sense. But I do think a revamped EPL+other places is not out of bounds.

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Lol, such fantasy, much theme

Voidstorm is the final zone before they head back for the climax at the Sunwell

[Xilurm]

The Blood Elves have red Thalassian banners with the Horde symbol on em. Horde should be right at home there imo, unless they just don't clean places.

[Hitei]

It's definitely exciting to see this!

Honestly, after yesterday's reveal demonstrated just how interconnected the Saga really is turning out to be, it feels very premature to give up on any races at this point- whether it's Ethereals, or Amani, or anything else. I mean, we're getting Rootlands and playable Haranir in Midnight! That, so soon after Orwenya and the Haranir seemed to leave the story, shows that any of the races we've been dealing with can come back into focus and become playable at any time. And the Voidstorm and Voidspire previews already showed that the Ethereals and Salhadaar are going to stay relevant, at least through 12.0.

At the risk of gunning down people's parades, the Harronir, Haranir? (I really wish they hadn't done this name swap midway through dev and left the files named the old version) were, from the very beginning, exceedingly high quality models with a high amount of customization for their very limited scope in TWW launch (see comments like a couple hundred pages ago about how Orweyna has a nearly full suite of footstep sounds)--there's like a single female Haranir besides Orweyna in the game but that model has like 5 different hairstyles, 4 different ear styles, 4 eyebrows, two faces, two sorts of eye glows, etc. It seems pretty likely that the original arc of TWW was for us to end in Harandar and them to be an allied race in 11.2.5 or whatever.

But even the new Ethereal models are more on the level of standard modern NPC races. They have customization, but it's more customization like the evolved Nerubians have.

I'm not sure "but the Haranir came back and were added!" is a good sign for Ethereals, because it's much more likely that they didn't go away and come back, they got delayed. The comments they made in interviews on 11.2 reveal suggest to me that, going into K'aresh they probably had zero plans for playable Ethereals. That's why they added so much ethereal wrap armor and... in all likelihood, the glamour, is probably because they were intended as proxy. A way to sort of play as one because there wasn't any intended actual one.

That doesn't mean they couldn't be convinced to do it, going forward, but like... all the clamoring around covenant races didn't get covenant ARs added, nor Sethrakk and Ankoan in BfA. So I'm not sure how much the buzz will even do anything, especially if they already have like Amani, etc. planned for 12.1, or Naga in 12.2.5, or some big duo of core races planned for 13.0.

[Mace]

!

Honestly, after yesterday's reveal demonstrated just how interconnected the Saga really is turning out to be, it feels very premature to give up on any races at this point- whether it's Ethereals, or Amani, or anything else. I mean, we're getting Rootlands and playable Haranir in Midnight! That, so soon after Orwenya and the Haranir seemed to leave the story, shows that any of the races we've been dealing with can come back into focus and become playable at any time. And the Voidstorm and Voidspire previews already showed that the Ethereals and Salhadaar are going to stay relevant, at least through 12.0.

Well, I for one expect we will get Ethersls in 12.2.5 they even hinted it

[Xilurm]

Why did they change their name again?