The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I fully expect Avaloren to be an expansion continent.

[Berkilak]

I fully expect Avaloren to be an expansion continent.

I wouldn't be surprised by a Zereth Mortis - name drop it in passing, realize it in-game the next patch.

[Nymrohd]

I wouldn't be surprised by a Zereth Mortis - name drop it in passing, realize it in-game the next patch.

The thing is, there isn't much left on Azeroth. They need to start seeding more areas. Because while I would be OK with them slowly revamping the world and using it for content, most people wouldn't. So either we get more places on the planet or we get cosmic and please no cosmic.

[Makorus]

The thing is, there isn't much left on Azeroth. They need to start seeding more areas. Because while I would be OK with them slowly revamping the world and using it for content, most people wouldn't. So either we get more places on the planet or we get cosmic and please no cosmic.

I mean, do they start seeding new areas? We don't need to know of an area 3 expansions in advance before we can go there.

[Nymrohd]

I mean, do they start seeding new areas? We don't need to know of an area 3 expansions in advance before we can go there.

I mean it could be the next expansion. But yes, if it was me I'd be seeding future content at least a few expansions ahead of time. And again I don't expect it to be an area but rather a full expansion continent.

[babalou1]

I wouldn't be surprised by a Zereth Mortis - name drop it in passing, realize it in-game the next patch.

On Azeroth? Why would there be a Zereth anything on Azeroth? The Zereths belong to the 6 Forces that are fighting over Azeroth

[Berkilak]

On Azeroth? Why would there be a Zereth anything on Azeroth? The Zereths belong to the 6 Forces that are fighting over Azeroth

Not a literal example. Equivalent situation of introducing the concept of the area immediately preceding its implementation.

[Paula Deen]

On Azeroth? Why would there be a Zereth anything on Azeroth? The Zereths belong to the 6 Forces that are fighting over Azeroth

Would be quite the Twist if this entire time aZEROTH was actually the Titan ZERETH. Would be a HUGE plot twist that I would totally buy into. Would put into perspective the intent to Reorignate by the corrupted Keeper in Sepulcher. Would put into perspective ourselves, the players, as pawns of a greater being(s). It would be... an insane twist that I honestly don't think would be nearly as poorly received as SL was.

[Lady Atia]

I mean, do they start seeding new areas? We don't need to know of an area 3 expansions in advance before we can go there.

Yes we should. Actually, that was the problem the Jailer had (and the Shadowlands themself to some degree too) - imagine if they would have started to mention Zooval, Maldraxxus or Ardenweald during Legion - everyone would have been hyped to finally see that stuff similiar to N'zoth and Nyalotha which got seeded back in Cata. Creating stuff out of thin air and have it appear (and only matter) next patch feels like JK Rowling level of writing ...

[Makorus]

Yes we should. Actually, that was the problem the Jailer had (and the Shadowlands themself to some degree too) - imagine if they would have started to mention Zooval, Maldraxxus or Ardenweald during Legion - everyone would have been hyped to finally see that stuff similiar to N'zoth and Nyalotha which got seeded back in Cata. Creating stuff out of thin air and have it appear (and only matter) next patch feels like JK Rowling level of writing ...

The problem with the Jailer was that he was undeservingly the lynchpin behind everything all of a sudden.

People loved Denathrius and Raszageth and they had no prior anything.

You can have a new continent show up in an expansion without it being mentioned beforehand and arguably it would make it more interesting.

[Lady Atia]

The problem with the Jailer was that he was undeservingly the lynchpin behind everything all of a sudden.

People loved Denathrius and Raszageth and they had no prior anything.

You can have a new continent show up in an expansion without it being mentioned beforehand and arguably it would make it more interesting.

Well, the good thing is that Blizzard is disagreeing with you as they mentioned in recent interviews that they want to do multi-expansion arcs (and with that I guess villains and more seeding similiar to Garrosh) again instead of self-contained stuff.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Seeding it for the futured is actually good. It keeps that character/concept in your head but not puttting it in the forefront. I disagree with how people feel about the Jailer but I do buy the idea that if he was mentioned in Legion he might of been seen differently.

[Revamp Man]

Well, the good thing is that Blizzard is disagreeing with you as they mentioned in recent interviews that they want to do multi-expansion arcs (and with that I guess villains and more seeding similiar to Garrosh) again instead of self-contained stuff.

you can do that in an amazing way as long as you dont pull "this guy has been behind everything the whole time" and try to paint him as a master manipulator when his lines were "i will rule everything"

like lets say that one incarnate survives until next expansion and that decay is a new thing related to an Old God we know nothing about. Immediately you have a villain that has ties to the past while not minimizing previous expansion villains.

[Cheezits]

I was listening to the Djaradin music for a bit, and it hit me. There's low chant type music, and it sounds kind of regal... could they actually be Dwarves?

Note that the Djaradin elders hid themselves underground, and thats where the next patch/Khaz Algar is likely to be. Also the titan book notes that the dwarves mutated somehow.

What if Djaradin are actually massive funky dwarves? It kind of fits with how they are weirdly proportioned, imo.

[Throren]

I was listening to the Djaradin music for a bit, and it hit me. There's low chant type music, and it sounds kind of regal... could they actually be Dwarves?

Note that the Djaradin elders hid themselves underground, and thats where the next patch/Khaz Algar is likely to be. Also the titan book notes that the dwarves mutated somehow.

What if Djaradin are actually massive funky dwarves? It kind of fits with how they are weirdly proportioned, imo.

Well the books stated that these new dwarves developed an almost identical language and culture to the Eastern Kingdoms dwarves, nothing about their culture or language seems very dwarf-y

That said, the Djaradin claim to be descendant of Earth Giants, who are also Titanforged like Earthen, so there is no doubt some loose connection if you go back far enough

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Djarden being former titan forged wouldn't be a stretch.

[Lady Atia]

I was listening to the Djaradin music for a bit, and it hit me. There's low chant type music, and it sounds kind of regal... could they actually be Dwarves?

Note that the Djaradin elders hid themselves underground, and thats where the next patch/Khaz Algar is likely to be. Also the titan book notes that the dwarves mutated somehow.

What if Djaradin are actually massive funky dwarves? It kind of fits with how they are weirdly proportioned, imo.

Wasn't it implied that the Djaradin are actually Proto-Trolls? Going by interviews, they had "ancient trolls" as npc's internally on the dragon isles but we never saw them not even on the alpha.

[Nathanyel]

Players need something to work on while they're at max level.

But does that have to be player power? Artifacts are ultimately just another iLvl, another set of talents.

And that player power has to reset with expansions, or you get even more FOMO, or forced farming of old content.
Additionally, while one can argue that the Legion Artifact system should have continued in future expansions, with some reset, but that would effectively lock the weapon slot.
Other slots like the Heart of Azeroth, or even slotless variations like Covenants proved unpopular despite working (within the intended scope)

A Cosmetic 'progression' (admittedly just another word for farm/grind) on the other hand provides rewards that just about everyone wants, and stays quasi-relevant in future expansions while having a sort of automatic self-nerf via outlevelling the content.

[Nymrohd]

but that would effectively lock the weapon slot.

We could have new cosmetic appearances added over the artifact over time and they could have even added entirely new artifacts for specific specs to create new builds. Heck instead of class skins they could have just given people a new artifact for a spec that would reskin the spec, grounding the effect in that way. Legion itself added new cosmetic weapon appearances beyond the artifacts after all (I remember at least the mace from Maiden and Taeschalach).

[Nathanyel]

It isn't just the cosmetic appearance though - Fury, FrostDK, WW&BrM Monk, all casters were locked into into one weapon type/combo during Legion. Feral & Guardian even had weapon types they wouldn't usually use (I had assumed this implied these specs could actually DW in later expansions, which would at the very least open up Agi Daggers to more specs, but no)

Also, static secondary stats. So, let us pick the secondaries for the Artifact? Sure, but why is that not possible for all gear then? And so on...

Having one slot that you never change for an entire expansion is not good, even less if that goes across several expansions, even if the itemID/name changes between them.