The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Legion didn’t have much going on before 7.3… sorry?

7.2 added the Broken shore and even the quest campaign was kinda meh at the time(Broken Shore technically was already there due to the very good intro to Legion. World quests are nice and all that(With the daily timer instead of every 3 days). Then there was nethershard farming and I think the Legion invasions so that was nice. 7.3 did add Argus and that was a lot and such but it does need more. Personally the invasion system should be more evergreen, they could use for more then just the expansion's theme.

For world content? Absolutely. It just forced you to repeat same dailies for player power. And since then they are adding more and more world content with every expac.

The player power isn't a thing anymore and World Quests aren't daily anymore(Sadly). The Hunts could be improved though.





On Night elf Appearence: They look fine, I'm all more for face variations but I think people are being too critical of the new models.

[Xilurm]

The whole point of this expansion is to regain their powers to protect Azeroth. It commits them to at least the next expansion and any important event.
This would allow the aspects to heal and modify the old main continents, like in the cinematic where alexstrasza flies and breathes fire which makes a forest grow...

This all sounds too good to be able to ever become a reality.

[Raetary]

I very much expect Elune to appear.

Not in person, but definitely pulling the moon over the tree to defend it in the big showdown.

[Catastrophy349]

I would give 10.2 a VERY late October to Early/Mid November release ngl, if not a bit later ngl.

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We've already seen her sister, and we have seen guys like Sargeras, N'Zoth, Tyr, etc. The only legacy character we haven't seen yet fully is Elune. I kinda expect her to show up, and not so much in a moon aspect, as that's just how she conduits her power on Azeroth.

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I'm not asking to see the Pantheon of Life entire or anything like that. I just wanna see Elune.

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She doesn't even need to play a MASSIVE role either. Have her be in the background or have her aid in fully growing the Night Elves tree, or something like that. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing her ruling area, which could be where the Green Flight's area resides by and whatnot. We've seen the Heart of the Forest at Ardenweald, I wouldn't mind seeing something similar but for the Dream.

Have this be but the first TASTE of a greater Life plot that may or may not happen in the future, that's all. Have DF be a good blueprint for that plotline.

Late October can NOT happen for 10.2 because of the RWF conflict and Blizzcon start of November. So, it either releases early enough in October to NOT conflict with Blizzcon, or it's after. That simple.

[Xilurm]

I hope there isn't a Pantheon of Life. I want it to be just Elune.

But I already know I'm not going to get what I want sadly.

[Santandame]

For world content? Absolutely. It just forced you to repeat same dailies for player power. And since then they are adding more and more world content with every expac.

The first implementation of World Quests. Whilst old hat now, when they were first introduced everyone loved them and did them all the time because they were new and shiny. Plus the rewards such as early gearing, or gearing alts, AP, rep and later paragon boxes.

The World PvP Warden Towers. These were constantly having battles, large or small. Some of my very best memories from Legion were the skirmishes at the towers.

Secrets making their way into the game for the first time. Inspiring a community to form plus a crazy following when they were discovered. Lucid Nightmare, Fathom Dweller and Long Lost Forgotten Hippogriff to name a few.

Legion invasions.

The Sentinax & Nethershard farming.

The majority of the hidden artifact appearances were tied to world content.

Broken Shore.

Dalaran Underbelly.

The fishing artifact.

The Falcosaur pet/mount grinds.

Class Halls to a lesser extent.

SURAMAR in general?

I think it’s a little disingenuous to say Legion didn’t have much going on world content wise prior to 7.3. There was plenty to do in the game in every avenue.

[Revamp Man]

So I'm stuck on the discord post
Not the generic stuff but the story stuff left for DF
Calia's family being alive is obvious because blizz can't do subtle
Fyrakk being a final boss is another obvious thing because he's been the main incarnate we have dealt with and seen storywise
No 10.3 is another obvious thing because blizz always ALWAYS has a content drought and if 10.2 hits in November then we'd be ending the season around June and DF having so many catch up systems means plenty of content to catch up on and a mini patch with a fated season means easier way to hold players

Would be a waste of the scarlet crusade to make them a footnote in a heritage quest but I can't say I have any faith in the writers anyways

[Aeluron Lightsong]

No 10.3 is another obvious thing because blizz always ALWAYS has a content drought and if 10.2 hits in November then we'd be ending the season around June and DF having so many catch up systems means plenty of content to catch up on and a mini patch with a fated season means easier way to hold players

a .3 and a content drought aren't really related. Furthmore, ending with Fyrakk and Vyranoth as end bosses isn't as great of a DF ending.

[Revamp Man]

a .3 and a content drought aren't really related. Furthmore, ending with Fyrakk and Vyranoth as end bosses isn't as great of a DF ending.

I agree on the ending part

No .3 means more dev resources have been allocated to 11.0

Fyrakk and Vyranoth as endbosses are the final "original sins" of the aspects and outside of galakrond or chromatus is the next best thing

[Woggmer]

So I'm stuck on the discord post
Not the generic stuff but the story stuff left for DF
Calia's family being alive is obvious because blizz can't do subtle
Fyrakk being a final boss is another obvious thing because he's been the main incarnate we have dealt with and seen storywise
No 10.3 is another obvious thing because blizz always ALWAYS has a content drought and if 10.2 hits in November then we'd be ending the season around June and DF having so many catch up systems means plenty of content to catch up on and a mini patch with a fated season means easier way to hold players

Would be a waste of the scarlet crusade to make them a footnote in a heritage quest but I can't say I have any faith in the writers anyways

Fyrakk isn't the final boss, he doesn't even feel like one. I don't understand the logic of having Iridikron saved for the next expansion. At least with Deathwing, he's got an insane amount of lore behind him despite how one-note he becomes in Cata. Fyrakk doesn't have anything other than he bathed in Shadowflame and is going on a rampage.

And I don't know what else the Forsaken Heritage armor quest would have that isn't focused on the Scarlet Crusade. They've been a constant antagonist to the Forsaken since Vanilla, no other group comes close aside from the Worgen... unless the whole thing is going to be focused on Sylvanas (which it totally will because Danuser can't last one expansion without highlighting how great Sylvanas is.)

[Revamp Man]

Fyrakk isn't the final boss, he doesn't even feel like one. I don't understand the logic of having Iridikron saved for the next expansion. At least with Deathwing, he's got an insane amount of lore behind him despite how one-note he becomes in Cata. Fyrakk doesn't have anything other than he bathed in Shadowflame and is going on a rampage.

And I don't know what else the Forsaken Heritage armor quest would have that isn't focused on the Scarlet Crusade. They've been a constant antagonist to the Forsaken since Vanilla, no other group comes close aside from the Worgen... unless the whole thing is going to be focused on Sylvanas (which it totally will because Danuser can't last one expansion without highlighting how great Sylvanas is.)

Because the Jailer had mega lore and garrosh was a constant antagonist and Guldan died in WoD

[Woggmer]

Because the Jailer had mega lore and garrosh was a constant antagonist and Guldan died in WoD

Garrosh's story spanned across multiple expansions until he became the antagonist, Gul'dan didn't die in WoD, he was shifted to the main universe at the end of WoD and started the Legion invasion of Azeroth... and then he died on top of the main palace in Suramar, and the Jailer's "lore" was basically "I'm responsible for everything and I deserve all the credit" when we didn't know his existence until we went to the Shadowlands.

Fyrakk being the final boss just doesn't feel right. Especially since he only had the spotlight on him in 10.1, I can only see him being the boss of whatever raid comes in 10.2 and that's it. Chromatus would make the most sense, but he was suppose to take Ultraxion's place in the Dragon Soul raid (Blizz couldn't get him in because having a being with five heads sewn to a single body wasn't in their tech at the time.) So I'm not even sure if this new team is even aware of Chromatus's existence.

[KyleEverett]

Amirdrassil in general doesn't feel like a good final raid. It's more about the Night Elves than it is the Dragon Isles as a whole.

I'm getting more confident we'll see 10.1.7 on 8/29 and then season 3 7 weeks later. Here's hoping we see an "In development" event scheduled in on 8/14.

I've had some pretty strong arguments that if we have just 10.2 and that's a wrap on DF, it'd be the shortest expansion and lowest amount of content since WoD. That is a comparison no one should ever want to see. There'd be no garrisons, covid, or world revamp(cata) to handwave away the lack of a 4th raid.

[Revamp Man]

Garrosh's story spanned across multiple expansions until he became the antagonist, Gul'dan didn't die in WoD, he was shifted to the main universe at the end of WoD and started the Legion invasion of Azeroth... and then he died on top of the main palace in Suramar, and the Jailer's "lore" was basically "I'm responsible for everything and I deserve all the credit" when we didn't know his existence until we went to the Shadowlands.

Fyrakk being the final boss just doesn't feel right. Especially since he only had the spotlight on him in 10.1, I can only see him being the boss of whatever raid comes in 10.2 and that's it. Chromatus would make the most sense, but he was suppose to take Ultraxion's place in the Dragon Soul raid (Blizz couldn't get him in because having a being with five heads sewn to a single body wasn't in their tech at the time.) So I'm not even sure if this new team is even aware of Chromatus's existence.

The final boss hasn't felt right for the last 3 expansions

Also I think I imagined a 9.3 existing

But back to chromatus he should be the final boss and with the weird stuff going on in northrend where he's supposed to be sealed...I want him breaking out especially since we know the twilight cult exists

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Amirdrassil in general doesn't feel like a good final raid. It's more about the Night Elves than it is the Dragon Isles as a whole.

I'm getting more confident we'll see 10.1.7 on 8/29 and then season 3 7 weeks later. Here's hoping we see an "In development" event scheduled in on 8/14.

I've had some pretty strong arguments that if we have just 10.2 and that's a wrap on DF, it'd be the shortest expansion and lowest amount of content since WoD. That is a comparison no one should ever want to see. There'd be no garrisons, covid, or world revamp(cata) to handwave away the lack of a 4th raid.

We didn't get a 9.3
This expansion can't be compared to WoD in terms of content simply due to the fact there's more max level outdoor content in the 10.5 zone than all of WoD
We may not have 16 shades of boar but we do have more mounts in 10.1 than all of WoD

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Also 10.1.7 hits before secrets of Azeroth so final Tuesday of August then at least 7 weeks maybe more you get late October
Figure 2 week gap for raid because "story" aka blizzcon
New season in November
7 months lands us in June for end of season so we have two possibilities
1. 10.3 in June with holiday release of 11.0
2. Fated season with epilogue content until prepatch and release on the 20th anniversary

[Worldshaper]

Cool scenario:

Amirdrassil has special properties. It grows on Azeroth, but is linked to both the Shadowlands and the Emerald Dream. It is the anchor inside Reality that keeps the Cycle intact, and allows a connection between living and dead.

Ysera wards the tree from within Ardenweald, Merithra from someplace within the Dream.

On Azeroth, the obvious answer would be the Druids or the Kaldorei. But do the Night Elves really want to keep being the protectors of some tree? Wouldn't they be happier, and wouldn't it be way cooler, if they kindly rejected that offer and instead went to live in the forests of Kalimdor.

This way, different people from all races can choose to be Druids and protect the Cycle.

Night Elves can be the wood elf savages they were always meant to be.

[Raetary]

Cool scenario:

Amirdrassil has special properties. It grows on Azeroth, but is linked to both the Shadowlands and the Emerald Dream. It is the anchor inside Reality that keeps the Cycle intact, and allows a connection between living and dead.

Ysera wards the tree from within Ardenweald, Merithra from someplace within the Dream.

On Azeroth, the obvious answer would be the Druids or the Kaldorei. But do the Night Elves really want to keep being the protectors of some tree? Wouldn't they be happier, and wouldn't it be way cooler, if they kindly rejected that offer and instead went to live in the forests of Kalimdor.

This way, different people from all races can choose to be Druids and protect the Cycle.

Night Elves can be the wood elf savages they were always meant to be.

Ah yes, that totally wouldn't completely defeat the whole purpose of the plot and be just flat out insulting to everybody involved.

Can we, for the love of god, just let this plot end without further pointless additions?

[Plehnard]

Playable night elf always had the same eyes. Nightborne were the first like that. Its an easy way to make them different. Adding an eye lid sounds innocent, but costumization in wow is sparse, so you need to these innocent options. Same as antlers for tauren. Sure its easy to give them to the tauren, but whats the point. If anything you seem to miss the point of that.

Also art.. no explantion needed.

No, they didn't.
The faces in classic had big and slimmer eyes as well, that's some thing that got lost with the new models.
Just start the wraith client and create a NE, there's distinct different eye shapes between the faces.

[Worldshaper]

Ah yes, that totally wouldn't completely defeat the whole purpose of the plot and be just flat out insulting to everybody involved.

Can we, for the love of god, just let this plot end without further pointless additions?

Wait, are you saying that you want the Night Elves to take up residence in some kind of spiritual tree, either in the middle of the ocean or inside the Emerald Dream?

It just sounds so dull to me. More Shandris, less Tyrande.

[Raetary]

Wait, are you saying that you want the Night Elves to take up residence in some kind of spiritual tree, either in the middle of the ocean or inside the Emerald Dream?

It just sounds so dull to me. More Shandris, less Tyrande.

What i want is a decently satisfactory conclusion to the fucking story that Blizzard is dragging behind them for the past 2 and a half expansions.

The tree is a gift from their goddess, her sister, and the thousands of Nelven souls that sacrificed themselves to allow the Nelves to renew their society.
The Nelves abandoning it at the last minute, simply going "No thanks, fuck every friend, relative and every bit of effort that made that tree possible" is like the most idiotic fucking thing that Blizzard could possibly pull.

It would make the entire story completely pointless.
Why would they even include it even if that was the conclusion?

[Worldshaper]

What i want is a decently satisfactory conclusion to the fucking story that Blizzard is dragging behind them for the past 2 and a half expansions.

The tree is a gift from their goddess, her sister, and the thousands of Nelven souls that sacrificed themselves to allow the Nelves to renew their society.
The Nelves abandoning it at the last minute, simply going "No thanks, fuck every friend, relative and every bit of effort that made that tree possible" is like the most idiotic fucking thing that Blizzard could possibly pull.

It would make the entire story completely pointless.
Why would they even include it even if that was the conclusion?

Eh, disagree.

I think the years-long slog that has been the build-up towards the new home for the Night Elves, if anything, would feel wasteful and boring if all they get is something predictable. Like, we waited 5 years for a new tree that is essentially a smaller, less emotionally significant version of Teldrassil? On the Dragon Isles?

And why wouldn't other races have access to the World Tree? If they don't, it's weird, if they do, Night Elves aren't really special in their own home. More like custodians and caretakers so others can use the tree for Emerald Dream stuff.

I think the most impactful and fulfilling ending to that whole story would be if, while a few Priestesses and Druids remain to protect the tree, tend to the spirits of the dead or whatever, the Night Elf people chose a new path.

Instead of chasing after goddesses, some ancient noble past, and what have you, they just pick themselves up and start over. Bye bye world tree, bye bye Elune, bye bye Malfurion and Tyrande.

We're the Night Elves. We live underneath the trees. We prowl the wilderness. We wander beneath the stars at night. We protect our forest from any who dares enter. We're taking back our homeland.