The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

What? It would be amazing. Year 2 of expansions almost always suck. It's fun and exciting when there's a theme refresh with a new direction and story. Doing that every year would be cool. Announce at BlizzCon, launch in the spring.

NO, we do not need yearly expansions, that idea is terrible. Stop it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There have been several elements from HS that have ended up in WoW. Tortollan, for instance. That the HS team is putting such a hint in the game for no reason at all, when in WoW Blizzard is hinting at at least two new continents... They are clearly teasing us IMO.

Tortollans and N'zoth's look were both first in Hearthstone before they were ever in WoW

And for every turtle there is a hundred other things from hearthstone that never have any cross over.

Given how loosey goosey wow has always been with globes it’s more likely hearthstone is just doing the same.

[Reive]

they can barely keep up with a new expansion every 2 years lmao. a new expansion every year sounds like a disaster.

[Cheezits]

I think another void expansion that lacks the Light entirely is not going to happen. Even if Void and Iridikron is on everyone's minds because of the last two patches, Blizzard is likely going to follow up on the Light stuff soon (unless they completely abandoned it).

I think 10.2 and 10.3 are actually really good times to pivot to the Light now that Tyr and Elune (or Elune stuff) will be moving into focus, and the Void guys dipped to another expansion.

[Cheezits]

*shrugs*

I'd be happy to listen if anybody were to give me a good reason why biannual expansions are a good thing.

I like good stories and interesting locations to visit. That's what I'm about. If I could do that every year, I'd be all for it.

See ESO for an idea of what fast expansions look like. The stories and the zones are very small and the expansions sometimes don't have a lot of content.

[Sondrelk]

*shrugs*

I'd be happy to listen if anybody were to give me a good reason why biannual expansions are a good thing.

I like good stories and interesting locations to visit. That's what I'm about. If I could do that every year, I'd be all for it.

Instead of a X.0 and X.1 patch a year, we could end up with a X.2 and X.3 patch.

[Gurahk]

*shrugs*

I'd be happy to listen if anybody were to give me a good reason why biannual expansions are a good thing.

I like good stories and interesting locations to visit. That's what I'm about. If I could do that every year, I'd be all for it.

How do you think the expansions will be like if they had even less time to make them?

[Reive]

*shrugs*

I'd be happy to listen if anybody were to give me a good reason why biannual expansions are a good thing.

I like good stories and interesting locations to visit. That's what I'm about. If I could do that every year, I'd be all for it.

you'll get neither with your idea. as i said, they are already struggling to make things work with an expansion every 2 years. imagine with one every year

[Makabreska]

*shrugs*

I'd be happy to listen if anybody were to give me a good reason why biannual expansions are a good thing.

I like good stories and interesting locations to visit. That's what I'm about. If I could do that every year, I'd be all for it.

Imagine Blizz having to create good stories and interesting locations every year, instead of every two years. You think that's feasible? If we would get annual expacs, it's content would suffer greatly. Less new models, less new zones etc.

They got comfortable with and got used to 2y cycle. Asking for anything else is asking for a disaster.

[Reive]

https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1692641587665183183

what does he mean?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Imagine Blizz having to create good stories and interesting locations every year, instead of every two years. You think that's feasible? If we would get annual expacs, it's content would suffer greatly. Less new models, less new zones etc.

They got comfortable with and got used to 2y cycle. Asking for anything else is asking for a disaster.

Yeah the yearly expansion stuff is just trash. The 2 year cycle while its not perfect its a far cry to yearly.


And no worldshaper, they should not "bring it." Asking for less is stupid.

[huth]

I'm aware of dimensions. The Shadowlands transcends the literal concept of time. No gibberish here.

Also, Shadowlands can 100% happen. None of the characters experience time in any real sense.

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Do you think places like Zereth Mortis have time also then? Or?

You very clearly have no clue what it means. Dimensions in this context are the x, y, z axis and time. That's what "dimension" actually means. Shadowlands is not a dimension.

If the characters in the Shadowlands did not experience time in the real life sense, it would be a still image. And of course, that means that Zereth Mortis also has time. It does not "transcend the concept". You just don't understand it.

You're entitled to your opinions.

WoD was their attempt at a yearly expansion. It failed so badly that they haven't even talked about the idea since.

[Ersula]

Also, Shadowlands can 100% happen. None of the characters experience time in any real sense.

Do you think places like Zereth Mortis have time also then? Or?

Literally all the characters were experiencing time. The Developers made some comments about the rate of time being different (that didn't end up being relevant at all) but the time jump after shadowlands was completely unrelated to the Shadowlands itself.

Calia acting as counselor to Talia & Bolvar and also reclaiming Lordaeron with the help of the Necrolords.
Liadrin sending Salandria to meet her adoptive father & request help of the Primus in repelling new scourge from Silvermoon.
The Necrolords fighting the Legion while the 5 houses still existed.
Alexandros killing his son & turning his reanimated visage into his new sword in Maldraxxus after they both died.
Souls in the maw becoming less coherent depending on how long they've been there.

These are all examples of characters from, within, interacting with & extant from the Shadowlands, and every possible combination of which, experiencing linear time. The same linear time as our characters do.

[Well Done Steak]

I think another void expansion that lacks the Light entirely is not going to happen. Even if Void and Iridikron is on everyone's minds because of the last two patches, Blizzard is likely going to follow up on the Light stuff soon (unless they completely abandoned it).

I think 10.2 and 10.3 are actually really good times to pivot to the Light now that Tyr and Elune (or Elune stuff) will be moving into focus, and the Void guys dipped to another expansion.

This

11.0 is light vs void.

Any leak that doesn't involve that or Yrel is fake.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

WoD was not an attempt at a yearly expac, it just came across that way due to the devs ditching it early.

Uhhh yes it was, they always mentioned yearly expansions for awhile and it was around WoD they stopped mentioning it.

[Ersula]

The "rate of time" was countered by the Devs. And none of that is linear time.

All of that is linear time. The only examples of characters moving outside of linear time are the Bronze Dragons or characters they have extended their power to & they had nothing to do with Shadowlands & none of the Shadowlands characters do that. I originally thought the shadowlands worked the way you're (trying) to describe but Calia showing up halfway through with Taelia & then returning, or Liadrin experiencing the Undead invasion as result of the destruction of the veil for the same duration completely debunk that theory.

I think you're trying to say the shadowlands is like the Twisting Nether, where, when an alternate Draenor timeline was created the Demonkind within the Nether, stood outside that, immune to the changes to that timeline. But that's not "outside of linear time" its actually just two parallel timelines, experiencing the same linear time: They are still moving forward through time within their own dimensions but its still linear & its the same dimensions. Timelines /= dimensions.

We experience time, the forth dimension, as if were were a projectile moving through it. That's what linear time is. We can precieve it but we can't control how we move through it. If one projectile were the people on Azeroth. Another projectile is the Nether & another is the Shadowlands: Three different timelines. In wow you can jump from one to another using magic, but they're still restricted to the laws of time. They might be disconnected but all three are still experiencing the same linear time.

[Xilurm]

Of course it's feasible, the scope of each expansion would just be smaller.

Expansion A is released.
Expansion B enters full production.
Expansion C enters pre-production.

Visit Kul Tiras for some pirate shenanigans one year, then the next year take a visit to Draenor.

Right now, half the reason we keep speculating about future content is because Blizzard intentionally stalls the story to a snail's pace. "Ha ha, heroes. You might have beaten me this time, but you are not prepared for what's to come!" We effectively create our own story content because Blizzard won't.

Same deal with gameplay content. It's not like every new season revolutionises the experience, it's just a rehash of the one before. Then by the end you get the full experience all at once if you didn't play throughout all of it.

Short, snappy expansions will focus on a more impactful narrative with better pacing, and with newer landmasses presented to us quicker.

In what way is yearly expansions better pacing? FFXIV has an expansion every two years, AND 5 patches in between FULL of story. And the pacing is fine.

I don't want yearly expansions. I don't want to pay for a new expansion every year. I prefer to have 3 major patches in between to fill in the "gap".

What you're proposing is awful.

[Revamp Man]

So shadowlands does experience time
It is linear
It is a different plane than ours much like the nether

The link in SL and other universes with the dead people are just first one to die spawns
Next one adds memories
One after does the same

This is how the devs explained it so I'm confused as to why the flow of time is up for debate? From chronicles we're told that the Titans created time but that's disproven in the Argus book because Alleria experiences memories from before time.

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Back to speculation:

Will Vyranoth turn on fyrakk as a surprise or will fyrakk turn on Vyranoth as a part of Iridikron's plan??

Dude didn't seem concerned with revenge for raz unlike his fiery brother cold sister

[Revamp Man]

No. I'll explain it better when I get the chance.

But basically, though the Shadowlands does experience events and "sequences", it doesn't do so in a way that's bound to "time" or anything like that. Blizzard talked about this and basically said it's just the weaves of the Cosmos doing shit and whatnot.

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In the Devs' mind, time loses meaning the Cosmic Domains and should not exist Vs how we in the Mortal domain experience time and whatnot (As the Mortal realm is governed by laws of all Cosmic Powers, Order especially).

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Whether you want to argue it for in game tho is another ordeal entire

I'm not arguing
This is seemingly just a difference in flow of time and based on the books that's just it which is fine and I'm not sure what arguments are needing to be made in either direction.

[huth]

I get why people confuse it with time, especially VIA using real world arguments for time, but the point is that many of these "sequences" per say aren't really the result of time or anything like that.

The sequence itself is time. You can't get one without the other.

What you're trying to do is redefine the meaning of the word, not explain anything. But so far you've just been flailing around repeating "no you're all wrong" while not providing any explanation whatsoever as to why.