The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

No I don't believe Argus was revealed at Gamescom. The expansion announcement yes.

It was technically revealed at Blizzcon, but I thought that Argus got a full reveal/breakdown at a convention? Maybe not Gamescom

[Reive]

I believe that it is going to be the biggest patch in WoW's history (no kidding). Maybe not in terms of landmass, as 7.3 or 8.2 would probably win there, but in terms of content added and impact for the game.

I hope you're right. dragonflight needs a banger second half. patch 10.1 was a bit weak

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It was technically revealed at Blizzcon, but I thought that Argus got a full reveal at a convention? Maybe not Gamescom

It was teased when they were talking about Tomb of Sargeras. Like they implied Argus would be next(At least I think so) in terms of a major content patch.


edit: I know I just remember them having a Blizzcon panel and they just switched the screen to an image of Argus that we all know of and the crowd cheering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66j8_GLXD-A

[Cheezits]

It was teased when they were talking about Tomb of Sargeras. Like they implied Argus would be next(At least I think so) in terms of a major content patch.


edit: I know I just remember them having a Blizzcon panel and they just switched the screen to an image of Argus that we all know of and the crowd cheering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66j8_GLXD-A

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_7.3.0

I was thinking of the release date reveal, and I believe there was also an official patch notes dump. It did appear at Gamescom 2017.

[Sondrelk]

I think it will be fairly self-contained (tree gets saved, Fyrakk dies). What I'm more interested in is whether or not it will be the last major patch.

Unless 10.2 is especially meaty and narratively cramped i cannot see the expansion ending with 10.2. Even plotlines carrying over into future expansions need some kind of conclusion.
Most importantly we have the Tyr storyline, which needs a hefty finale if we are to assume it was more than a distraction the developers forgot about. Having him show up only to leave immediately would be a narrative stillbirth on par with the 8.2.5 Sylvanas ragequit.

I think we will have to see how hefty 10.2 is though. I doubt we are looking at two really big patches. More likely we get one really big, and one closer to 10.1 in scale.
If I were to guess I would say 10.2 will be fairly comprehensive, and 10.3 will be more of a narrative heavy patch propped up by a steady stream of features making use of the already existing expansion content.

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I hope you're right. dragonflight needs a banger second half. patch 10.1 was a bit weak

I feel 10.1 is less so a weak patch, and more so an indication of how much we expect from patches now.
It wasn't that many expansions ago that 10.1 was just a couple questlines to prop up the raid alongside some world events. The fact that we got not just a zone, but an entirely new one is kinda amazing.
Even SL was primarily world events in the Maw + a tiny zone bolted to it.

[huth]

So someone posted the map on reddit I mentioned a while ago

[IMG]
On this map there is another island west of waking shores. Could this be another patch zone, 10.3 location or maybe cut content?

Or the map is just based on an older concept. The island wouldn't be particularly big anyway.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Every major content patch should be meaty, regardless if the expansion is only just starting or not. If it takes a bit longer I understand.

I feel 10.1 is less so a weak patch, and more so an indication of how much we expect from patches now.

It was better then 9.1 but thats also cause it was a new area thematically to.

[Murlocos]

Historically, .2 patches have tended to be larger than their respective .1, though I suppose we're in uncharted territory at the moment. Wrath's the only big exception I can think of where 3.2 definitely felt slimmer compared to 3.1. That and TBC but we're getting into ancient history at this point.

[Kiivar86]

Speaking of Fyrakk, I saw a comment elsewhere asking about this and I realized I didn't know.

What is he doing with the metals being made at his camps? Far as I can tell there's nothing saying it, just that he's got some sort of mysterious project.

The comment I saw wondered if maybe we're looking at a Deathwing 2.0 with him getting plating made out of those ingots.

So yeah, is there anything I missed? I'm very curious about that now.

[Cheezits]

The comment I saw wondered if maybe we're looking at a Deathwing 2.0 with him getting plating made out of those ingots.

So yeah, is there anything I missed? I'm very curious about that now.

It hasn't been explained. I hope it's a giant weapon to subvert the Deathwing v2 allegations.

[Hitei]

It was better then 9.1 but thats also cause it was a new area thematically to.

I think the point was more that it was better (at least in terms of outright new content) than basically every X.1 patch in the game's history. It's just that we expect so much from a patch these days that expectations are stacked against any release.

Ignoring raid tier releases:

2.1 was a some new dailies for existing daily hubs and a new arena.
3.1 was a new daily hub in an existing zone.
4.1 was two heroic revamps of old dungeons
5.1 was a new daily hub in an existing zone and brawler's guild
We don't talk about 6.1
7.1 was a megadungeon, a mini-raid and the continuation of a campaign
8.1 was a warfront, the continuation of a campaign, assaults and heritage armor quests
9.1 was a megadungeon, a new region for an existing zone and the continuation of a campaign

10.1 was an entirely new zone, assaults, the continuation of a campaign

It's not really weak at all, it's probably the first or second strongest X.1 patch we've ever had, especially when you factor in that during its "segment" of the expansion (10.0.5, 10.0.7, 10.1.5 and 10.1.7), we also got: new daily hub in an existing region, Zskera vaults, new class combinations, trading post, a megadungeon, four heritage armor quests, two other sets of open world assault-y events (dreamsurges and time rifts), and like three or four different updates to campaigns.

I think pretty objectively Dragonflight has had more content pre X.2 than any other expansion to date. People are just so used to getting patch content at this point that they're able to take all that as "it didn't even add that much" and will unironically convince themselves that some earlier expansion that only added 20 dailies, or a single megadungeon prior to X.2 was somehow a better amount of content output.

[ohwell]

Oml he still thinks there are multiple Legions due to Azewrath existing...

This mf has NOT READ ILLIDAN AHHH

Nowhere in Azewrath does it mention Sargeras or any of the demon generals remaining there that I saw as well. It happened during WotA and it's possible that only our version has a world soul which mean he would have left it upon figuring it out. The Legion has literally been to 2 Draenors that had different fates so why can't he understand it's possible the same happened in the case of Azewrath...

[Revamp Man]

Nowhere in Azewrath does it mention Sargeras or any of the demon generals remaining there that I saw as well. It happened during WotA and it's possible that only our version has a world soul which mean he would have left it upon figuring it out. The Legion has literally been to 2 Draenors that had different fates so why can't he understand it's possible the same happened in the case of Azewrath...

Because he lost his speculation source when the few youtubers that did it quit and he can't do more than just spew whatever he thinks people will like

[Cheezits]

The Dracthyr/Black Dragon story not interesting people definitely play a part in the mass audience reaction to 9.1. But then again the MSQ for this expansion is probably never going to be a thriller because the dragons are boring. Also the zone aesthetic is hate it or love it.

That being said, content wise its crazy for a first patch. Standards are just very high after Shadowlands and people really just want a revamp type thing/housing.

[Paula Deen]

On discussing patch strength. I believe 10.1 was quite a strong showing. I think it is disingenuous at best to compare it to anything other than 9.1 as the patch cadence has changed vastly every other expansion for almost 20 years now.

As Blizzard themselves said the plan was for this patch to test the new gearing system and I would say it is a resounding success....so much so that it is going to be nerfed. Possibly hard in 10.2 to slow people down. I will refrain from judgement until they showcase how they intend to do that. The changes could go in the directions of grinding or they could return to a timegating system. For once, I am going to say I think timegating is the option. The ability to obtain upgrade tokens this tier was powerful to the point that the system itself reduced the length of the patch by a significant amount I believe.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The Dracthyr/Black Dragon story not interesting people definitely play a part in the mass audience reaction to 9.1. But then again the MSQ for this expansion is probably never going to be a thriller because the dragons are boring. Also the zone aesthetic is hate it or love it.

That being said, content wise its crazy for a first patch. Standards are just very high after Shadowlands and people really just want a revamp type thing/housing.

Thats a weird take. I don't think people disliked the Black Dragon story or found it boring, some people may of not liked who the new aspect was but it being boring... is not the vibe I felt. IMO it should had more Black Dragon related stuff then....... the weird mole stuff(SOrry I just didn't liek it as much as others).

[ohwell]

On discussing patch strength. I believe 10.1 was quite a strong showing. I think it is disingenuous at best to compare it to anything other than 9.1 as the patch cadence has changed vastly every other expansion for almost 20 years now.

As Blizzard themselves said the plan was for this patch to test the new gearing system and I would say it is a resounding success....so much so that it is going to be nerfed. Possibly hard in 10.2 to slow people down. I will refrain from judgement until they showcase how they intend to do that. The changes could go in the directions of grinding or they could return to a timegating system. For once, I am going to say I think timegating is the option. The ability to obtain upgrade tokens this tier was powerful to the point that the system itself reduced the length of the patch by a significant amount I believe.

Yeah with enough time and luck you can actually get to mythic level gear week 1 of a season. At first I was on board with the "you should be able to upgrade to the next tier" but in reality you won't have the crests necessary to do so which in previous seasons the requirement was rating so it all ends up the same.

[Nibelheimy]

Something that's been bugging me throughout this expansion. Why are their seemingly two types of Centaur in the plains. There are the full fur slightly larger ones, and then the half hairy tradional Centaur.

To my knowledge, it's not talked about anywhere, yet seemingly most of the bad Centaur look like the hairy variant, it's not exclusive too them. It's just not discussed at all and I just don't understand why bother with the two model types to not bring it up.

[huth]

Something that's been bugging me throughout this expansion. Why are their seemingly two types of Centaur in the plains. There are the full fur slightly larger ones, and then the half hairy tradional Centaur.

To my knowledge, it's not talked about anywhere, yet seemingly most of the bad Centaur look like the hairy variant, it's not exclusive too them. It's just not discussed at all and I just don't understand why bother with the two model types to not bring it up.

There's actually three bodytypes. Hairy males, less hairy males and females. They're all the same race though, while being distinct from the ones on Kalimdor.

I don't really see what's there to talk about. Many NPC races have variant body types. They're not so different that they would appear as a seperate race.

[Well Done Steak]

Oml he still thinks there are multiple Legions due to Azewrath existing...

This mf has NOT READ ILLIDAN AHHH

How do we know that narly vision wasn't just an over exaggerated trip. It doesn't specifically state that there's one legion across all dimensions, just that the legion reeks havoc across all timelines.