The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Dragonflight not having 3 major content patches is supposedly anti-consumer despite there being absolutely nothing promising 3 patches or indicating that such a thing will happen.

Remember that expansion prices are lower now.

Uhm, not when you bought them at launch/preordered. But, nice try.

[Revamp Man]

IMO 10.2 has not a chance of being live early October.

It is going to be bigger than 10.1. It would probably have a new system and a revamp of at least another system to make it evergreen. Plus the raid, the zone and whatever they come up with.

It would need lots of testing. Even if it comes to PTR tonight it would not be live until at the very least mid-October.

But, I would love to be wrong.

Yeah I was talking to guildies and we figure release after blizzcon

[Dracullus]

However, I still blame Blizzard for this confusion and for using X.1 instead of X.X.5 in low-effort patches for marketing purposes.

They sorted out patch naming after Ion took charge, after that X.X ALWAYS mean middle or big patch and X.X.X small or as you call "non-effort" patch (8.2.5 or 9.0.5 comes to mind).

[Cheezits]

Uhm, not when you bought them at launch/preordered. But, nice try.

The price of the base game, without sales, dropped I believe from $60 to $50.

[Woggmer]

I have to disagree. Unless 10.2 is wildly different from what we expect by having the Emerald Dream stuff just be a bit of fluff compared to actual Titan Keeper shenanigans then so many plotlines would just anticlimactically end.
We need a proper ending to the whole storyline regarding the Titan Keepers tampering with Dragon eggs, among which important plotpoints is the Red Dragon egg we found in Waking Shores levelling, and what Tyr was actually attempting to achieve by infusing the dragons with Order.
For that matter we need a finale to the Tyr questline. And unless Blizzard is going for the most pointless aside award then that finale needs to have Tyr be antagonistic in some sense by the end.

There are definitely plotlines that could be carried over, but not to this extent.

There's also the fact that the final boss of Brackenhide Hollow ran away before we could kill her. So she is still on the loose, and the fact that she has decay magic is a bad sign for Emerald Dream related stuff.

[Dracullus]

The price of the base game, without sales, dropped I believe from $60 to $50.

Not really. Since WoD it was 50$. In SL they introduced version without boost for 40$, but in DF everything went up 10$, so we are back to 50 - but without boost.

And it's not like I remember these numbers. I just did basic google research before I posted.

[Darkarath]

There's also the fact that the final boss of Brackenhide Hollow ran away before we could kill her. So she is still on the loose, and the fact that she has decay magic is a bad sign for Emerald Dream related stuff.

I think that Decay will be related to Iridikron, not to Fyrakk. Decatriarch Wrateye (BH's last boss) would probably be a future raid boss. I just do not see her in 10.2's raid as it would be fire themed, but who knows? Maybe to change things a bit.

What I am pretty sure is that Vyranoth will not be a boss in 10.2's raid. It would not make sense to get rid of two Incarnates in one raid. Plus we have seen very little about Vyranoth, while with 10.1.7 Fyrakk would probably be more developed than Raszageth (and I cannot wait to see more about him, honestly, he is really funny in a good way).

[Woggmer]

I think that Decay will be related to Iridikron, not to Fyrakk. Decatriarch Wrateye (BH's last boss) would probably be a future raid boss. I just do not see her in 10.2's raid as it would be fire themed, but who knows? Maybe to change things a bit.

What I am pretty sure is that Vyranoth will not be a boss in 10.2's raid. It would not make sense to get rid of two Incarnates in one raid. Plus we have seen very little about Vyranoth, while with 10.1.7 Fyrakk would probably be more developed than Raszageth (and I cannot wait to see more about him, honestly, he is really funny in a good way).

True, but in Legion they snuck in a decaying dragon as the first boss of the Emerald Nightmare, who did seem out of place in the entire raid. So they might throw her in as an extra boss to shake up the raid boss line-up. Kinda like that one Broker boss from Castle Nath that we fight later in the Sepulcher.

[Ersula]

We will obviously get 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 and I expect them to be similar in quality to the previous 10.X.5 and 10.X.7 patches.

Why are we even talking about this like there's any evidence of it? The 10.1 & 10.2 roadmap is just the 2023 roadmap. There's obviously going to be another major Dragonflight patch & raid in 2024. 11.0 is going to come out sometime between next fall & early summer 2025: Same as always.

[Worldshaper]

Why are we even talking about this like there's any evidence of it? The 10.1 & 10.2 roadmap is just the 2023 roadmap. There's obviously going to be another major Dragonflight patch & raid in 2024. 11.0 is going to come out sometime between next fall & early summer 2025: Same as always.

My dude, when did expansions "always" release between fall and summer? The traditional release window is between August and January.

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Regarding 10.3, I think what we can assume is that if it does exist, it will be more of a way for us to say goodbye to Dragonflight than anything else. Perhaps a nice transition into 11.0.

The reason being that it would be announced alongside 11.0 at BlizzCon. If we already know what 11.0 is, it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep 10.3 wrapped in mystery and suspense.

[Well Done Steak]

10.3 will definitely exist.

It'll be the culmination of Tyr and Alex's story

Tyr has no business in green dragon shenanigans.

[Xilurm]

The presence of Metzen could just as well be suitable for a WoW 2...

All the planets are aligned, the hype is at its peak. The announcement will shake the whole earth. We may not all make it out alive...YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

I hope you've taken precautions in case of severe disappointment.

[Catastrophy349]

Keep in mind, the cinematic for Patch 10.0.7 released on the SAME DAY as the announcement of 10.1 and the release date for 10.0.7. We got the cinematic for 10.0.7 on March 8 (announcement day) and patch didn't release until March 21.

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Also, didn't catch it until now, but the announcement for 10.1.7 release today has Vyranoth and Fyrakk in the background facing one another.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

there probably won't be a 10.3, if it is it will be a transitional patch which is something we've not received since 8.2.5 [the patch teasing shadowlands]

[Ersula]

My dude, when did expansions "always" release between fall and summer? The traditional release window is between August and January.

I think you're thinking of the August releases, which were the *following* August. Not the previous August. So yeah. Between September (fall) and August (Summer)

there probably won't be a 10.3, if it is it will be a transitional patch which is something we've not received since 8.2.5 [the patch teasing shadowlands]

You people actually think they've transitioned from 2 year expansions to 1 year expansions? And also Visions of N'Zoth apparently never existed.

Don't forget, we are getting ACTUAL content/story in 10.X.5/7 patches unlike previous expansions. DF has had A LOT of content already (considering we are ONLY in patch 10.1.5). With 10.1.7 upcoming, 10.2 soon after, "if" 10.2 is the FINAL "major patch", that's not to say we won't get more "story content/content in general" for 10.2.5/.7 before 11.0.

"We pushed out an unprecedented amount of DF content in 2023 so we could create the biggest content drought in WoW history! We did it, Joe"

[Melorandor]

WoW 2 will not fix the issues that plagued WoW.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The presence of Metzen could just as well be suitable for a WoW 2...

All the planets are aligned, the hype is at its peak. The announcement will shake the whole earth. We may not all make it out alive...YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

Good idea. Allow Blizzard to make a game divorced from what little residue is left of what WoW once was. Can't wait to see the microtransaction-oriented single-player gameplay that comes with giving Blizzard the freedom to further fundamentally remake the game around Kotick's demands.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

So what do you suggest?

Honestly I can see a "WoW 2" as a reboot to fix the issues that the game has stored up over the years.

I understand that many are disappointed and no longer expect anything from Blizzard, it's legitimate after all they have been able to do... But this is only one idea among many others. I'm not even really convinced that they want to change things, but hope gives life.

I agree on principle, but disagree according to context. In addition to the precedent Blizzard has set leaving me a bit cynical about the prospects of a new MMO, there doesn't seem like sufficient justification for it. As close as the game teeters to death now, I don't see any justification to sink such a significant cost on such a relatively risky project, especially since they're currently milking another franchise that's far cheaper to make and maintain, with a userbase far more tolerant of Blizzard's typical shenanigans.

[Mecheon]

So what do you suggest?

Honestly I can see a "WoW 2" as a reboot to fix the issues that the game has stored up over the years.

I understand that many are disappointed and no longer expect anything from Blizzard, it's legitimate after all they have been able to do... But this is only one idea among many others. I'm not even really convinced that they want to change things, but hope makes you live as they say.

WoW's been pretty good at handling its issues, provided we're being distinct of 'issues' and 'design decisions'.

There's no guarantee a WoW 2 would even be anything like WoW 1 anyway, as much as people push out the "Look what WoW would look like in the Unreal Engine (with these exact same settings that aren't as compatabile as WoW is)" clickbait. FFXIV isn't "FFXI but better", and 11 fans hate 14 to the point they wanted it to crash and burn because it wasn't just 11 but more. Everquest 2 was a different beast to Everquest 1. A WoW 2 release in this day and age would be such a different beast to regular WoW I wouldn't be surprised if it scared away half the regular audience, or we could even get an 11 situation where WoW becomes "Only play it if you want to look at history or suffer"

[Revamp Man]

I think you're thinking of the August releases, which were the *following* August. Not the previous August. So yeah. Between September (fall) and August (Summer)
You people actually think they've transitioned from 2 year expansions to 1 year expansions? And also Visions of N'Zoth apparently never existed.
"We pushed out an unprecedented amount of DF content in 2023 so we could create the biggest content drought in WoW history! We did it, Joe"

Launching next fall doesn't make it a one year expansion

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So what do you suggest?

Honestly I can see a "WoW 2" as a reboot to fix the issues that the game has stored up over the years.

I understand that many are disappointed and no longer expect anything from Blizzard, it's legitimate after all they have been able to do... But this is only one idea among many others. I'm not even really convinced that they want to change things, but hope makes you live as they say.

Many of the issues with WoW are from two sources
1. Community driven perception
2. Dev ego