The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Catastrophy349]

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[Hitei]

Looks like 10.2 is getting released later than the current cadence. Im guessing no 10.3

I said previously that the timing still works if they decide to just not announce an expansion at Blizzcon and talk about 10.3 there instead. But now that they're seemingly pulling Metzen back in I really can't see that happening.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Ending DF with just the two incarnates would be a very odd DF ending.

[Reive]

patch 10.3 is coming 100%. the idea that we're going to be stuck with patch 10.2 for more than 1 year is really stupid. this is not mop, wow can't really afford such content drought anymore. And no, the fated season doesn't count because it's meant to be a short season made with recycled content.

[Dracullus]

The season would start the week after blizzcon, so yeah timing wise it just fits

More likely patch on 7th November and season week later. Patch, especially big patch requires ton of hotfixes.

There is also possibility that right after Blizzcon anniversary event will start and patch launch 3 weeks later. Blizzard tend to do this, they avoid giving rep buffs for fresh reputations, so I think anniversary before patch is more likely than reverse situation.

patch 10.3 is coming 100%. the idea that we're going to be stuck with patch 10.2 for more than 1 year is really stupid. this is not mop, wow can't really afford such content drought anymore. And no, the fated season doesn't count because it's meant to be a short season made with recycled content.

First, no 10.3 doesn't mean content drought (which let's say is 4+ month gap without any patch). As 10.1.5 show us, minor patch can have substantial amount of content as well. Key is to release patch every ~2 month at least until 11.0 Alpha/Beta (which I hope will be short and focused as DF one).

Second, content drought at the end of expansion is nothing strange for WoW. Most people are "done" with current expac and wait for next one anyway. Really bad thing for expansion is when there is content drought at the beginning, like with BfA (4 months) and SL (7 months). I know attention span is shorter nowadays, but c'mon, I noticed some of you enter panic mode if there is week without any WoW news.

Third, if we compare to old expacs, no 10.3 only means DF has less raids than Legion/BfA/MoP. If we talk about world content DF AT THIS MOMENT has more than Legion and if 10.2 will be big enough, it will be bigger than BfA (which is most we ever got in expansion), not to mention eventual 10.2.X content.

[huth]

That is a horrid excuse. And I repeat this over and over again... Alliance killed Talanji's father in BFA and she has to sit there and accept the Alliance as friends after they raided her home and killed her father?

Welcome to the world of being a political leader.

[Xilurm]

What I feel like will happen.

Fyrakk is the last boss of 10.2

In 10.3 Iridikron comes back, Vyranoth joins him but at the last second just before he's about to one shot Alexstrasza with his new void powers she gets in the way and sacrifices herself and she either ends up a baddie with tentacles growing out her back or dies on the spot.

I'm probably 100% wrong.

[Catastrophy349]

More likely patch on 7th November and season week later. Patch, especially big patch requires ton of hotfixes.

There is also possibility that right after Blizzcon anniversary event will start and patch launch 3 weeks later. Blizzard tend to do this, they avoid giving rep buffs for fresh reputations, so I think anniversary before patch is more likely than reverse situation.

Literally any date we give for 10.2, it conflicts with something. October 17th/24th, conflicts with RWF/Blizzcon. November 7th/14th, conflicts with Thanksgiving. Don’t forget, the Season starts one week AFTER the patch launches.

Additionally, a 10.3 most definitely means a late 2024 11.0. Without a 10.3, why can’t 11.0 release sooner than late 2024? It doesn’t need to be a year long 10.2 patch.

[Hitei]

Ending DF with just the two incarnates would be a very odd DF ending.

Not if the third ends up taking a more neutral stance and the fourth is a longer term recurring villain for the future.

[Dracullus]

Ending DF with just the two incarnates would be a very odd DF ending.

Don't know, what's your idea for final DF boss? It's not Iridikron would be better idea, he was just introduced as well. Maybe Tyr? But again, I don't think he and Iridikron wouldn't be introduced in dungeon if they were meant for final boss of same expansion..

Imo duel fight Vyra.. ice dragon dragon and Fyrakk, fighting over tree, with all aspects on our side, could be nice and fiting last boss of Dragonflight. It could be cool and refreshing experience after 2 fiery dungeons.

Very often something that sounds strange on datamining could be epic (Argus) and some big, threatening enemy could be underwhelming fight (N'zoth).

Literally any date we give for 10.2, it conflicts with something. October 17th/24th, conflicts with RWF/Blizzcon. November 7th/14th, conflicts with Thanksgiving. Don’t forget, the Season starts one week AFTER the patch launches.

Additionally, a 10.3 most definitely means a late 2024 11.0. Without a 10.3, why can’t 11.0 release sooner than late 2024? It doesn’t need to be a year long 10.2 patch.

Not EVERY date, just Blizzcon, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Imo of all these 3 they would be willing to release something only during Thanksgiving in emergency, but only to avoid collision with Christmas. But I don't think it will ever happen, since they release all difficulty on same time and races are design to be shorter, gap is big enough.

Also, how the hell November 7th collide with Thanksgiving, 23rd November. Mythic start with Heroic and whole raids last like 5 days nowadays.

As for 11.0, sure why not, it could release even in August if S3 last 5 months and fated ones 2.5 month again.

[Well Done Steak]

Actually, Danuser stated that Aman'Thul made it so that there was 1 singular "true timeline", so it'd not like the Titans were bullshitting on that or anything. They just have the power to preserve whatever timeway they feel like preserving.

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Fated Raids were cool and kept past content relevant. I would like it if they continued that for other expacs ngl.

Exactly.... Titan propaganda. Specifically our titan's propaganda, because Uldoroth suggests that other titans in other timelines succeeded.

So there's no action true timeline, just the timeline which best benefits Our titans, which is what Iridikron hinted at.

So since there not actually a true timeline outside of the interests of our titans, that means that "one legion" is complete BS made up by a sexual deviant.

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I said previously that the timing still works if they decide to just not announce an expansion at Blizzcon and talk about 10.3 there instead. But now that they're seemingly pulling Metzen back in I really can't see that happening.

What if they talk about both?

10.3 and then end it with the expansion reveal

[Reive]

First, no 10.3 doesn't mean content drought (which let's say is 4+ month gap without any patch). As 10.1.5 show us, minor patch can have substantial amount of content as well. Key is to release patch every ~2 month at least until 11.0 Alpha/Beta (which I hope will be short and focused as DF one).

Sorry but .5 and .7 patches will never be able to replace major ones. major patches are those that retain most players.

Second, content drought at the end of expansion is nothing strange for WoW. Most people are "done" with current expac and wait for next one anyway. Really bad thing for expansion is when there is content drought at the beginning, like with BfA (4 months) and SL (7 months). I know attention span is shorter nowadays, but c'mon, I noticed some of you enter panic mode if there is week without any WoW news.

A 12+ months of content drought is BAD especially when dragonflight lacks big features and meaningful content.

Third, if we compare to old expacs, no 10.3 only means DF has less raids than Legion/BfA/MoP. If we talk about world content DF AT THIS MOMENT has more than Legion and if 10.2 will be big enough, it will be bigger than BfA (which is most we ever got in expansion), not to mention eventual 10.2.X content.

After shadowlands and the first half of dragonflight, the only way to justify (again) the lack of a third major patch would be a full world revamp which is not going to happen. The sentiment around the game and blizzard is already not great. Losing patch 10.3 would be yet another blow to the game's reputation.

[Catastrophy349]

Don't know, what's your idea for final DF boss? It's not Iridikron would be better idea, he was just introduced as well. Maybe Tyr? But again, I don't think he and Iridikron wouldn't be introduced in dungeon if they were meant for final boss of same expansion..

Imo duel fight Vyra.. ice dragon dragon and Fyrakk, fighting over tree, with all aspects on our side, could be nice and fiting last boss of Dragonflight. It could be cool and refreshing experience after 2 fiery dungeons.

Very often something that sounds strange on datamining could be epic (Argus) and some big, threatening enemy could be underwhelming fight (N'zoth).



Not EVERY date, just Blizzcon, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Imo of all these 3 they would be willing to release something only during Thanksgiving in emergency, but only to avoid collision with Christmas. But I don't think it will ever happen, since they release all difficulty on same time and races are design to be shorter, gap is big enough.

Also, how the hell November 7th collide with Thanksgiving, 23rd November. Mythic start with Heroic and whole raids last like 5 days nowadays.

As for 11.0, sure why not, it could release even in August if S3 last 5 months and fated ones 2.5 month again.

Well, November 7th would mean November 14th for the raids to release. And from pretty much EVERY previous raid tier, the RWF (Mythic raiding part) doesn't even begin until second half of the week, which pushes into Thanksgiving.

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Don't know, what's your idea for final DF boss? It's not Iridikron would be better idea, he was just introduced as well. Maybe Tyr? But again, I don't think he and Iridikron wouldn't be introduced in dungeon if they were meant for final boss of same expansion..

Imo duel fight Vyra.. ice dragon dragon and Fyrakk, fighting over tree, with all aspects on our side, could be nice and fiting last boss of Dragonflight. It could be cool and refreshing experience after 2 fiery dungeons.

Very often something that sounds strange on datamining could be epic (Argus) and some big, threatening enemy could be underwhelming fight (N'zoth).



Not EVERY date, just Blizzcon, Thanksgiving and Christmas. Imo of all these 3 they would be willing to release something only during Thanksgiving in emergency, but only to avoid collision with Christmas. But I don't think it will ever happen, since they release all difficulty on same time and races are design to be shorter, gap is big enough.

Also, how the hell November 7th collide with Thanksgiving, 23rd November. Mythic start with Heroic and whole raids last like 5 days nowadays.

As for 11.0, sure why not, it could release even in August if S3 last 5 months and fated ones 2.5 month again.

However, the 5/6 days for RWF in 10.1 was an anomaly with how fast gearing was, too. So, who knows? Regardless, going back and forth over release date semantics is so boring and silly. It will release when it releases. Let's focus on lore speculation.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Don't know, what's your idea for final DF boss? It's not Iridikron would be better idea, he was just introduced as well. Maybe Tyr? But again, I don't think he and Iridikron wouldn't be introduced in dungeon if they were meant for final boss of same expansion..

Imo duel fight Vyra.. ice dragon dragon and Fyrakk, fighting over tree, with all aspects on our side, could be nice and fiting last boss of Dragonflight. It could be cool and refreshing experience after 2 fiery dungeons.

Very often something that sounds strange on datamining could be epic (Argus) and some big, threatening enemy could be underwhelming fight (N'zoth).

N'zoth wasn't underwhelming to me, I liked what was given but the going to two separate zones for the new content was.... well I wasn't a fan despite still having some enjoyment out of it. Argus was unexpected but I'm still ok with it, it still made sense and felt good and well the fact Silithus was changed, Sargeras imprisoned with the Titans. The 2 incarnates protecting the World Tree isn't a bad set up but part of it is...famillar(Fiery entity threatens a world tree *Cough*Ragnaros *Cough*) If there's no Tyr involvement whatsoever then the uncomfortable tension between us and Titanforged isn't really resolved and I feel like putting that with a possible Odyn appearence is interesting potential like perhaps the Titanforged(When I say Titanforged I mean Titans servants and such) have a bit of conflict in how to serve the Titans and their "Order" mission.


Even if they didn't go that route, the Anti Titan route they seem to hint at would be postponed. Iridakron's plan with the essence of Galakrond or whatever dark power he took and put into Alpha Dragon Soul(The thing he has). And then there is Xal'atath(If thats who that looked like in the void portal). I mean its possible Iridakron could be pushed to the future but I can still see us fighting him but its possible when he intends to go for the Titans it may not be exactly as he wants(Maybe Xal is using him or something cause the void sure loves its shennigans). A revived Void Galakrond is...out there but its still a dragon technically so it would be a fitting end boss for a 10.3. The other answer that I just don't see happening but I'd be fine with is(Yogg-Saron round two/coming out) or another unknown Old God but I'm not sure.


Edit: In hindsight, having N'zoth break out then die(If that is the actual case) is kind of a...well somewhat underwhelming, if there was a big change in the world because of said N'zoth breaking from his prison it could of been seen as more shocking. Unlike Yogg-Saron where his prison was already kinda broken and he had the Keepers of Ulduar on his side. What I'm saying is, the release of an Old God should of taken a bit longer(Like perhaps two expansion arcs).

[Woggmer]

What if they talk about both?

10.3 and then end it with the expansion reveal

That's never happened before. Usually if there's a new expansion, then they reveal it outright.

If they reveal 10.3 (like every detail of it) and then tease the next expansion in the same day. More people will be talking about the expansion rather than 10.3

So it is either one or the other... though I don't mind if they do talk about both or at least if they tease the next expansion, they just give a very small but vague hint and be like "What could it mean???" and the community could spend months trying to figure out what it could mean.

[Catastrophy349]

Something Blizzard did with Shadowlands, if you recall, was announcement patch 8.3 for BFA a few weeks BEFORE Blizzcon so that they could focus on SL announcement AT Blizzcon.

However, patch 8.2 came out end of June so it was certainly a WAY different scenario.

[Dracullus]

Sorry but .5 and .7 patches will never be able to replace major ones. major patches are those that retain most players.


A 12+ months of content drought is BAD especially when dragonflight lacks big features and meaningful content.

And here you are totally wrong. Lot of small updates are keeping people. Big chunks every few months fails. In every report Blizzard tell us DF is better as this than previous expacs.

...what's that 'meaningful' content again that other expacs had and DF has not?

Also I told drought and the end of DF wouldn't be huge issue, not that I expect that.

After shadowlands and the first half of dragonflight, the only way to justify (again) the lack of a third major patch would be a full world revamp which is not going to happen. The sentiment around the game and blizzard is already not great. Losing patch 10.3 would be yet another blow to the game's reputation.

Because you said so? Btw, is there currently some bad mood in WoW community I haven't notice? Because I see something opposite.

Btw, show me this expansion with 3 big patches. Is it MoP where 5.1 was daily hub? Or Legion where 7.1 was timegated questline in Suramar? Or BfA with again, questline and invasions? This is something DF adds in 10.1.5 patch.. and 10.0.7 is bigger than that.

(and again, I skip raid content on purpose, cause I already told no 10.3 means less raid content)

The 2 incarnates protecting the World Tree isn't a bad set up but part of it is...famillar(Fiery entity threatens a world tree *Cough*Ragnaros *Cough*)

Protecting? (I assume it was misspelled). Well Ragnaros threatened but not really attacked tree. But when I picture fight in open space with tree in background and full of dragons.. somehow this picture clicked for me as final DF fight.

[Murlocos]

If you want to go all the way back, then 3.3 and Cataclysm were both announced at Blizzcon 2009, a few weeks after 3.2 launched. From what I could dig up, it looks like they were going through both the patch and expansion back and forth, though this was for more bespoke panels like Raid & Dungeon Design rather than something generic like "The Future of WoW". If 10.3 exists, I think it gets announced at Blizzcon as part of a 2024 roadmap, but the focus is on the expansion with maybe a sneak peak at 10.2.5.

[Scyth]

Blizzard has shown that they can do things differently if they wanted to (like introducing a new spec halfway through the xpac) so I wouldn't be shocked if they talked about 10.3 at Blizzcon before introducing the new xpac.

[LemonDemonGirl]

That is a horrid excuse. And I repeat this over and over again... Alliance killed Talanji's father in BFA and she has to sit there and accept the Alliance as friends after they raided her home and killed her father?

Something tells me that she actually spoke to her father's spirit, and got told to stop trying to take revenge for his death.
That or, Blizzard forgot.