The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

The 10.1.7 splash screen says the following:

"Battle dream-empowered foes across the Dragon Isles as Amirdrassil prepares to bloom!"

I suppose we already knew, but it's interesting to have even more confirmation of where we're going next.

[Cheezits]

The 10.1.7 splash screen says the following:

"Battle dream-empowered foes across the Dragon Isles as Amirdrassil prepares to bloom!"

I suppose we already knew, but it's interesting to have even more confirmation of where we're going next.

Yeah, but it runs counter to the fact that the next zone is codenamed Dream.

If the zone is Amirdrassil, and that certainly looks to be the case considering the space/testing of a giant tree in the empty area, then why is it the Dream?

[Catastrophy349]

Amirdrassil is currently INSIDE of the Emerald Dream (remember the seed stuff?). Also, nothing OFFICIALLY has been said at all about 10.2 from Blizzard, so any datamining you may have seen is just speculation, so I wouldn't worry about something that isn't even confirmed/available, yet...

[Worldshaper]

Yeah, but it runs counter to the fact that the next zone is codenamed Dream.

If the zone is Amirdrassil, and that certainly looks to be the case considering the space/testing of a giant tree in the empty area, then why is it the Dream?

We don't really know what form any of it will take, right?

Could be a Dream zone inside the portal.
Could be one inside with stuff also leaking out.
Could be a tree so large it has become a zone.
Could be a smaller tree that sits within a zone.
Could be a tree entirely in the Dream or outside.
Could be a tree that exists in both domains at once.

[Hitei]

Yeah, but it runs counter to the fact that the next zone is codenamed Dream.

If the zone is Amirdrassil, and that certainly looks to be the case considering the space/testing of a giant tree in the empty area, then why is it the Dream?

Unlikely that Amirdassil will instantly get big enough to be a zone. Wasn't there a portal built into the leaked version of it?

It probably just has a gate to the dream like all the Great Trees.

[Cheezits]

Unlikely that Amirdassil will instantly get big enough to be a zone. Wasn't there a portal built into the leaked version of it?

It probably just has a gate to the dream like all the Great Trees.

Well there's a portal on top of it in the cutscene, so yeah, but also there are expectations that the tree will be a new tree for the Night Elves. So will it be finished after the expansion? Will it always be in the portal?

There's a lot of ways to go about it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Well there's a portal on top of it in the cutscene, so yeah, but also there are expectations that the tree will be a new tree for the Night Elves. So will it be finished after the expansion? Will it always be in the portal?

There's a lot of ways to go about it.

Be a bit of a win if we do touch the emerald dream, use one of the older Dream portals across Azeroth(the EK/Kalimdor ones).

[Chickat]

I just realised Metzen could be announcing Cataclysm again this November (Classic). Would be funny.

What would make it even funnier is if the next expansion for retail also has a revamp and/or a strong Void or Elements theme. Announcing two revamps of Azeroth in one night is one small feat! "Horde and Alliance, where you at? I'm proud to announce World of Warcraft: Even Cataclysmier!"

If he announces Cataclysm again, they need him to scream it, and one of the speakers needs to blow up.

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if blizzard is indeed showing up at the gamescom then microsoft has something to do with it. going there just to announce patch 10.2 is both unlikely and lame.

Idk. If the patch is on the scale of Argus, I see that as a pretty large game update.

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No, I simply have a working brain that tells me "good luck implementing WoW controls with all the buttons on gamepad", and "good luck running CPU heavy game like WoW on a modern consoles".

But hey, hopium is a powerful drug. I'm sure they will announce WoW 2 with world revamp on consoles very, very soon.

You are embarrassing yourself. FF14 is just as cpu heavy, and has more buttons than WoW does. Works fine on a controller.

[Eeram]

wait was the Developer video the classic hardcore one?

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...76018283454621

Remember the new Ironforge guards and dwarf tank? Well now we have more mole machines.

[Hitei]

I expect a LOT of Titan mentions and MAYBE an Elune appearance, assuming the Dream is her realm and we go that deep into it, which is likely.

That seems highly unlikely since Elune is some sort of universe spanning space deity (and Life is a universe-spanning force) and the dream has never been shown as anything but an Azeroth-specific plane with specifically Azeroth related beings in it. I also have to imagine that if the Dream were Elune's realm, she would have just casually one-shot Xavius for fucking around in her plane and nearly getting the entire thing consumed by Old God corruption, since neither he nor the Old Gods should be much of a threat to someone operating on Elune's powerlevel. Elune was able to seemingly effortlessly trigger a lunar eclipse on Azeroth and erase the Nightmare's corruption of a titan pillar, so it makes no sense that the Nightmare would be able to gain any sort of foothold and grow unchecked within her own realm. Thiernax borrowed a fraction of her power and was able to win an all out war against the Old God on his planet.

Elune is in whatever the Lifelands are; some celestial realm akin to the Shadowlands that likely has it's own people and civilizations and produces "souls" for the entirety of the universe and all the planets in it. The Dream is just the Emerald Dream, a small druidic plane connected to Azeroth that has to deal with Azeroth-specific threats, is curated by Azeroth-born creatures and needs help from Azeroth mortals to handle anything that happens.

[Skildar]

new dungeon Emerald Dreamway?
timewalking dungeon access restriction reduced to level 45... should we read something more in this?....

[Cheezits]

new dungeon Emerald Dreamway?
timewalking dungeon access restriction reduced to level 45... should we read something more in this?....

Looks like it may just be a scenario in the existing zone, but I'm unsure.

[Marlamin]

new dungeon Emerald Dreamway?
timewalking dungeon access restriction reduced to level 45... should we read something more in this?....

Nope, just older quest stuff finally having encryption removed.

[Chickat]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...76018283454621

Remember the new Ironforge guards and dwarf tank? Well now we have more mole machines.

I mean they have to be doing some kind of revamp or Older zone focused expansion. There are just too many random new models.

[Murlocos]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...76018283454621

Remember the new Ironforge guards and dwarf tank? Well now we have more mole machines.

Wild card option is that this is all somehow related to the Brewfest refresh.

[huth]

Unlikely that Amirdassil will instantly get big enough to be a zone. Wasn't there a portal built into the leaked version of it?

It probably just has a gate to the dream like all the Great Trees.

There's a glowy something at the top. Whether that is a portal, an empowered Tear of Elune or something else isn't really identifiable. Dream gates tend to be less flashy and far more green, though.

[Hitei]

We know the Dream and Ardenweald are linked, and we know the WQ and Elune are sisters, with the both of them embodying the cycle of death and life (One of renewal, and the other...idk, prolly rejuvenation or so?), and it is likely the Dream was taken by the Titans, and used for both Azeroth experimentation, as well as attunements to her world soul (likely so Elune could get a proper influence/foothold there).

I mean, she does have a Pillar of Creation dedicated to her, and it was stated by Aegwynn to be the "embodiment of the dream for what Azeroth could be".

A lot of stuff regarding Elune is based off lunar ordeals, the moon, eternal night, dreams, etc. The Emerald Dream being her realm in an absolute sense can definitely work.

You are sorta conflating stuff though.

Helheim is linked to the shadowlands. Icecrown is linked to the Shadowlands. Thros is linked to the Shadowlands. Lots of places have links to other planes. The Dream and Ardenweald are linked because Ardenweald is the death-realm to which nature spirits and minor deities like Loa and Wild Gods go, and the Emerald Dream is a nature magic plane. Not because they are a pair of two opposite realms. You can very objectively see that they aren't even close to the same thing. The Emerald Dream equivalent realm in death is Thros, not Ardenweald.

Ardenweald is a novel realm that has its own peoples and society that actively care for souls in order to rebirth them back into their own places. It's full of souls from all across the cosmos, because the realms of Death are universal.

The Emerald Dream is a pocket dimension of Azeroth that has no native inhabitants, populated by people from Azeroth who just look after the dream. The only things that have EVER been depicted in it are things from Azeroth that have entered or been sent into it from Azeroth. It exists just as a reflection of Azeroth (I know people really like to jump on this with "But the Titans!!!!" but you can physically SEE that it is just mirroring the planet in the Nightmare raid, where you literally go place to place, Thunderbluff, Un'goro, Grizzly Hills, Moon Glade, etc. It doesn't exist as an independent realm of Life, it's fundamentally based on a single planet. Regardless of how the Titans modified it, nothing about the Dream is anything BUT Azeroth.

Also, again, the Nightmare makes absolutely no sense if the Dream is Elune's realm.

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There's a glowy something at the top. Whether that is a portal, an empowered Tear of Elune or something else isn't really identifiable. Dream gates tend to be less flashy and far more green, though.

Eh?

[huth]

Eh?

Less flashy, more green and not on Amirdrassil. That one was more Ardenweald-coloured and the glowy thing itself was quite bright.

[Revamp Man]

Blizz is really yo-yo on their catch up mechanics
They want you to be able to boost alts but also limit the currency to do that and that was fine when it was BoA but then it changed to BoP

I don't get it but I do like the equalization of gear
Now world content players can get up to high heroic raid levels