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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Make an excellent MMO first then worry about aniversery later. (I mean make game dev goes smooth for the game first and don't try to make a fancy aniversery line up at Blizzcon but at the cost of the game).






    10 bucks that some executive asshole interfered with WoD's development.


    Not saying they shouldn't do anything for the anniversary, but...
    Yeah, I don't think an arbitrary date/anniversary should outweigh the quality of the game. However, at the same time, it's Blizzard and you know they will want that advertisement/headline.

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    It is true that the 10th anniversary was a dissapointment. Nevertheless, WoW really needs some attention at the moment, and the anniversary is the perfect opportunity to do so and in a big way.

    It seems that they do not want to let the game die for the time being, because DF, for now, is the more supported expansion in WoW's history. So if they do not take this chance to make something truly big they are just stupid beyond salvation. In many ways, the anniversary is WoW's last chance to be relevant again.
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    I've always viewed Dragonflight, and continue to view Dragonflight, as World of Warcraft's:

    1). New beginning (goodwill expansion).
    2). Setting up the foundation for future content (story, systems (talents, professions, flying, UI, etc.))
    3). The expansion that will either retain/bring "some" players back, but more importantly, drive home the NEXT expansion (in terms of patch cadence, story direction, system updates, etc.), so that 11.0 can be the "big expansion" that will ultimately "save WoW"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    All we did was end that version of the Emerald Nightmare. We were introduced to the Void Remnant after the raid there. In BFA, we would remove the remnant for sure before it could grow more.
    And yet Thros remains, going so far as to invade Ardenweald in an attempt to bypass their torturous immortality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    I think there is some confusion about the remnant of the void, the flower we picked in bfa, and the rift of aln. These two are seperate things.
    The remnant gave n'zoth access to the heart of the dream and that we removed with the heart of azeroth.
    The rift of aln is a natural part of the dream. There is some presence down there other than xavius, but we don't know what. Killing xavius just made it harder for the nightmare to spread since he was the driving force in legion. But others could take his place anytime.
    Might be that explains it, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    I've always viewed Dragonflight, and continue to view Dragonflight, as World of Warcraft's:

    1). New beginning (goodwill expansion).
    2). Setting up the foundation for future content (story, systems (talents, professions, flying, UI, etc.))
    3). The expansion that will either retain/bring "some" players back, but more importantly, drive home the NEXT expansion (in terms of patch cadence, story direction, system updates, etc.), so that 11.0 can be the "big expansion" that will ultimately "save WoW"
    Seconded, sorta.
    If they can keep the woke stuff contained succesfully then i could see them make a good restart.
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    Xal is the Harbinger
    Gathering fragments of old gods influence to raise the 5th old god which is her

    You see when the other 4 tore the 5th apart it left a fragment in the blade of the black empire as a kind of sentient fragment
    The other Old Gods absorbed part of it's power and traces were left in things like galakrond and the piece of flesh in sark's room
    Gathering all pieces will revive the true Xal'atath

    Yogg: the power drained from galakrond
    Ysharj: the heart
    Cthun: ???
    N'Zoth: the Naga queen

    I know it's not gonna happen but damn would it be better than what's coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Everyone thinks their headcanon is better than the main canon. That's why it's headcanon.
    Nah that's just why we know it won't happen
    WoW writing has been shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Everyone thinks their headcanon is better than the main canon. That's why it's headcanon.
    It's not a bad theory, though. I mentioned it a bunch of pages back as well.

    BTW, anyone seen this old map before?

    https://www.youtube.com/live/l-eSmRbZr18?feature=share

    I find it super interesting how Ulduar was in the southwest of Azeroth, as a huge continent of its own. Then at Ulduar's northeastern side you have a bay that seems to be called The Maw.

    I can't help but feel like this old lore somehow got re-worked into both The Maw of the Shadowlands, but also the constant mentioning of "consuming Azeroth", "only one Old God would remain to consume all others", etc. There's a lot of talk about that stuff from the Void.

    It wouldn't surprise me if that old Ulduar continent-sized concept is what later got reworked into Avaloren or whatever that new landmass will be, full of "Heretics" according to Odyn. What they (then) had in mind for The Maw could be our 5th Old God, "The Ancient One", or whatever, seeking to consume the essences of the other Old Gods and Azeroth's world-soul.
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    It is not impossible that there is another Old God hiding out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    No one is saying it's impossible. The question is whether it's still alive or not.

    Pretty sure the big reveal they're building up towards is that Xal'atath IS an Old God, but her body was destroyed by her brothers and her essence was trapped within the blade of the Black Empire.
    Haven't we been pretty much told just that already? Would be more of a Cpt. Obvious moment for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    No one is saying it's impossible. The question is whether it's still alive or not.

    Pretty sure the big reveal they're building up towards is that Xal'atath IS an Old God, but her body was destroyed by her brothers and her essence was trapped within the blade of the Black Empire.
    What if she doesn't turn into an Old God, but a being of pure void? I say this because of that one boss from Tempest Keep who turned into a giant voidwalker midway through the fight.

    I'm not against the idea of a 5th old god, but what if Xal'atath doesn't intend to be an Old God but to transcend into being a true Void Lord?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    It is not impossible that there is another Old God hiding out there.
    Lore wise there is
    Everything else Is speculation and mostly based around lines from Xal

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Haven't we been pretty much told just that already? Would be more of a Cpt. Obvious moment for me.
    Yeah but the writer's will frame it as some super surprise reveal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    No one is saying it's impossible. The question is whether it's still alive or not.

    Pretty sure the big reveal they're building up towards is that Xal'atath IS an Old God, but her body was destroyed by her brothers and her essence was trapped within the blade of the Black Empire.
    Exactly and her gathering things like Halakrond's "hunger COULD be a way to regain power

    Heck she knew magic that would restore a physical form so it's not like she's a nobody in terms of magic

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    I thought G'huun was the 5th old god, but I guess that's not it then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I think Azeroth wasn't always a titan but by now she is.
    Watch and it will end up being the new brown colored lady titan from hearthstone.

    Would that be a surprise!

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    Isn't it interesting how Xal'atath keeps referring to the agents of the Void (or maybe just specifically the Old Gods) as one?

    "It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be."

    "The spawn of the Titans infest this area. Despite our "gift" of the flesh, they still worship those false gods."

    "The nearness of the Void here is comforting. I was used in a sacrifice of many creatures in a place like this. Every death brought us closer to the complete corruption of this world."

    "I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm. You have only seen fragments, shadows; the faintest of echoes. Ask the Ethereals what one of these manifestations are capable of."

    I also find this to be an interesting quote.

    "This trifling skirmish is little more than a distraction. The true battle draws neigh as the circle nears completion."

    What does this mean specifically? Does anyone recall if there was some visual of a circle being completed when N'Zoth was released? Otherwise, might it instead suggest something bigger, for example that each defeated Old God places them in a circle, or a disk that becomes complete? I'm thinking of the artfiact Iridikron used to gather Galakrond's essence, and the idea that it might be used to collect all the Old Gods' essences somehow to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Isn't it interesting how Xal'atath keeps referring to the agents of the Void (or maybe just specifically the Old Gods) as one?

    "It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be."

    "The spawn of the Titans infest this area. Despite our "gift" of the flesh, they still worship those false gods."

    "The nearness of the Void here is comforting. I was used in a sacrifice of many creatures in a place like this. Every death brought us closer to the complete corruption of this world."

    "I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm. You have only seen fragments, shadows; the faintest of echoes. Ask the Ethereals what one of these manifestations are capable of."

    I also find this to be an interesting quote.

    "This trifling skirmish is little more than a distraction. The true battle draws neigh as the circle nears completion."

    What does this mean specifically? Does anyone recall if there was some visual of a circle being completed when N'Zoth was released? Otherwise, might it instead suggest something bigger, for example that each defeated Old God places them in a circle, or a disk that becomes complete? I'm thinking of the artfiact Iridikron used to gather Galakrond's essence, and the idea that it might be used to collect all the Old Gods' essences somehow to use.
    The Old Gods are all part of the Void faction. They might war against each other for some time (like N'Zoth who single-handedly fought a war against C'Thun and Yogg-Saron), but in the end they all share the same goal of corrupting Azeroth and are united in that drive. So, it makes sense for Xal'atath to say "we" and "us" because they are all part of the same faction. And it so happens that N'Zoth was the most successful member of that faction by far, as the one who came closest to corrupting Azeroth.

    N'Zoth's prison is literally called the "Circle of Stars". That line from Legion was referring to the fact that N'Zoth was stirring in his prison (reiterated at end of Emerald Nightmare raid) and was close to freedom. On top of this, the Titan mechanism that was placed by Azshara to free N'Zoth had cyclical movements and patterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Isn't it interesting how Xal'atath keeps referring to the agents of the Void (or maybe just specifically the Old Gods) as one?

    "It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C'Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y'Shaarj, and... well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be."

    "The spawn of the Titans infest this area. Despite our "gift" of the flesh, they still worship those false gods."

    "The nearness of the Void here is comforting. I was used in a sacrifice of many creatures in a place like this. Every death brought us closer to the complete corruption of this world."

    "I long for the day our masters can truly pass into this realm. You have only seen fragments, shadows; the faintest of echoes. Ask the Ethereals what one of these manifestations are capable of."

    I also find this to be an interesting quote.

    "This trifling skirmish is little more than a distraction. The true battle draws neigh as the circle nears completion."

    What does this mean specifically? Does anyone recall if there was some visual of a circle being completed when N'Zoth was released? Otherwise, might it instead suggest something bigger, for example that each defeated Old God places them in a circle, or a disk that becomes complete? I'm thinking of the artfiact Iridikron used to gather Galakrond's essence, and the idea that it might be used to collect all the Old Gods' essences somehow to use.
    I think it's definitely implied at this point that Xal is Shath'yar - an Old God. I view those bolded words as them speaking as if they are among the Old Gods ranks specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    I think it's definitely implied at this point that Xal is Shath'yar - an Old God. I view those bolded words as them speaking as if they are among the Old Gods ranks specifically.
    Either way, they are a group so speaking like this is just consequential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The Old Gods are all part of the Void faction. They might war against each other for some time (like N'Zoth who single-handedly fought a war against C'Thun and Yogg-Saron), but in the end they all share the same goal of corrupting Azeroth and are united in that drive. So, it makes sense for Xal'atath to say "we" and "us" because they are all part of the same faction. And it so happens that N'Zoth was the most successful member of that faction by far, as the one who came closest to corrupting Azeroth.

    N'Zoth's prison is literally called the "Circle of Stars". That line from Legion was referring to the fact that N'Zoth was stirring in his prison (reiterated at end of Emerald Nightmare raid) and was close to freedom. On top of this, the Titan mechanism that was placed by Azshara to free N'Zoth had cyclical movements and patterns.
    I wonder if we should perhaps view them as competing brothers in Game of Thrones. Of the same "family" and all expected to achieve great things for their house. But nevertheless no qualms with stabbing each other in the back in order to become the sole remaining heir.

    Not to become king, but to slurp up Azeroth's world-soul and become or summon a Void Lord.

    I know about N'Zoth's prison but since the newer naga text also mentions the circle of stars, I was wondering if there might be more to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    I think it's definitely implied at this point that Xal is Shath'yar - an Old God. I view those bolded words as them speaking as if they are among the Old Gods ranks specifically.
    Why would Xal'atath use an alter ego though? To hide from her brethren?

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    Shath'yar is the name of the language void creatures speak...

    It's not an individuals name.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Why would Xal'atath use an alter ego though? To hide from her brethren?
    Because her original body is... unavailable. She was just that dagger for tens of thousands of years.

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