The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

We still don’t know what the majority of their whispers meant, such as “the Lord of ravens will turn the key” and “five torches to light our coming”. I think the only two that had any bearing on future content was “the king of diamonds has been made a pawn” and “to find her drown yourself in a circle of stars”. There are more such as “the boy king sits at the masters table”, which haven’t been explained too.

I’m pretty sure that the devs have been cited that they don’t write their whispers in terms of tying them to future content. I have no doubt that they tie some of it back to their whispers in hindsight, but it isn’t actually planned. There’s no way they were seeding future content back in Legion with vague Old God whispers for expansions set four expansions away.

The boy king line was anduin getting mind controlled
Master of ravens when combined with the ogre book is the master of the foresworn who was the Jailer ALTHOUGH an argument can be made for it being khadgar.

I'm not saying they planned tge whispers around future content but they definitely take them into account and use whispers as hints for the future content.

There was something about his crown will open the veil or whatever and then we got SL

[Woggmer]

We still don’t know what the majority of their whispers meant, such as “the Lord of ravens will turn the key” and “five torches to light our coming”. I think the only two that had any bearing on future content was “the king of diamonds has been made a pawn” and “to find her drown yourself in a circle of stars”. There are more such as “the boy king sits at the masters table”, which haven’t been explained too.

I’m pretty sure that the devs have been cited that they don’t write their whispers in terms of tying them to future content. I have no doubt that they tie some of it back to their whispers in hindsight, but it isn’t actually planned. There’s no way they were seeding future content back in Legion with vague Old God whispers for expansions set four expansions away.

The Lord of Ravens could be anyone who is wielding Atiesh and is the new Guardian. Either it will be Khadgar or Medivh's spirit, so what I get from this is simple...

Something is coming, and Khadgar (for whatever reason) is gonna open the way for them. Similar to how Medivh opened the Dark Portal allowing the orcs to invade Azeroth and kickstart the First War.

The five torches light our coming is basically the Dragon Aspects, or how the five aspects will activate some artifact that Iridikron would steal to use for his own ends.

[Hitei]

The Lord of Ravens could be anyone who is wielding Atiesh and is the new Guardian. Either it will be Khadgar or Medivh's spirit, so what I get from this is simple...

Or Odyn, or Anzu, or Kur'talos, or Sylvanas.

The five torches light our coming is basically the Dragon Aspects, or how the five aspects will activate some artifact that Iridikron would steal to use for his own ends.

Or the five sigils in SL, or the five pillars of creation in Legion, or the five Old Gods.


It's very easy to retroactively point at stuff that meets vague relevancy and go "look, it was talking about that", but that doesn't change that most of the lines are written without a context and can be applied to all sorts of situations and people.

[huth]

The boy king line was anduin getting mind controlled
Master of ravens when combined with the ogre book is the master of the foresworn who was the Jailer ALTHOUGH an argument can be made for it being khadgar.

I'm not saying they planned tge whispers around future content but they definitely take them into account and use whispers as hints for the future content.

There was something about his crown will open the veil or whatever and then we got SL

Those are all after the fact attributions, though. Yes, the connection makes sense. That doesn't mean it is intentional.

[Revamp Man]

Those are all after the fact attributions, though. Yes, the connection makes sense. That doesn't mean it is intentional.

It isn't intentional in the sense they write around whispers but it is intentional in the sense they are becoming part of the story over time

[Woggmer]

Or Odyn, or Anzu, or Kur'talos, or Sylvanas.


Or the five sigils in SL, or the five pillars of creation in Legion, or the five Old Gods.


It's very easy to retroactively point at stuff that meets vague relevancy and go "look, it was talking about that", but that doesn't change that most of the lines are written without a context and can be applied to all sorts of situations and people.

Which is still pretty vague, but it also doesn't help that Legion whispers also factor in to DF as well, especially how Iridikron draws his strength from the Earth.. and that it was also the Old God's strength. So, we'll leave that one as "it can be anything or nothing"

As for the Lord of Ravens thing, Odyn was also a possibility and the most interesting one... the rest not so much. Anzu is still stuck in AU Draenor (which we have no idea what happened to the Arakkoa from that timeline in the Mag'har story), Kur'talos would've made sense in Legion but he doesn't play a huge factor into anything, and Sylvanas doesn't fit the description and I'm pretty sure she'll stay there for a while.

But really either Odyn, Khadgar, or Medivh would fit the bill as Lord of Ravens.

[Ersula]

It isn't intentional in the sense they write around whispers but it is intentional in the sense they are becoming part of the story over time

That's called a coincidence. And it's also called "if we change our plans for the writing down the line it does not matter because the whispers are so vague they might as well be meaningless" for example:

Sylvanas doesn't fit the description and I'm pretty sure she'll stay there for a while.

But really either Odyn, Khadgar, or Medivh would fit the bill as Lord of Ravens.

Sylvanas' Lordaeron pseudonym is Lindsay Ravensun, literally meaning Landowner (Lord) of Ravens

[Woggmer]

What do you mean jury is out?

We won't know if the Night Elves will be having their new home in Ohn'ahran Plains or somewhere else.

For me personally, Kalimdor is their ancestral homelands. If the Night Elves leave it then the Horde will have full control of Kalimdor. "Well the Horde burned down our tree, and we were forced to live in Nordrassil... guess we'll move elsewhere."

And for that matter, why build another World Tree for their home? Staghelm wanted to make a world tree and Malfurion told him it was a bad idea... and it turned out that both Vordrassil was corrupted and so was Teldrassil...

I'm willing to bet that if they're gonna make this next World Tree, it's gonna get corrupted again... and whatever is causing this corruption is rooted DEEP in the earth that we have to go in a clear it out.

[Catastrophy349]

For Azeroth!

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[Revamp Man]

That's called a coincidence. And it's also called "if we change our plans for the writing down the line it does not matter because the whispers are so vague they might as well be meaningless" for example:Sylvanas' Lordaeron pseudonym is Lindsay Ravensun, literally meaning Landowner (Lord) of Ravens

Nothing in writing is a coincidence in WoW
The whispers are hints but they aren't "this will happen next"
They remain vague and tied to story but not so clear and precise that they tell you how it will unfold
"The boy king sits at the master's table" meant for sure anduin was serving a dark master but it didn't mean "He's gonna get the Arthas treatment"

[Worldshaper]

For Azeroth!

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Oh my god, so Chris Metzen is confirmed to be presenting the next expansion. This brings me back to the BlizzCons of yore, and really feels like yet another confirmation that we're in for something big.

He's 100% going to talk about 30 years of Warcraft and 20 years of WoW, and what that means to him and all of us before pivoting to the announcement.

It also feels so freaking good to see that he and Ybarra are going to see Metallica. Chris bringing the rock n roll back to Blizzard!

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So let's have some fun.

Metzen is announcing it, Thrall is the poster boy, and it coincides with the 20th anniversary of the game.

It also follows right on the heels of some Dragon, Void, Elemental and Emerald Dream shenanigans, and based on the trend set in Legion and Shadowlands, it'll likely continue and escalate that theme somewhat.

What are the most likely outcomes? In what scenario would Thrall fit right in and not feel forced or out of his element (hehe)?

• Azeroth is broken, we need to heal her?
• Elemental planes?
• Kalimdor focused revamp?
• Just a revamp in general, back to basics?
• Return to Draenor?
• Maelstrom (whirl)pool party?

[Revamp Man]

Oh my god, so Chris Metzen is confirmed to be presenting the next expansion. This brings me back to the BlizzCons of yore, and really feels like yet another confirmation that we're in for something big.

He's 100% going to talk about 30 years of Warcraft and 20 years of WoW, and what that means to him and all of us before pivoting to the announcement.

It also feels so freaking good to see that he and Ybarra are going to see Metallica. Chris bringing the rock n roll back to Blizzard!

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So let's have some fun.

Metzen is announcing it, Thrall is the poster boy, and it coincides with the 20th anniversary of the game.

It also follows right on the heels of some Dragon, Void, Elemental and Emerald Dream shenanigans, and based on the trend set in Legion and Shadowlands, it'll likely continue and escalate that theme somewhat.

What are the most likely outcomes? In what scenario would Thrall fit right in and not feel forced or out of his element (hehe)?

• Azeroth is broken, we need to heal her?
• Elemental planes?
• Kalimdor focused revamp?
• Just a revamp in general, back to basics?
• Return to Draenor?
• Maelstrom (whirl)pool party?

Elemental planes are my bet
They are a constant between every planet and are manipulated by outside forces so they are like progenitor forces
Plus the fire plane is having issues

[Xilurm]

Nice, can't wait to see Metzen bring the hype.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Oh my god, so Chris Metzen is confirmed to be presenting the next expansion. This brings me back to the BlizzCons of yore, and really feels like yet another confirmation that we're in for something big.

Excellent! I was hoping for it, and I'm glad that his anxiety (implicitly) really has subsided.

[Santandame]

The boy king line was anduin getting mind controlled
Master of ravens when combined with the ogre book is the master of the foresworn who was the Jailer ALTHOUGH an argument can be made for it being khadgar.

I'm not saying they planned tge whispers around future content but they definitely take them into account and use whispers as hints for the future content.

There was something about his crown will open the veil or whatever and then we got SL

The boy king one doesn’t really make sense though as why would the Old Gods refer to the Jailer as the master? He’s their enemy. The Jailer wasn’t even referred to as the master in his own expansion - Denathrius was.

[Revamp Man]

The boy king one doesn’t really make sense though as why would the Old Gods refer to the Jailer as the master? He’s their enemy. The Jailer wasn’t even referred to as the master in his own expansion - Denathrius was.

Because he was the mastermind behind everything that happened on Azeroth
The old gods didn't serve him but he had his finger in every pie

[Teriz]

20th anniversary WoW expansion with Chris Metzen introducing it. Looking forward to it.

[Raetary]

For Azeroth!

https://twitter.com/qwik/status/1688...jgkgWvRvHdAuNA

Now this!
This makes me very excited for this year.

[Santandame]

Because he was the mastermind behind everything that happened on Azeroth
The old gods didn't serve him but he had his finger in every pie

I think that’s a stretch though, calling him the master because of that. I just don’t see why the Old Gods would refer to one of their enemies as the master. It’s a very flimsy connection at best.

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So, I read stuff from the Illidan novel...and like...

The Azewrath stuff doesn't retcon ANYTHING in regards to the "1 Legion" stuff. Hell, if anything, the Illidan novel just helps it out.

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I'm really fucking happy to see him back. Bro is my childhood.

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Well, for one thing, I think that line just didn't come to pass. Also, the "master" stuff definitely did apply to the Jailer, even if not directly stated. Sire Denathrius is called "the master of lies" or so sure, but he also seems to "serve" the Jailer in some form, especially if you saw the cinematic where he basically wanks the Jailer off to Renathal.

Denathrius was referred to as simply the “master” several times during the Revendreth campaign. The Jailer whilst seemingly Denathrius master (though that is definitely up for debate) was never referred to as the master by anyone during Shadowlands.

I know it’s pedantic but it’s what we have to go off in game.

I’m sorry but I just don’t buy that the boy king line was intended to foreshadow Anduin joining forces with the Jailer. If it’s been made that way after the fact then it’s a poor excuse.

It doesn’t even make sense. The line makes it sound like it was done willingly. Anduin was controlled. Also, what three lies did Anduin offer us? What three lies did the Jailer offer us at that?

[Dracullus]

It's great news, Metzen should announce expac, Ion lead what's next panel.

I hope Holly Longdale won't screw up this moment, she and John Hight were terrible on everything I saw from Blizzcons/reveals. I guess she's probably for Classic stuff, which can be interesting as well. Will they just move to Cata and call it a day?