The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Viridiel]

looking through newly added NPCs for the latest alpha patch, some interesting additions

Blood Elf Spellbreaker
Night Elf Archer
Night Elf Sentinel
Nightborne Arcanist
Nightborne Telemancer
Silver Covenant Ranger
Void Elf Riftwalker

and

Shandris Feathermoon <High General of the Kaldorei>
Vereesa Windrunner <Ranger-General of the Silver Covenant>

Seems the elven reunification will include all elves. Including Nightborne and Night Elves, not just thalassian elves

We already had a good idea since there were a few NPCs who had appeared at Amirdrassil. Do you know if there have been any changes there this build?

[Enrif]

some more poking through newly addeed stuff

Letter from Rhonin
"The last words of Archmage Rhonin."

Staff of Rhonin
"Staff of the great Archmage Rhonin Redhair."

Rhonin's Focus
"Focus of the great Archmage Rhonin Redhair."

This is likely related to Veressa stuff that might also include Arator and the Silver Covenant

[Darkarath]

The void didn't even destroy K'aresh. If anything it's a lesson in not using artifacts to blow up your own planet in a poorly conceived, pyrrhic gambit.

Disagree.

The desesperation that lead the Kareshi to destroy Dimensius and K'aresh was caused by the Void. If Xal'athat wasn't there guiding them they would just had been devoured along with their planet.

As pointed out before 11.2, K'aresh first only serves to subvert the Void. Xal'atath isn't a real threat when her entire goal is being Dimensius 2 and we literally just beat him.

That remains to be seen.

I still believe that Blizzard is showing us Xal'athat gathering the different Cosmic powers from very specific sources for a reason.

The void incursion on Quel'thalas and miniscule "storm" hovering about the Well feel extremely minor when we just left a place with a giant planet-sized black hole. And they literally just had to make a second pseudo K'aresh in the form of Voidstorm to have a Void zone from which the attack was being staged.

It remains a very poor decision that didn't really make any sese.

I fully agree with you here.

Midnight is not giving me any Legion vibes in relation to the epicness or desesperation of our situation. To be fair, I haven't seen much of the Alpha so I might be wrong.

That doesn't change that Xal'athat will turn the Sunwell into the Darkwell, albeit temporarily. So I guess that she wins again. That's how 12.0 will most likely end, so having a Troll patch after that wouldn't make much sense. At least Undermine made sense.

[Enrif]

We already had a good idea since there were a few NPCs who had appeared at Amirdrassil. Do you know if there have been any changes there this build?

only pooking through the data on wowhead, have no access to the alpha

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[DNT] Titanic Failsafe Scene
something Titan related was added. I wonder if we see another titan facility somewhere in midnight. Atal'utek could have something

Dawnwell Aftermath
i wonder... was the sunwell (then darkwell, now dawnwell)..perhaps build atop a titan facility? Like the Tomb of Sargeras, which was the temple of the moon was build atop a titan facility too?

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oh?
Moonwell Offering
Offer the bow to Elune.

there are two more things tied to it
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1...nwell-offering
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1...nwell-offering

Might be part of the story to restore the sunwell

and then also
Nightborne Ritual
Aid in the nightborne ritual.

also with three more mentions

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some portals, likely tied to different parts of the story

Portal to Bel'ameth
Portal to Loamm
Portal to Netherstorm
Portal to Sanctum of Light
Portal to Silverglade Refuge
Portal to Silvermoon
Portal to Suramar

Bel'ameth, Silverglade and Suramar are certainly tied to the elven story.
Loamm and Netherstorm are likely tied to some void stuff

[Lady Atia]

looking through newly added NPCs for the latest alpha patch, some interesting additions

Blood Elf Spellbreaker
Night Elf Archer
Night Elf Sentinel
Nightborne Arcanist
Nightborne Telemancer
Silver Covenant Ranger
Void Elf Riftwalker

and

Shandris Feathermoon <High General of the Kaldorei>
Vereesa Windrunner <Ranger-General of the Silver Covenant>

Seems the elven reunification will include all elves. Including Nightborne and Night Elves, not just thalassian elves

Good. Maybe they played through Suramar in Lemix and remembered that Night Elves SHOULD be part of that, lol.

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Also, kinda weird how they recoloured legion nightborne npc's instead of using .... the actual .... character .... models?

[Nymrohd]

only pooking through the data on wowhead, have no access to the alpha

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[DNT] Titanic Failsafe Scene
something Titan related was added. I wonder if we see another titan facility somewhere in midnight. Atal'utek could have something

Dawnwell Aftermath
i wonder... was the sunwell (then darkwell, now dawnwell)..perhaps build atop a titan facility? Like the Tomb of Sargeras, which was the temple of the moon was build atop a titan facility too?

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oh?
Moonwell Offering
Offer the bow to Elune.

there are two more things tied to it
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1...nwell-offering
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=1...nwell-offering

Might be part of the story to restore the sunwell

and then also
Nightborne Ritual
Aid in the nightborne ritual.

also with three more mentions

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some portals, likely tied to different parts of the story

Portal to Bel'ameth
Portal to Loamm
Portal to Netherstorm
Portal to Sanctum of Light
Portal to Silverglade Refuge
Portal to Silvermoon
Portal to Suramar

Bel'ameth, Silverglade and Suramar are certainly tied to the elven story.
Loamm and Netherstorm are likely tied to some void stuff

Could also be Arcantina stuff though

[Enrif]

Also, kinda weird how they recoloured legion nightborne npc's instead of using .... the actual .... character .... models?

i would guess it is a placeholder model for now.

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Could also be Arcantina stuff though

Which of that? Most do fit too much the narrative of the actual story, to be part of the Arcantinas random quests

[Lady Atia]

only pooking through the data on wowhead, have no access to the alpha

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[DNT] Titanic Failsafe Scene
something Titan related was added. I wonder if we see another titan facility somewhere in midnight. Atal'utek could have something

Ok ... here me out.

If there is a titan facility under the sunwell .... maybe one is under the Isle of Fangs aswell, and they are connected via a tram or something like Ulduar to Mimirons Boss room back than. So the raid starts as a troll raid .... and we than go under it into the titans parts similiar to ToS, than take a tram boss under the Sunwell?

I don't think it would happen, buuuut it would be cool hahahaah.

[Jaggler]

Dawnwell making us sleepy Enchanted Slumber

[Enrif]

also, we might get a ship connection between Bel'ameth and Silvermoon?

Sail to Bel'ameth
Sail to Silvermoon

other interesting things
Signal Vereesa,
Signal Vereesa and her airborne rangers.

a void paladin mount?
Starcursed Voidstrider
Leap atop your Charger for 3 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Usable while indoors or in combat.

and a .. kul tiras related paladin?
Waycrest Gryphon
Leap atop your Charger for 3 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Usable while indoors or in combat.


some random Saronite (this might Arcantina related?)
Throw Saronite


other stuff likely related to the elven reunification
Trigger for Liadrin Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Lor'themar Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Shandris Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Thalyssra Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Umbric Moment [DNT]

[allegrian]

That brings a bit of optimism.

I'm mostly just tired. I don't care for either the Alliance or the Horde, I see both factions as a major reason as to why so many individual playable races are either outright neglected or thrown wildly off-course. There is, however, also a major double standard where certain characters are never properly held accountable for anything...so hopefully Vereesa does have regrets and actively apologises for her actions.

I'm really not interested in the story trying to push the Blood Elves using Fel as a mistake. For starters, the Alliance is now host to Man'ari and Void Elves, not to mention at various points deployed Warlocks and Demon Hunters out of necessity.

The Blood Elves turned to Fel, out of necessity, which later was pushed aside when a different path came forth. Yet up until that point, it was something that provided a much needed breather given that a combination of the Scourge and the Alliance's treacherous sabotage contributed to Quel'Thalas and her remaining survivors being in such a dire position in the first place.

The events that the Silver Covenant are screeching about happened years later after the Alliance itself played a large part in further alienating the Blood Elves and escalating tensions. Varian was also attempting to engage in diplomacy to get the Blood Elves to rejoin the Alliance, something that Lor'themar was seriously taking into consideration until Jaina and Vereesa messed that up.

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I was hoping the Void Elves would turn the Voidstorm into their new home, honestly. They're not really a race that can safely live amongst regular people any longer, much like how the Illidari can't really roam civilised settlements.

I won't lie, I don't care much for the Amani and wish they would remain fodder. So far it seems that more focus is being placed upon their misbegotten ilk and a patch zone is set to continue their story. I hope the other content patches are heavy on the Elf content.

The dwarf/earthen expansion became a goblin and ethereal expansion, Midnightbis looking to be truly and Amani expansion, where haranir are also a bit like trolls.

[Jaggler]

also, we might get a ship connection between Bel'ameth and Silvermoon?

Sail to Bel'ameth
Sail to Silvermoon

We know Halduron and Thalyssra are in Bel'amth, so it's probably part of that questline, sending us there and back again.

[Lady Atia]

also, we might get a ship connection between Bel'ameth and Silvermoon?

Sail to Bel'ameth
Sail to Silvermoon

other interesting things
Signal Vereesa,
Signal Vereesa and her airborne rangers.

a void paladin mount?
Starcursed Voidstrider
Leap atop your Charger for 3 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Usable while indoors or in combat.

and a .. kul tiras related paladin?
Waycrest Gryphon
Leap atop your Charger for 3 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Usable while indoors or in combat.


some random Saronite (this might Arcantina related?)
Throw Saronite


other stuff likely related to the elven reunification
Trigger for Liadrin Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Lor'themar Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Shandris Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Thalyssra Moment [DNT]
Trigger for Umbric Moment [DNT]

Mhm, both the Starcursed Voidstrider and the Waycrest Gryphon are already obtainable mounts.

Interesting. Maybe placeholders, or they are experimenting with a broader option for chargers via barber shop, and decided to give access to some generic mounts first in order to release paladins for all in one go without having to do new paladin mounts for all at first?

[Enrif]

We know Halduron and Thalyssra are in Bel'amth, so it's probably part of that questline, sending us there and back again.

since both locations are, for player purposes, neutral, this connection might be a permanent addition to the game and not just a quest related. As a portal would make more sense than going by ship for a quest

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Mhm, both the Starcursed Voidstrider and the Waycrest Gryphon are already obtainable mounts.

Interesting. Maybe placeholders, or they are experimenting with a broader option for chargers via barber shop, and decided to give access to some generic mounts first in order to release paladins for all in one go without having to do new paladin mounts for all at first?

while the starcursed voidstrider is an existing mount, the Waycrest Gryphon isn't. We actually only go the Dusky Waycrest Gryphon. Probably only placerholders, but i like the idea of barbershop option for the paladin chargers, as they get the chargers from the class order hall and could use other racial appropriate mounts too.

[Lady Atia]

since both locations are, for player purposes, neutral, this connection might be a permanent addition to the game and not just a quest related. As a portal would make more sense than going by ship for a quest

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while the starcursed voidstrider is an existing mount, the Waycrest Gryphon isn't. We actually only go the Dusky Waycrest Gryphon. Probably only placerholders, but i like the idea of barbershop option for the paladin chargers, as they get the chargers from the class order hall and could use other racial appropriate mounts too.

Yeah, also the fel charger from remix should be an option aswell. I wondered if they had forgotten to add a glyph for it, but maybe because if they just rework the system they haven't bothered with that.

[Nymrohd]

Which of that? Most do fit too much the narrative of the actual story, to be part of the Arcantinas random quests

I meant the portals, sorry. Mostly because Loamm, Netherstorm are also there and Arcantina is an extradimensional nexus so it makes sense for it to have portals to a lot of places.

[Santandame]

Yes but I just don't see a full patch focused on Trolls in Midnight.

There are other options, though.

First, I would say that Midnight will be packed with content. I think that, even being a 2 patch expansion, it will have more content than Legion.

Second, I see a possibility for Ula'tek being 12.1 (although my bet still is 12.0.7). That possibility is that it will come with a revamp of other northern EK zones.

We still have that mysterious loading screen showing all the northern EK + Ula'tek.

Where are you getting all of this from? Nothing concrete just your wish list?

This is in regards to your belief that Midnight will have more content than Legion even with 2 patches. It’s just an outrageous claim to make when we don’t know what else Midnight will bring after launch content yet.

As well as your belief that Isle of Fangs is most certainly not 12.1 content.

[Nymrohd]

a void paladin mount?
Starcursed Voidstrider
Leap atop your Charger for 3 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Usable while indoors or in combat.

and a .. kul tiras related paladin?
Waycrest Gryphon
Leap atop your Charger for 3 sec, increasing movement speed by 100%. Usable while indoors or in combat.

They did show that Void Elf prot paladin again in the starting scenario so she might be around in general. At some point Blizzard might just give up and give us paladins for all races.

[Lady Atia]

I meant the portals, sorry. Mostly because Loamm, Netherstorm are also there and Arcantina is an extradimensional nexus so it makes sense for it to have portals to a lot of places.

Wait, is that the lore reason why we can go back to WoD Draenor for the "spit on Garrosh" quest?

If so, people who hated the "portals to Shadowlands" thing won't be happy haha.

[Darkarath]

Where are you getting all of this from? Nothing concrete just your wish list?

This is in regards to your belief that Midnight will have more content than Legion even with 2 patches. It’s just an outrageous claim to make when we don’t know what else Midnight will bring after launch content yet.

As well as your belief that Isle of Fangs is most certainly not 12.1 content.

I'm not claiming anything, just speculating.

Where do I get all this from? Regarding content, Midnight will be the first expansion, probably since...MoP? That doesn't have massive changes during its development (that we know of). For me DF was really close to Legion in content, and IMO it's very clear that DF had changes to fit the WSS.

Regarding Ula'tek, I don't think that a full Troll patch fits very well in Midnight, when the main themes are Void and Light. Also, the fact that we can see the zone right there from the start of the expansion is kind of unprecedented if it were to be the 12.1 patch zone. Guess that the closest thing is Tanaan Jungle in WoD, which if I recall correctly if was supossed to be a starting zone but we all know the disaster that WoD was.

As I said before, though, I think that there's the possibility of Ula'tek being 12.1 if it comes along with more revamped zones, as the mysterious loading screen doesn't fit anywhere but would fit perfectly with that situation.