The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

The only thing we can gather from this, it that the final boss is someone we've already encountered during 10.0.

It doesn't say anything about that, just that we would know who the "major villains" are in the first few weeks (Primalists). Like Legion, the final boss may be someone who is not the major villain of the expansion, but a related character acting as an antagonist.

Considering Tyr might have made the Incarnates, and therefore the Primalists...

[micwini]

It doesn't say anything about that, just who the "major villains" are (Primalists). Like Legion, the final boss may be someone who is not the major villain of the expansion, but a related antagonist.

Considering Tyr might have made the Incarnates, and therefore the Primalists...

That last thing is heavily implied (and is how I understood it) from that dragonscale expedition renown quest.

[Cheezits]

That last thing is heavily implied (and is how I understood it) from that dragonscale expedition renown quest.

Which is technically a hint from the "first few weeks" but I don't think that's what the interview was saying. I think it was just saying the story expands over time and the final boss isn't super obvious like Cata, BFA or Shadowlands. But the main villains (Primalists) ARE obvious.

If Tyr is responsible for the Primalist story (and that is likely, who else would have infused Vyranoth's eggs?) then he fits as a final boss as he started the whole conflict.

[Hitei]

Also, Blizz statements may not be 100% true this expac ("no thrid Evoker spec in 10.1").

What was said was, "But yeah, and again, just to restate, there is no hidden third spec in 10.1."

Which is 100% true. Aug was very upfront and direct, and also in 10.1.5

[micwini]

Which is technically a hint from the "first few weeks" but I don't think that's what the interview was saying. I think it was just saying the story expands over time and the final boss isn't super obvious like Cata, BFA or Shadowlands. But the main villains (Primalists) ARE obvious.

If Tyr is responsible for the Primalist story (and that is likely, who else would have infused Vyranoth's eggs?) then he fits as a final boss as he started the whole conflict.

True. But I feel like it would be a bland final boss, power level wise. He's around the same as Loken (wotlk 5 man boss) or Archaedas (classic uldaman lvl 40-50 dungeon).

Then again, we just had Sarkareth.

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I mean it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

The Primalists and the Primal Incarnates are the villains.

They collaborate with different forces, and their campaign will definitely lead into something greater (Void etc). But right now, the "threat" is basically the destabilisation of the world order with Dragons at the top.

At the meta side of things, we should go back and listen to Alexstrasza in the announcement cinematic, about the awakening of the land. Azeroth will wake up. The Dragons want to ensure the path of Order continues all the way till the end. The Void, acting through the Primal Incarnates, want to prevent that in the last minute.

I think this makes a bit more sense. More straight obvious and in our face, instead of a "the guy behind the guy" again.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I mean it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

The Primalists and the Primal Incarnates are the villains.

They collaborate with different forces, and their campaign will definitely lead into something greater (Void etc). But right now, the "threat" is basically the destabilisation of the world order with Dragons at the top.

At the meta side of things, we should go back and listen to Alexstrasza in the announcement cinematic, about the awakening of the land. Azeroth will wake up. The Dragons want to ensure the path of Order continues all the way till the end. The Void, acting through the Primal Incarnates, want to prevent that in the last minute.

I don't know if the Primalists are aware of Iridakron's "Dark bargains" I think it should at least be addressed if the primalists are ok with the Void or not, or even know Iridakron's schemes.

[Makabreska]

What was said was, "But yeah, and again, just to restate, there is no hidden third spec in 10.1."

Which is 100% true. Aug was very upfront and direct, and also in 10.1.5

Ye, ye. They knew what they said and they knew how we will read into this.

[micwini]

I don't know if the Primalists are aware of Iridakron's "Dark bargains" I think it should at least be addressed if the primalists are ok with the Void or not, or even know Iridakron's schemes.

I would hate if they went this direction. Literally the same as the forsworn in SL, who ended up "Fuck, we didn't know THIS was behind it... Damn we were wrong".

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I would hate if they went this direction. Literally the same as the forsworn in SL, who ended up "Fuck, we didn't know THIS was behind it... Damn we were wrong".

The forsworn weren't necessarily proven wrong. There was a problem, the Jailer just decided to use that to his advantage not telling them of his true plans.

They might not be aware, and their goal might just be to cause havoc and "unleash Azeroth's true elemental power" again or something. To right what was wronged to the world in the War of the Scaleborn, in their view.

Or they're just a rebransed Twilight's Hammer cult, seeking to bring about the Hour of Twilight.

Well that havoc seems to be all about "DAMN TITANS CURSE YOUR INTERFERENCE" despite the fact Azeroth herself is a Titan and well I don't see a negative in the Pantheon trying to "order" the planet from chaos(Oh yay no more Elemental Lord and Old God chaos, so bad >_>).

[Cheezits]

The forsworn weren't necessarily proven wrong. There was a problem, the Jailer just decided to use that to his advantage not telling them of his true plans.

The Forsworn weren't even wrong and fundamentally changed a billion-years-old afterlife society because of it. They won.

They did heinous acts, especially the Mawsworn ones, but the ones who still identified as Kyrian won in the end.

[Hitei]

Ye, ye. They knew what they said and they knew how we will read into this.

They said exactly what they said. How people were supposed to read into it is exactly what was meant: "don't expect some hidden new unlockable specialization behind a quest chain in 10.1, there isn't one."

[Makabreska]

They said exactly what they said. How people were supposed to read into it is exactly what was meant: "don't expect some hidden new unlockable specialization behind a quest chain in 10.1, there isn't one."

And they knew it will be understood as "no new spec at all in 10.1". Basically bending words like it is some kind of an infernal contract.

[Hitei]

And they knew it will be understood as "no new spec at all in 10.1". Basically bending words like it is some kind of an infernal contract.

Which there fucking wasn't.

That is the whole point. People were wrongly getting hyped up over there being a spec in a patch where there wasn't one, so they said "Hey, there's no hidden spec in this patch, stop expecting one."

[Cheezits]

And they knew it will be understood as "no new spec at all in 10.1". Basically bending words like it is some kind of an infernal contract.

He told the truth while also keeping the third spec being real a surprise. Not bending words.

[Alanar]

Ah, man. Keyboardturn on Twitter posted these old images from Ulduar.

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...74035031760896

I would get so, so excited if they did something (relatively) unexpected and just unearthed a whole boatload of nautical themed content for us with 11.0. I'm talking:

• Travel out to sea, but instead of finding a whole continent we find like... a region of the sea which contains maybe an archipelago with a few larger islands, some deep underwater areas, and perhaps lots of shallow water areas around the islands as well.
• Meet a modern spin on the naga, merpeople. See their underwater city with glowing spires and stuff.
• Fish, sharks, whales, crabs, pirates, ships and all that stuff.
• Tropical beaches and jungles, volcanoes, and more.
• Fishing revamp.
• Uldaz could be a Titan facility on the largest isle, perhaps the one being defended by the "Heretics". This large island could be the size of the Azure Span perhaps. With a dense jungle surrounding the facility. Maybe the whole Spanish conquistador and Inquisition-theme spotted on the Shop transmogs comes into play there. Delve into the ancient wilderness, face off with the locals, find the treasure.
• Some islands might have small colonies of shipwrecked sailors, or perhaps little villages of pygmies or whatever.
• Dragonriding could translate into something similar to what they had in Avatar: The Way of Water, with water-inspired mounts that can both fly and dive into the sea for an uninterrupted "flying" experience.
• King Triton-like character introduced?
• Explore the elemental domain of water for the first time? Only one we haven't been to, afaik. Water is heavily linked to the theme of "life" in most media. Would fit well after visiting the Emerald Dream, and perhaps when we're also trying to save Azeroth from the Void.
• Could Tel'abim be involved? Retconned to be west of Kalimdor perhaps? Or does all this take place east of Kalimdor maybe?
• The ultimate antagonist could, of course, be Queen Azshara and her Naga, working with the Void. Their stronghold or palace might be near the Maelstrom again, only this time a super-charged version of Nazjatar.

Edit:

Mermaids even have lore from BfA: https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mermaid

I would love this honestly. Add in plunder island and the actual sense of exploring the south seas!

[Cheezits]

Boat content of some kind is backed up by the updated Nelf and Belf boats in the files that have yet to appear in Dragonflight.

Maybe Avaloren is Atlantis, and that's why it's hard to get there/debris wash up?

[micwini]

And they knew it will be understood as "no new spec at all in 10.1". Basically bending words like it is some kind of an infernal contract.

They get PR training for stuff exactly like this. So that they can point at it after and be like "here we said this". I know they've broken this a few times in the past, but that's the gist of it.

Especially Ion does this very well since he used to be a lawyer.

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Boat content of some kind is backed up by the updated Nelf and Belf boats in the files that have yet to appear in Dragonflight.

Maybe Avaloren is Atlantis, and that's why it's hard to get there/debris wash up?

There is also the 'new water' that is in the cinematic for Exiles reach. That could be some early work for how the sea would look.
The true South Sea expansion.

[Cheezits]

Jinyu v2 popping up in the Character Race database this expansion, plus the new fish mount, also point to it. I hope that's not the entirety of the new expansion but it would make a lot of sense if the new areas were all the remaining islands on Azeroth.

I'm still hoping for Cata 2, but instead of the new zones being hidden Azeroth zones and elemental planes its islands.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Are we so sure about that, these days?

I feel like Azeroth's Titan identity might just be from the POV of the Titan Pantheon. They travel around the cosmos and discover World-souls. They shape and transform the potential World-souls/Planets they come across in their image, shaping the land by the laws of Order and influencing the World-soul slumbering within. From their POV, there is only one true path, only one correct outcome - the one they are seeking to establish. They are of Order, after all. Thinking of things in black and white is kind of their whole schtick. They're almost like some kind of computer algorithm. Just think of all that Brann Bronzebeard content with datapads and code and stuff.

But in reality, World-souls might just be their own thing. Incredibly potent celestial beings, with latent powers that theoretically could be used to win the Cosmic War, if you're willing to use it.

The Burning Legion just wanted to break shit, because Disorder is literally chaotic.

The Jailer, by hijacking Death, wanted to use our World-soul as a gigabattery to reshape the Cosmos. Maybe he figured Void was on the path to victory and couldn't be beaten.

The Void wants to slurp the World-soul up and turn it into a Void Lord or a Dark Titan or something like that.

The Titans, as hinted at earlier, wants to turn it into a Titan. Perhaps just just any Titan. The Last Titan. The One to shape the universe according to the plan.

Not really sure what Life or the Wild Gods want. Is Elune a being of Life or Light? Maybe we'll find out more in 10.2.

The Light probably has something similar to Order in mind. Only perhaps less robotic and more along the lines of some megachurch where people spend all day celebrating the Light, do not think for themselves, and are just awash in lovely, beautiful, radiant light. Question it and get stoned to death.

She's still called a Titan. Unless you want to retcon Legion stuff, and Battle for Azeroth. Like no She's a Titan we all know this.

[Cheezits]

I think Azeroth wasn't always a titan but by now she is.