The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

It's because they simply aren't either of them. They are bat people. Bats that evolved to become intelligent and bipedal due to exposure to the Worldsoul energies.

Quills and tusks aren't really features of bats.

[Auxis]

Quills and tusks aren't really features of bats.

inb4 very specific species of bat with quills and tusks.

[Vakir]

As a potential time to give us playable Ethereals, as well! :>

That lower left map corner plus absolutely no reward for the Unraveled and Persevering meta achievement and the unused music AND the unused Venari celebration dialogue and the Gleeful Glamour enchant all haunt me.

It's obviously not gonna happen at this point, it's just wild how many stars aligned and still panned to nothing. Maybe it's a post-Voidstorm thing that was moved like the Haranir.

[Dvalin]

That lower left map corner plus absolutely no reward for the Unraveled and Persevering meta achievement and the unused music AND the unused Venari celebration dialogue and the Gleeful Glamour enchant all haunt me.

It's obviously not gonna happen at this point, it's just wild how many stars aligned and still panned to nothing. Maybe it's a post-Voidstorm thing that was moved like the Haranir.

The unused voiceline is only a really short one. And I don't know about the music, which track are you referring to?

Good one about the meta achievement. I hope TWW will also have an all-encompassing meta, just like BFA, SL and DF. Can't wait for the Legion one, either.

[Vakir]

The unused voiceline is only a really short one. And I don't know about the music, which track are you referring to?

It's mashed in there, I'll check later today. It was brought up in the thread about 500 pages ago at this rate.

Even without those two it's like..."this is such a weird mixture of occurrences." Literally THE only non-player race Gleeful Glamour. There are other older non-playable candidates with more animations than them! The camp site is typically tied to the meta achievement but isn't this time. The bottom left is SO conspicuous - this isn't an Ogre Draenor situation, they could fit everything to look fine by just not stylizing Omega's size the way they did it.

I am 1000% not pushing this is happening, and I'm not even saying it eventually will, I'm just saying, something definitely feels fishy.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, I wouldnt count on the K'aresh Meta giving anything. I imagine it's just there so that they don't have to make one later when they make the proper TWW Meta requiring You Xal not pass, the Undermine, and the K'aresh meta.

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It's mashed in there, I'll check later today. It was brought up in the thread about 500 pages ago at this rate.

Even without those two it's like..."this is such a weird mixture of occurrences." Literally THE only non-player race Gleeful Glamour. There are other older non-playable candidates with more animations than them! The camp site is typically tied to the meta achievement but isn't this time. The bottom left is SO conspicuous - this isn't an Ogre Draenor situation, they could fit everything to look fine by just not stylizing Omega's size the way they did it.

I am 1000% not pushing this is happening, and I'm not even saying it eventually will, I'm just saying, something definitely feels fishy.

I am going to be honest here. While I initially thought it was suspicious in the way that it would lead to something. I now think it's more conspicous in relation to the Voidstorm seemingly having been originally planned as K'aresh. With the K'aresh we got possibly having been larger and containing bits of what will be the Voidstorm zone originally until they split them into two separate things.

[Vakir]

Yeah, it's entirely possible K'aresh is a displaced part of the Voidstorm zone. Lots of Ethereal assets there. The lack of meta reward isn't something on its own. Still, an alarming number of just bizarre decisions.

[Dvalin]

Yeah, it's entirely possible K'aresh is a displaced part of the Voidstorm zone. Lots of Ethereal assets there. The lack of meta reward isn't something on its own. Still, an alarming number of just bizarre decisions.

Ehhhh, this is a bit hyperbolic. Meta awards aren't always a given, especially not if similar rewards are there but obtained through other means. The usual variety of achievements (through quests, treasures, phase-diving, etc.) is there. Music, voice-acting, assets (raid-design, boss-mobs, skybox, some architecture) are all unique and haven't been shown in the Voidstorm zone apart from some Shadowguard presence (which architecture is still different than the new Voidstorm one). And as I mentioned earlier, the only real missing bit seems to be one line of dialogue of Ve'nari (which may not trigger accordingly), and others mentioned the lack of pet battles. That's it. Races and the like are somewhat incorporated into the Ecological Succesion quests.

[The-Shan]

I think there should be a Horde-exclusive scenario at the end of this where they bring back the Convocation of Silvermoon and raise the Theron line to Royalty, making Bob king (and then Thalyssra reveals she is pregnant cause of course she will be) and after that there is a common scenario where we are invited to the Court of the Sun so King Theron can congratulate all of us for saving Quel'thalas like the Amirdrassil celebration. While you are in that phase, you can walk around a phased version of the Court of the Sun and Sunfury Spire and when you exit it, you exit into the Sanctum of the Light.

I think they will do something similar in 11.2.7 with Ve'nari at the Oasis btw. ESO does this for every single zone (and every important NPC shows up with more NPCs showing if you completed all side quests).

I really think he deserves to be elevated to royalty, he's lead the nation through hardship, restored it to its glory, and saved the Sin'dorei from oblivion. He also retained the regency, likely in the case that a Sunstrider might step forward to reclaim the throne, but none has. (Unless one does in Midnight!)

You are absolutely right, and I think the final act in the restoration of Quel'thalas is the creation of a new royal line or the restoration of the Sunstriders.

[Nymrohd]

I really think he deserves to be elevated to royalty, he's lead the nation through hardship, restored it to its glory, and saved the Sin'dorei from oblivion. He also retained the regency, likely in the case that a Sunstrider might step forward to reclaim the throne, but none has. (Unless one does in Midnight!)

You are absolutely right, and I think the final act in the restoration of Quel'thalas is the creation of a new royal line or the restoration of the Sunstriders.

I mostly do not want Silvermoon to be ruled by the Convocation. Not because I'd mind but I'd rather not have a few weeks of Horde players obsessing about everything being turned into a council.

[Rhlor]

I want see more about lorthemar and thalyssra

[Nymrohd]

I want see more about lorthemar and thalyssra

So, a sex tape?

[Cheezits]

I think this is the list of confusing Ethereal things, bolded are the most damning ones to me-

- K'aresh was introduced with Ethereals, but 11.2 K'aresh is 80% Brokers
- K'aresh is extremely short on content compared to Khaz Algar and Undermine
- Consortium is mentioned and present in Tazavesh, but not a single questline with them
- Armor sets, weapons, and seasonal dirigible and are all themed around Ethereals
- Ethereal story continues in Midnight instead of scrapping them
- Gleeful Glamour: Ethereal unlocks on or around supposed 11.2.5 release
- New Ethereal wearing clothes (!) appears in Neighborhoods- could be 11.2.7 or 12.0 depending on what unlocks

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Are there still wretched left after the sunwell was restored? Wretched/Withered only happend from mana starvation. So, they shouldn't be a thing anymore.

Wretched never came from mana starvation they were from tapping to much mana unlike the withered.

In theory there’s nothing stopping blood elfs from continuing to tap mana even with the sun well so some turning into wretched are still possible and would be fitting for some power hungry blood elfs trying to min max there magic.

[Nymrohd]

I think this is the list of confusing Ethereal things, bolded are the most damning ones to me-

- K'aresh was introduced with Ethereals, but 11.2 K'aresh is 80% Brokers
- K'aresh is extremely short on content compared to Khaz Algar and Undermine
- Consortium is mentioned and present in Tazavesh, but not a single questline with them
- Armor sets, weapons, and seasonal dirigible and are all themed around Ethereals
- Ethereal story continues in Midnight instead of scrapping them
- Gleeful Glamour: Ethereal unlocks on or around supposed 11.2.5 release
- New Ethereal wearing clothes (!) appears in Neighborhoods- could be 11.2.7 or 12.0 depending on what unlocks

I swear I've seen evidence in data that there were cartel reps for K'aresh. Nothing that ever made it to PTR. I'll go hunt it down.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=249700/deal-cartel-zo
https://www.wowhead.com/item=249702/deal-cartel-ba

[Cheezits]

I wouldnt be surprised if lore reveals they ARE the dark trolls encountered during the battle for mt hyjal. Why else would they be there?

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Dark_troll

They definitely are Dark Trolls that SOMEHOW became more elf-like without the presence of a magic source- unless the Dawnwell is what did it. Either they were teleported to the roots or went there to escape something.

[Thros]

He said at the Midnight dev panel "not really elves, not really trolls", feels like Occam's razor suggests they're the intermediary between dark trolls and night elves. A missing link so to speak

We already had seen a dark troll in BFA, and a missing link makes no sense because the transformation is magical, similar to Azshara to naga. They could be a unique race that has no connection, or they could be some offshoot of elves, quillboars, etc.

[Cheezits]

I swear I've seen evidence in data that there were cartel reps for K'aresh. Nothing that ever made it to PTR. I'll go hunt it down.

There are 3 Broker "contracts" that unlock around 11.2.5, with titles associated, that last a week. It was discussed here that they could just be for flavor but there is a secret Xy cartel mount so they may not just be for the titles.

[milkmustache]

I think this is the list of confusing Ethereal things, bolded are the most damning ones to me-

- K'aresh was introduced with Ethereals, but 11.2 K'aresh is 80% Brokers
- Consortium is mentioned and present in Tazavesh, but not a single questline with them
- Armor sets, weapons, and seasonal dirigible and are all themed around Ethereals
- Ethereal story continues in Midnight instead of scrapping them
- Gleeful Glamour: Ethereal unlocked around 11.2.5
- New Ethereal wearing clothes (!) appears in Neighborhoods

You know, I just started to type up a sort of devil's advocate response to this, just to lower my own expectations, and I had to stop. This is all just weird. If it amounts to nothing, it's weird. If it amounts to something in Midnight, I guess that's fine. But as it stands now, this being K'aresh is... weird. I just don't get it.

[Cheezits]

We already had seen a dark troll in BFA, and a missing link makes no sense because the transformation is magical, similar to Azshara to naga. They could be a unique race that has no connection, or they could be some offshoot of elves, quillboars, etc.

Said Dark Troll could just be one that didn't go with the Haranir.

The "missing link" is just a way to say they represent a troll halfway into becoming an elf. Hence smaller tusks, both trollish and elf-like feet with heel claw, etc.

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You know, I just started to type up a sort of devil's advocate response to this, just to lower my own expectations, and I had to stop. This is all just weird. If it amounts to nothing, it's weird. If it amounts to something in Midnight, I guess that's fine. But as it stands now, this being K'aresh is... weird. I just don't get it.

If they aren't in TWW I'll wait to see if the Consortium is around in Midnight alpha. If not, this is juicy conspiracy stuff.