The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woggmer]

It means that you don't need 30 modifiers and procs for an ability to not feel like shit.

I saw a discussion of this on a Discord server. That without the proc system, WoW could've ended up having the same combat system as FF14 where it becomes a combo system. It would've gotten to a point where you could play certain classes and have everything macro'd to one button to win at any fight. Which is still a problem to FF14 to this day.

They need to make wow available to new people. Building on classic is not to bring back the old players, but to make the game fresh and get new people to play it. As it is right now, retail can only cater to its aging playerbase who is mostly playing because they have put x years of effort into it and not because they genuinely enjoy the game. New players struggle to get into wow. Retail has no clear direction of where is going. game is missing pieces, the systems are too convuluted and is behind when it comes to basic things like armor models.

Yeah, by doing a revamp or re-introduction and having most of the story focused in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms. No more new continents, no more exploring other-worldly planes of existence, just a return to form. That is how you get new blood into the system, nobody knows jack-shit about what the humans, dwarves, or orcs and tauren are all fighting about. They just know Sylvanas.. and Dragons which doesn't do WoW justice anymore.

But saying that they should all play Classic is even worse, because it'll only split the community further.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean its always a possibility they Cut & Run, but it does not seem like the best of ideas from a PR standpoint.

Especially because it would confirm that the format is now 2 major patches only going forward as Blizzard will never correct or state anything in regards to such a subject matter as seen with the awkward nature of the current status quo where we will have to wait till the 2024 Roadmap to have it confirmed or not.

Again, moving everyone to Classic+ who want EK and Kalimdor content is probably the better option following Danusers plan for Cosmic Narrative going forward for the next few expansions.'

Especially due to how expensive EK and Kalimdor content is to create for the Retail Team.

[Dracullus]

Especially due to how expensive EK and Kalimdor content is to create for the Retail Team.

It's already pretty much confirmed there won't be Cata style revamp in 11.0. Ion told us Dragon Isles will be default experience. And revamping any part of old world as 70-80 continent will use exactly same resources as making new one.

[Woggmer]

New assets can mean updated zones, but an entire revamp must have a huge pay off as it requires tons of work. I just don't see that yet. Don't get me wrong, a revamp would be fantastic. But I don't know if it makes sense at this point of WoW's lifetime. The game is old. Too old, to get that kind of update and work done just for one expansion that will continue the downward trend that started right after Legion (again).

It's literally been more than 10 years since the events of the Cataclysm. The only zones that got an update were Darkshore and Arathi Highlands, they could've done more but it was having an adverse effect on the rest of the zones neighboring them. (I'm not sure on Darkshore, but when Arathi was updated.. the river in Hillsbrad lost all the water texture. You could still go in and you'd be swimming, but there was no water "surface".)

The issue with stuff like Cata and BFA is that they are capable of revamping old zones, but (and I cannot stress this enough) THEY NEED TO COMMIT TO IT Revamping the old zones AS new zones.. Not like with Cata where they just added 5 (technically 7 because Vashj'ir is actually 3 zones that make up one bigger zone.) or like with BFA where they only updated the zones specifically for Warfronts. (We don't need to discuss the failures of that, but there were plans for more Warfronts.)

And even if they can't do a full revamp, I wouldn't mind if it was just them adding new content and stories to the old world itself just to revitalize the old world and re-introduce people to those old zones and give a reason for people to play a race because they found them interesting, and not just because of their racial abilities that can be used for end-game content.

[Reive]

I saw a discussion of this on a Discord server. That without the proc system, WoW could've ended up having the same combat system as FF14 where it becomes a combo system. It would've gotten to a point where you could play certain classes and have everything macro'd to one button to win at any fight. Which is still a problem to FF14 to this day.

Sorry but the combat system in ffxiv and wow are like night and day. the combat in ffxiv is static and combo based while wow's is more situational. Also, i'm not suggesting to remove procs/modifiers completely, but to reduce their amount. Having abilities that can either hit like a wet noodle or delete someone from the game if the stars align is not good. We need a middle ground.

Yeah, by doing a revamp or re-introduction and having most of the story focused in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms. No more new continents, no more exploring other-worldly planes of existence, just a return to form. That is how you get new blood into the system, nobody knows jack-shit about what the humans, dwarves, or orcs and tauren are all fighting about. They just know Sylvanas.. and Dragons which doesn't do WoW justice anymore.

But saying that they should all play Classic is even worse, because it'll only split the community further.

I mean you could do the revamp anywhere, but doing it on the current version of retail is going to take a lot more effort/money because the game has too much baggage, especially when it comes to the lore. Remember that bfa and shadowlands still exist in the game and that the faction pride/conflict doesn't really exist anymore. You revamp ek and kalimdor, and then what? You have no story to tell. We've reached the point where cosmic shit is almost the only way to make things interesting.

[Revamp Man]

It's great news, Metzen should announce expac, Ion lead what's next panel.

I hope Holly Longdale won't screw up this moment, she and John Hight were terrible on everything I saw from Blizzcons/reveals. I guess she's probably for Classic stuff, which can be interesting as well. Will they just move to Cata and call it a day?

You mean the 3 second cuts in the video reveals

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

You mean the 3 second cuts in the video reveals

I am definitely happy that we are back to keynotes after 9.2/10.0 were such absolute messes.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Whining about 30 procs is a very dumb complaint as procs aren't a problem and well it depends on said proc. I just know my class's proc makes the gameplay more fun but in a dependant kinda way that I'm not a fan of but thats not always the case and just saying "FUCK IT GOING BACK TO CLASSIC TIMELINE" is wasteful. Not like the whole world is gonna go along with it to.

It's already pretty much confirmed there won't be Cata style revamp in 11.0. Ion told us Dragon Isles will be default experience. And revamping any part of old world as 70-80 continent will use exactly same resources as making new one.

Wouldn't be the first time Blizz had to fib, to not spoil the surprise. But we'll see(I don't expect a revamp).

The cosmic stuff doesn't make the story interesting,

NOT THE PROBLEM here. People don't just purely hate cosmic unless you mean this forum and its hardly represenative of all fans.

[Woggmer]

I mean you could do the revamp anywhere, but doing it on the current version of retail is going to take a lot more effort/money because the game has too much baggage, especially when it comes to the lore. Remember that bfa and shadowlands still exist in the game and that the faction pride/conflict doesn't really exist anymore. You revamp ek and kalimdor, and then what? You have no story to tell. We've reached the point where cosmic shit is almost the only way to make things interesting.

Yeah, and Talanji is still mad at the Alliance for killing King Rastakhan, and people just have to accept it and be friends because faction conflict doesn't matter anymore? BFA planted a whole bunch of seeds of potential storylines from the allied race acquisitions, down to the mission table quests where most of the "faction conflict" is actually occurring that nobody is even aware of it because they don't read the descriptions. (Like the fact that the Gilneans have take control of Fenris Isle in Silverpine or the Horde is actually using that giant goblin cannon in Azshara to retaliate against Alliance forces.) The faction pride/conflict was BFA's biggest selling point, people wanted to either fight Anduin or Sylvanas... Instead we get N'zoth being utilized in the worst possible way and killed outright.

The cosmic stuff doesn't make the story interesting, it just makes people mad because it ends uprooting a lot of pre-established lore and make things worse and less interesting. Very few people wanted the focus on cosmic stuff and community has been vocal about it ever since Shadowlands.

Make new stories, make new threats, because we're gonna run out of continents to explore and traveling to places outside of Azeroth never last long. (TBC was the only exception because they added content on Azeroth instead of keeping it contained within their expansion zones like WoD and Shadowlands).

[Catastrophy349]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-1...ber-5th-334476

[Raetary]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-1...ber-5th-334476

Oh look at that.

Who'd have thought!

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

And so it begins the final countdown towards meltdown or salvation.

Man, I've been waiting for this for so long. Hell yeah.

[Darkarath]

Oh, cool. When is 10.2 gonna be announced then? Seems there's nothing about development stuff this week.

Hopefully next week. Either that or August is going to be really boring for WoW.

[huth]

Classic is a better put together game and an easier one to build on. It has a bunch of old school rpg mechanics that need to be removed tho. Retail has many things that are hard to walk back from

If they're hard to walk back from, then your suggested move is a bad idea. Because what you're suggesting is walking back from them.

[Hitei]

Oh, cool. When is 10.2 gonna be announced then? Seems there's nothing about development stuff this week.

- - - Updated - - -

10.1 was announced March 8th, and 10.0.7 was released March 21st.

10.1.7 releases September 5th, so I imagine 10.2 will be announced either on the 16th of this month or the 23rd of this month.

10.0.7 release date announcement was March 3 (?). So if they stick to the same windows we can expect 10.2 PTR maybe end of week or start of next.

[Catastrophy349]

10.0.7 release date was ANNOUNCED during the same INFO DUMP as 10.1 announcement.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Really next week we get Roadmap and 10.2? That seems a bit sudden.

To be fair I am pretty pleased if that occurs though I don't really want to waste more time waiting until September to have a clarification I've wanted since the start of this expansion.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, I mean I guess we are operating on the same basis as that then.

[Hitei]

Was actually March 7th or 8th actually lol. Around that same time, 10.1 got announced.

Yeah, you right.

I mean, I'm up for a 10.2 announcement today.

[Darkarath]

10.0.7 release date was ANNOUNCED during the same INFO DUMP as 10.1 announcement.

It does not seem that they are going to announce anything related to 10.2 this week but I would love to be wrong. Might they show a 10.1.7 cinematic, maybe?

At this point I just want to know what 10.2 brings. I am expecting a Timewalking revamp and a new system, probably the Archeology revamp, which obviously has to be way more than just a secondary profession. Account bound reps, the lifting of the transmo gains class restrictions and other quality of life changes could be enough to bring me back to the game, as I have no motivation to play right now. They are just so many good games this year.