The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

That doesn't change my point. If we ever have an expansion that has us leaving Azeroth for some other planet or some other worldly-plane. Then Blizzard will treat it like a filler arc...and a I already said in my post.

"TBC is the outlier because there's also content to go back to on Azeroth because of Karazhan, the Caverns of Time, Zul'Aman, and even Quel'Danas and the Sunwell Plateau."

We pretty much have no reason to stay in Outland after we've defeat Illidan.

Blizzard didn't treat cosmic stuff as filler. You can't just go claiming stuff that is filler cause you don't like it. If Blizz wants to create a reason to go somewhere they will. Doesn't mean its "filler" This idea that cosmic stuff are just bad ideas is just incorrect. You can't just claim that if the DF gameplay and mechanics were put in SL and its still be frowned upon.

[Cheezits]

MUH COSMIC BAD... meanwhile the most requested new "old lore" zone besides a world revamp is Karesh. Very funny guys.

[Makabreska]

Quite literally the only reason we were capable of stopping the Legion was cause of the Pillars of Creation, the Artifact Weapons, the combined might of the Class Order Halls, the Army of Light helping us at Argus, and other small yet important things.

Pillars of Creation didn't do crap. When we were about to close the portal with them, Illidan simply tore a wormhole straight to Argus.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Pillars of Creation didn't do crap. When we were about to close the portal with them, Illidan simply tore a wormhole straight to Argus.

It would of it we were doing the simple "close Legion Portal" method.

[Woggmer]

Blizzard didn't treat cosmic stuff as filler. You can't just go claiming stuff that is filler cause you don't like it. If Blizz wants to create a reason to go somewhere they will. Doesn't mean its "filler" This idea that cosmic stuff are just bad ideas is just incorrect. You can't just claim that if the DF gameplay and mechanics were put in SL and its still be frowned upon.

The cosmic stuff can work, just not as entire expansions. They only work if they're contained with in a patch, this is why Argus was a success. Legion works because it was something that effected everyone and everything on Azeroth.

It's not the cosmic stuff, it's the fact that whenever WoW has us go beyond Azeroth to other places or planets, it just never works in their favor. They can have cosmic stuff involved, but why should we care about the fate another planet or reality when we're only interested to keep Azeroth safe? That's why I don't think they should do a space travel expansion.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The cosmic stuff can work, just not as entire expansions. They only work if they're contained with in a patch, this is why Argus was a success. Legion works because it was something that effected everyone and everything on Azeroth.

It's not the cosmic stuff, it's the fact that whenever WoW has us go beyond Azeroth to other places or planets, it just never works in their favor. They can have cosmic stuff involved, but why should we care about the fate another planet or reality when we're only interested to keep Azeroth safe? That's why I don't think they should do a space travel expansion.

Of course they can work as an entire expansion. Argus was relegated to a patch because there's not much variety in a place that is engulfed full of Fel and the HQ of the Burning Legion. "It just never works in their favor"

It wasn't the theme or the setting that is the problem. We went to fucking Outland of all places and that was old lore. We spent an entire expansion there(Yes we want back to Azeroth at the end but it was still had some connection to Outland). Why should we care about another place? Cause its relevant to Azeroth in some way. The Dark Portal opened in Outland and demons were coming(And in Legion stuff Illidan was secretly helping us). We can't just ignore it cause "Its not our world" Even the rift connecting Draenor(Not WoD) to Azeroth couldn't be destroyed so if there was something going on in Outland we'd have to deal with it. Same with the Shadowlands, the veil between the physical world and the SL opened and we had to deal with the enemy that opened it in the first place. WoD also was a different reality but it was also connected to ours so we had to deal with it.


Its not the concept that is the problem. How it was handled(And well how they let it go for the future) is the problem. Cataclysm wasn't very well liked either but it was on Azeroth, doesn't mean an expansion on Azeroth is bad(using your twisted logic).


Edit: Oh and I forgot BFA, it was mostly on Azeroth, still doesn't mean the theme was bad even if I'm 50 50 on Faction vs Faction expansion. That isn't why its perceived negatively by some people.

[Well Done Steak]

Because in countless timelines and in countless Azeroths, the Legion basically kept invading and winning across every single won of them. Hell, there are items in Legion that state beings such as Archimonde were destroying countless worlds across the infinity of the Universes.

In many timelines, Azeroth and its respective Universe lost to the Legion. Azewrath is basically one such timeline, where Sargeras and his Legion managed to conquer/destroy that respective universe. And considering that timelines are made VIA the decisions made in the moments prior, and considering the people of Azeroth lost during the WoTA of that timeline, I'm gonna assume Azewrath was conquered/destroyed by the Legion LONG before Sargeras became imprisoned.

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So no, nothing was retconned here. If anything, Azewrath only helps it.

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That's...exactly what happened though. In countless universes, Sargeras and his Legion were unstoppable and essentially won. Hell, with the Dark Pantheon, Eonar stated that no one in "THIS universe" could stop him, which actually implies our timeline has a greater resolve than almost every other timeline (as it requires a Dark Pantheon for the Legion to be made unstoppable, supposedly). Kinda only helps that many other timelines are temporary and whatnot too.

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"They would have unlimited resources and troops, unparallaled technology..."

Their tech basically remains the same regardless. It's not like every world joined them, nor is it like there are multiple Nethers or anything to give the Legion "more demons" and all.

If anything, it just means the Burning Legion as it was held more than enough power to basically demolish all that opposed them. From very advanced civilizations, to gas giants, etc, no world across any Universe was safe.

Quite literally the only reason we were capable of stopping the Legion was cause of the Pillars of Creation, the Artifact Weapons, the combined might of the Class Order Halls, the Army of Light helping us at Argus, and other small yet important things.

That makes no sense, why go after us then...

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Fundamentally Cosmic doesn't work and will never work in the way Steve Danuser approaches it because he cannot put the material that makes it good into the game within the development timelines. The content that was not put into Shadowlands and what ideas Steve actually had were actually really good and interesting but it never translated into the actual game world instead leaving it as speculation fodder, sentences in Encounter Journals, flavor text and NPC conversations.

The difference in K'aresh or other Alien Planets is that it does not come with the baggage of the "World Soul Black Hole" Problem. (At least Post-World Soul eviction) Every Cosmic storyline right now is currently tied to the consumption of the World Soul by other Cosmic Forces which has been done to death over the past few expansions.

Not to speak of the fact that due to the state of the Universe, abject nihilism is the current state for anyone who understands and grasps the current narrative at its current circumstance.

It is all leading to either Aman'thul over Void or Void winning. Void winning is cool but they will be thwarted in the last hour by some bullshit plot armor power and same goes for Aman'thul losing if that is what occurs instead.

Basically, I have no idea why anyone wants to drag this franchise into this circumstance where only a miniscule amount of people give enough of a fuck to care anymore. Especially when hype is what is needed, but that's just my perspective. Blizzard swinging for the fences in the other direction with a Cosmic Legion expansion will not work.

Also it is funny to center the entire story of Warcraft on the abuse of a woman by cosmic forces for several more expansions. Kek as they say.

[Well Done Steak]

Well, outside of the fact that our timeline is preserved as the "true one" by the Titans, another likely theory comes to mind...

That our Azeroth is likely the only one with a World Soul

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Or...the Cosmic plotline won't end in an objective "winner" between the 6 Forces and it'll instead end in the United 6 Forces (Led by the Heroes of Azeroth which represent the Mortal Realm) Vs the 7th power.

There is a lot of madness in the Cosmos rn, but it is Warcraft...

But one thing DF has hinted at is that there is no true timeline and it's all titan propaganda

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, outside of the fact that our timeline is preserved as the "true one" by the Titans, another likely theory comes to mind...

That our Azeroth is likely the only one with a World Soul

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Or...the Cosmic plotline won't end in an objective "winner" between the 6 Forces and it'll instead end in the United 6 Forces (Led by the Heroes of Azeroth which represent the Mortal Realm) Vs the 7th power.

There is a lot of madness in the Cosmos rn, but it is Warcraft...

Considering that the other Timelines still have to defend Azeroth for no reason, this seems unlikely.

Obviously these could also be due to the Devourer Problem/Zovaal/Burning Legions' awakening of Argus which have been tuned to scythe the Universe.

But, again I remain sceptical because we have no actual clarification if the World Soul exists in other timelines or not.

[Lady Atia]

What? NO. In no way that would be a major patch.

Have you seen the roadmap? It totally would be a major patch lol.

[Revamp Man]

The Dracthyrs whole thing is that they distance themselves from the rule of the Dragons.
Making Emberthal an Aspect, an Aspect of a flight she has absolutely no connection to, defeats their whole purpose.

And Wrathion as the Lifebinder is Janitor lvl of ridiculousness.

Hence why I believe the writers will do it.
The theme of DF seems to be out with the old
We will find out if nozdormu steps down as aspect or not which tbh he should stay aspect considering chromie screwed with the true timeline

[Nibelheimy]

Hence why I believe the writers will do it.
The theme of DF seems to be out with the old
We will find out if nozdormu steps down as aspect or not which tbh he should stay aspect considering chromie screwed with the true timeline

Chromie preserved the true time line though? We're told by Iridikron at the end of the dungeon "didn't you wonder why the titans chose to preserve 'THIS' time line." Proto nozdormu in that time period was never meant to become murozond. Why would the titans want that?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Chromie preserved the true time line though? We're told by Iridikron at the end of the dungeon "didn't you wonder why the titans chose to preserve 'THIS' time line." Proto nozdormu in that time period was never meant to become murozond. Why would the titans want that?

I think he meant the timeline they all hail from but I do agree Iridakron's statement here is suspect at best.

[Nibelheimy]

It's also for me that present day Noz knows he'll turn when he tries to stop his death (maybe not so absolute anymore) but I don't see his death being the infinites going back and turning him in that dungeon in the past being it. It just doesn't hit me right.

I like the idea that Iridikron is again using people as diversions I.e the infinites and is just abusing distractions to get his way.

[Palapop]

Again, a fated raid season with new outdoor stuff + new mythic plus dungeons + new pvp season would still be a major patch.

"Fated season" ( /spit on it) brings no new content beside m+/raids.

[Woggmer]

"Fated season" ( /spit on it) brings no new content beside m+/raids.

Agreed. It was good for SL, but I don't see it making a comeback.

[Catastrophy349]

Agreed. It was good for SL, but I don't see it making a comeback.

It'll be back. In what form, though? Hmmm.....

[Makabreska]

Agreed. It was good for SL, but I don't see it making a comeback.

Blizz literally said they were happy with SL Season 4. It is an easy way to refresh content while we wait for next expansion, so expect it to return.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Blizz literally said they were happy with SL Season 4. It is an easy way to refresh content while we wait for next expansion, so expect it to return.

They did say that but I don't honestly think its that great of a thing.