The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Syegfryed]

I've never heard of this orc druid. If she did exist, then why hasn't anyone ever mentioned her?

im mentioning her right now though

[Woggmer]

Draenei, well Lost One anyway, druids exist in Outland. Draenei who've never even been to Azeroth, no less.

Yeah, but they're not exactly Druids in the sense of what we have on Azeroth. All they know is how to cast Wrath, they seem more similar to what human tribes used to be before they discovered the Light. Ersula already told me that Gilneans didn't exactly unlock their potential until they became Worgen which amplified their power because they were connected to the Dream.

There just seems to be more to it lorewise than what we really know, so we might get some answers about it in 10.2.

[Cheezits]

Does anyone else find it weird how little dragons are actually used in the expansion? In every dungeon featuring dragons there is only one ACTUAL dragon (Academy, Dawn of the Infinite, Azure Vaults), the rest are a variety of drakes/younger dragons. Or dragons in their visage form.

Unsure if this is just meant to make seeing a dragon "special", ala Classic, but I just realized that Deios is the only actual dragon we ever fight in Dawn of the Infinite and it feels a little odd.

[Woggmer]

im mentioning her right now though

I was looking for a name, but someone already sent me their Wowpedia page.

And I already told them,
Still not exactly enough hard evidence to confirm it. It isn't as obvious as say Gravewalker Gie who is very obviously a Pandaren Death Knight, LONG before Shadowlands.

I wouldn't mind if this orc druid does make a re-appearance again to teach a newer generation of Orc Druids.

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Does anyone else find it weird how little dragons are actually used in the expansion? In every dungeon featuring dragons there is only one ACTUAL dragon (Academy, Dawn of the Infinite, Azure Vaults), the rest are a variety of drakes/younger dragons. Or dragons in their visage form.

Unsure if this is just meant to make seeing a dragon "special", ala Classic, but I just realized that Deios is the only actual dragon we ever fight in Dawn of the Infinite and it feels a little odd.

...We fought him before in Uldaman... He used his full dragon form there too.

[Syegfryed]

I was looking for a name, but someone already sent me their Wowpedia page.

And I already told them,
Still not exactly enough hard evidence to confirm it. It isn't as obvious as say Gravewalker Gie who is very obviously a Pandaren Death Knight, LONG before Shadowlands.

The evidences are her speech and her using leather instead of mail like a shaman would

Its subtle but its there, others race/class combos were subtle or just minor appearances as well

[Woggmer]

The evidences are her speech and her using leather instead of mail like a shaman would

Its subtle but its there, others race/class combos were subtle or just minor appearances as well

Yes, but this is the first time I heard of her, and she was shoved to the background in Ashran. So, I'm not even sure if Blizzard is even aware of her existence.

[Cheezits]

I honestly didn't do this questline because it feels like filler, but it's really interesting.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/transmo...omposer-334413

TL;DR: Vulpera bard finds out that music energy is similar to time energy. Considering the first ones and how music/song themed they were, plus them being the FIRST ones and also various hints at time-imagery... maybe the 7th magic/element is Time?

Also generally a Tinker and Bard hint.

[Syegfryed]

Yes, but this is the first time I heard of her, and she was shoved to the background in Ashran. So, I'm not even sure if Blizzard is even aware of her existence.

probably not anymore, i doubt blizzard rly remember most of their shit atm, since the team is new, everything prior legion will be a blur.

Either way, its not much a problem, since if they ever make drudis to all races(wich i 100% doubt they will) its not going against any lore, since the most of the "aliens" species, are already part of azeroth life cyrcle, dying and born here.

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I honestly didn't do this questline because it feels like filler, but it's really interesting.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/transmo...omposer-334413

TL;DR: Vulpera bard finds out that music energy is similar to time energy. Considering the first ones and how music/song themed they were, plus them being the FIRST ones and also various hints at time-imagery... maybe the 7th magic/element is Time?

Also generally a Tinker and Bard hint.

bards new class confirmed

[Woggmer]

TL;DR: Vulpera bard finds out that music energy is similar to time energy.

I don't think it'll be time... but Sound, on the other hand, could be considered an "element" in of itself. There is the boss, Murmur, who is an elemental cosmic being from another dimension that is composed of Sound.

(We don't know much about where it came from or if there are other beings composed of sound...though it has no precedence in whatever's coming in 10.2 to 11.0 [I'm not even sure the current team is even aware of Murmur's existence, as it showed up in TBC], but it would be cool if they brought something like it back.)

[Kiivar86]

From that statue in Korthia, we know that whatever this seventh domain is, it wants what the others have, so Time doesn't really applicable to me there. Granted we are told the thing lies but its obviously one of those "yeah but no its really telling the truth" things, of course.

Though revisiting it, another of its whispers makes me wonder again, "Hidden from daylight, a sleeping flame rests atop the sixth tree." If you go literal tree, Amirdrassil is only the fifth named world tree, though could count as sixth if you count Andrassil and Vordrassil (same tree, just different names pre and post corruption) separate, or if you count the tree that is in the Emerald Nightmare version of Un'goro (an unnamed tree).

Or it could mean something completely different. Or just be a total lie and I'm looking too much into it. Thems the whispers for you.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Time is a construct of Order, so no.

How is time a construct of order all the forces interact with time in one way or another even if not the same way as the great dark.

[Kiivar86]

How is time a construct of order all the forces interact with time in one way or another even if not the same way as the great dark.

Got curious myself, my own line of thought was how arcane magic deals often with time, and also how Aman'thul and time and whatnot, but it looks like it was said by Ion himself in an interview in 2020 with Wowchakra:

Time is a construct of Order and structure...

(This is in regards to how time works in the Shadowlands)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Got curious myself, my own line of thought was how arcane magic deals often with time, and also how Aman'thul and time and whatnot, but it looks like it was said by Ion himself in an interview in 2020 with Wowchakra:



(This is in regards to how time works in the Shadowlands)

Man that really makes no sense given that the shadowlands has time to its just not in synch with the real world.

[Raetary]

Time is the sequenced progression of events.
Order is the force responsible to give the universe structure.
It's only logical that time would be part of it.

Chronomancy has also historically been a subschool of the Arcane, and is Aman'thuls specialty.
And Danuser and Ion confirmed it in the interviews pre-SL.

[micwini]

I honestly didn't do this questline because it feels like filler, but it's really interesting.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/transmo...omposer-334413

TL;DR: Vulpera bard finds out that music energy is similar to time energy. Considering the first ones and how music/song themed they were, plus them being the FIRST ones and also various hints at time-imagery... maybe the 7th magic/element is Time?

Also generally a Tinker and Bard hint.

I once proposed that time is the 7th and I got berated and people kept yelling "time = order" eventhough that isnt true

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not at all wot? The Shadowlands, the Dream (And likely the greater domain of Life), the Void seemingly, and the Nether aren't bound by the confines of Time. This should apply to Light as well.

The Void is limited by time or else it's interactions with the great dark is, other wise we'd already have a void titan as they could have just spat out old gods at the start of the universe and corrupt all the titans, before they awoke.

The nether has to be limited by time or Demons should just come back instantly even without Argus to speed up there respawn timer.

The dream is the same as the nether but with wild gods.

The shadowlands doesn't make any sense without time, the arbitor should have never been broken or always been broken, kyrian should have always been throwing souls into the maw or never, ardenweld couldn't have had a drought as there would be no flow of anima, revendreath could never redeem any one as there would be time to better one self or hold out, the jailer couldn't be locked up for ever as there would be no forever.

Like just nothing would work if theses realms didn't have there own time frames.

[Santandame]

I don't think it'll be time... but Sound, on the other hand, could be considered an "element" in of itself. There is the boss, Murmur, who is an elemental cosmic being from another dimension that is composed of Sound.

(We don't know much about where it came from or if there are other beings composed of sound...though it has no precedence in whatever's coming in 10.2 to 11.0 [I'm not even sure the current team is even aware of Murmur's existence, as it showed up in TBC], but it would be cool if they brought something like it back.)

The seventh force is most likely the force that the Devourers belong to, no? Correct me if I’m wrong, but they were described as invaders of the Shadowlands and no one really knew their origin or where they were coming from. Only that they were coming to devour the essence of the Shadowlands. It’s likely they’ll show up to consume the other cosmic powers. That’s pretty in line with wanting what the other Cosmic powers have.

[Kiivar86]

There's some indications the devourers were made by the First Ones. Saezurah, through Pocopoc, says they had a purpose once and were made for balance, but something altered them. Could be this seventh force did so.

[micwini]

The seventh force is most likely the force that the Devourers belong to, no? Correct me if I’m wrong, but they were described as invaders of the Shadowlands and no one really knew their origin or where they were coming from. Only that they were coming to devour the essence of the Shadowlands. It’s likely they’ll show up to consume the other cosmic powers. That’s pretty in line with wanting what the other Cosmic powers have.

I still think devourers are void related. Their portal have the same black/darkblue/white center aesthethic as recent void encounters.

[Raetary]

Devours are from the in-between.

They only started devouring the realms because of the drought.
The one FO oracle in Zereth Mortis even mentions that they had a purpose, probably to get rid of excess anima.