The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[vindicator782]

the arcantina quest are full of holes o of writing, is so fuking weird, they are writing quest whit ia?

I hate being this reactionary

But the arcantina is SHOCKING - it is honestly better if they scrap the whole idea at this point

Whoever is writing these quests needs to be removed, like my fucking god - I would rather literally any poster on this forum be in charge of these quests

[milkmustache]

Speaking of devs, this tweet thread is very interesting and offers some insight:

https://xcancel.com/Boogily_Woogily/...017745256760#m

Basically, this dev has made Slyverian Dreamer/Ardenweald's Veilwings into a canonical "Dalaran Dragon" used by the High Elves to be their current flying mount. Why? Well in his words:



So sometimes, a game is just a game, and crazy things happen for game reasons. Including High Elves suddenly riding Veilwings.

https://xcancel.com/Boogily_Woogily/...643331895647#m

And he seems to genuinely not know that they come from Ardenweald.

This is a genuine issue, and I don't know how we got to this point. I understand that it can be a situation of a game being a game, but these little things pile up to create situations where there's no consistency. From what I'm gathering, a quest line they've designed in that area calls for the usage of a flying mount and this was the one they chose for the above reasons. It's insane considering there is a brand new high elf armored dragonhawk, and even more insane that we're using a beast that comes from Shadowlands (even though there was a single store mount that states it comes from Dalaran).

I don't mean to just pile up and shit on minor things like this, but there is a serious lack of adhering to pre-established lore in this Alpha that makes it incredibly frustrating.

[vindicator782]

even the twitter drones are unhappy about the quality of the story in midnight

It honestly feels like someone has gotten onto the writing team and secretly hates wow, that is honestly the only explaination I have - how can you be a professional writer and be this bad at it?

[Reive]

It honestly feels like someone has gotten onto the writing team and secretly hates wow, that is honestly the only explaination I have - how can you be a professional writer and be this bad at it?

most of them either don't give a shit or they're just pushing their agenda. midnight's story unironically combines the bad of the writing of shadowlands and dragonflight

[milkmustache]

I hate being this reactionary

But the arcantina is SHOCKING - it is honestly better if they scrap the whole idea at this point

Whoever is writing these quests needs to be removed, like my fucking god - I would rather literally any poster on this forum be in charge of these quests

I'm finding myself feeling the same way, and I hate it. It is just shocking that people whose job it is to write for the game are being this careless. The entire Arcantina reads like one-shot DND fan fics for whatever named character they chose at the time. I was excited for it originally, because the notion of an evergreen place for quests to avoid the Danath in Dornogal situation is great, but man, what the hell is going on over there?

[Kaykas90]

they make blood elfs and high elf hating echaothers whit guards messages and aliance getting killed if you enter in silvermoon horde only side and then they put a eitrigg in the sons of lothar? ????????

[vindicator782]

I'm finding myself feeling the same way, and I hate it. It is just shocking that people whose job it is to write for the game are being this careless. The entire Arcantina reads like one-shot DND fan fics for whatever named character they chose at the time. I was excited for it originally, because the notion of an evergreen place for quests to avoid the Danath in Dornogal situation is great, but man, what the hell is going on over there?

I'm just considering everything from the Arcantina non-canon at this point - if the writers don't give a fuck why should I

[milkmustache]

Even more, the dev who placed the Sylverian Dreamer there had asked on Twitter what a high elf racial mount would be, was received with an overwhelming amount of responses saying "Unicorn" or "Hippogryph", looked at them and decided they didn't work and picked the Sylverian Dreamer.

The confusing part is why it had to be asked at all? They have always had a Unicorn in their iconography, and they have always ridden dragonhawks. Revamped Quel'thalas is full of dragonhawks and unicorns.

But we pick Sylverian Dreamer. I do not understand the logic at all.

[Xeladriel]

Lmao an orc son of lothar

[Nymrohd]

Even more, the dev who placed the Sylverian Dreamer there had asked on Twitter what a high elf racial mount would be, was received with an overwhelming amount of responses saying "Unicorn" or "Hippogryph", looked at them and decided they didn't work and picked the Sylverian Dreamer.

The confusing part is why it had to be asked at all? They have always had a Unicorn in their iconography, and they have always ridden dragonhawks. Revamped Quel'thalas is full of dragonhawks and unicorns.

But we pick Sylverian Dreamer. I do not understand the logic at all.

It's pretty much Ground Mount: Unicorn, Flying Mount: Dragonhawk. And why he picked it, cause it looked cool and he didn't care much. The fact that people who don't have love for and knowledge of the setting are doing level design is just sad.

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Lmao an orc son of lothar

I guess the writer thought they are some kind of club you can join by invitation. So Danath asked Eitrigg to go golfing with them and join the cookout.

[GeometryWizard]

That doesn't at all answer my question. What actual things have they mentioned that indicate they are dissolving factions. All this is speculation and inferences, not facts. Most of this seems like people wanting a conclusion that just isnt there. I'm not debating whether or not they should or shouldn't, just that the assumption that they would isnt fact based.

How are new racial capital cities being neutral in-game not facts lol. Ever since SL they have been pushing cross-faction more and more in not just gameplay but with story and NPCs, that's not speculation, that's been happening. DF's boring archaeology faction was a merge of the Explorer's League and Reliquary. TWW originally had Alleria the main character of the expac say we can't be Alliance or Horde anymore until people on Twitter got mad about it and got the line changed, but the intent was still there. Neighborhoods have NPCs of the opposite faction walking around them. An inference would be me speculating that they are doing it because they don't want to bother making 2 capital cities anymore or that they want all players in the same place grouping up for raids and M+

The Silvermoon stuff has been the only pushback against total faction neutrality and even that contrasts with the Arcantina quests which are super World of Peacecraft vibes. Idk how you look at the direction of WoW the past 5 years and don't see how they've been pushing this direction

[Mecheon]

Even more, the dev who placed the Sylverian Dreamer there had asked on Twitter what a high elf racial mount would be, was received with an overwhelming amount of responses saying "Unicorn" or "Hippogryph", looked at them and decided they didn't work and picked the Sylverian Dreamer.

The confusing part is why it had to be asked at all? They have always had a Unicorn in their iconography, and they have always ridden dragonhawks. Revamped Quel'thalas is full of dragonhawks and unicorns.

But we pick Sylverian Dreamer. I do not understand the logic at all.

I mean, while I agree with the Dreamer being a bad choice, I think we know exactly why its not the unicorn

Unicorns aren't exactly, y'know. What you expect to see from flying mounts. They're ground mount expected, not flying. Flying should be hippogrpyh or blue dragonhawks, per their regular choices

[Enrif]

I mean, while I agree with the Dreamer being a bad choice, I think we know exactly why its not the unicorn

Unicorns aren't exactly, y'know. What you expect to see from flying mounts. They're ground mount expected, not flying. Flying should be hippogrpyh or blue dragonhawks, per their regular choices

i gave in the highelf thread some alternative:

They could always use just a Gryphon. The Hinterlands Wildhammer are not that far away, and there was some new Grpyhons created lateley. Just change the flightmaster to a helpful Wildhammer Dwarf

this one would be nice!
https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=1948

or as alternatives, some bird?
https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=1399
https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount.php?mountid=1668

[SilverLion]

How are new racial capital cities being neutral in-game not facts lol. Ever since SL they have been pushing cross-faction more and more in not just gameplay but with story and NPCs, that's not speculation, that's been happening. DF's boring archaeology faction was a merge of the Explorer's League and Reliquary. TWW originally had Alleria the main character of the expac say we can't be Alliance or Horde anymore until people on Twitter got mad about it and got the line changed, but the intent was still there. Neighborhoods have NPCs of the opposite faction walking around them. An inference would be me speculating that they are doing it because they don't want to bother making 2 capital cities anymore or that they want all players in the same place grouping up for raids and M+

The Silvermoon stuff has been the only pushback against total faction neutrality and even that contrasts with the Arcantina quests which are super World of Peacecraft vibes. Idk how you look at the direction of WoW the past 5 years and don't see how they've been pushing this direction

Because they don't really mean anything on their own? It's not indicative of anything other than "city is neutral." You're skipping steps and drawing conclusions based on what you don't want to see. Yeah the Alliance and Horde are at peace. Doesn't mean they're going to undertake the absolutely insane task of reworking every quest in the game to work for a unified faction. I'm asking for statements from Blizzard, technical specs of old quests being changed. What I'm not asking for is hypothesis.

[GeometryWizard]

Even more, the dev who placed the Sylverian Dreamer there had asked on Twitter what a high elf racial mount would be, was received with an overwhelming amount of responses saying "Unicorn" or "Hippogryph", looked at them and decided they didn't work and picked the Sylverian Dreamer.

The confusing part is why it had to be asked at all? They have always had a Unicorn in their iconography, and they have always ridden dragonhawks. Revamped Quel'thalas is full of dragonhawks and unicorns.

But we pick Sylverian Dreamer. I do not understand the logic at all.

This is the current issues with how they write summed up in a nutshell. They need to ask the community for an answer on something, then reject the answer the community gives them so they can pick something totally random instead. And of course it's from Shadowlands as well to rub it in

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Because they don't really mean anything on their own? It's not indicative of anything other than "city is neutral." You're skipping steps and drawing conclusions based on what you don't want to see. Yeah the Alliance and Horde are at peace. Doesn't mean they're going to undertake the absolutely insane task of reworking every quest in the game to work for a unified faction. I'm asking for statements from Blizzard, technical specs of old quests being changed. What I'm not asking for is hypothesis.

Actions speak louder than words and people are going to notice trends. If your only criteria for them doing it is them directly saying "we are doing it" and it specifically having to be adjusting old quests they don't want you to do anymore in favor of starting from DF onward, then no answer will satisfy you until then. If you don't think all new faction content actually being neutral isn't a trend, I don't know what else to say to you

[Khaza-R]

Because they don't really mean anything on their own? It's not indicative of anything other than "city is neutral." You're skipping steps and drawing conclusions based on what you don't want to see. Yeah the Alliance and Horde are at peace. Doesn't mean they're going to undertake the absolutely insane task of reworking every quest in the game to work for a unified faction. I'm asking for statements from Blizzard, technical specs of old quests being changed. What I'm not asking for is hypothesis.

I don't think anyone ever claimed they were merging the factions on a technical level? And the post you originally quoted, they were clearly talking from a narrative sense.

[Raetary]

But we pick Sylverian Dreamer. I do not understand the logic at all.

Because there isn't any logic.

The dev wanted a modern mount that vaguely fits the aesthetic, clearly doesn't care for their established mounts and then just picked this one because he liked it.
It's purely his (shitty) subjective taste and a complete disregard for the setting and the faction.

In other words, it's not logic, it's just sad.

[Ersula]

Lmao an orc son of lothar

Metzen's whole thing is showing the potential friendship between humans and orcs. He wrote Of Blood & Honor, the story where Tirion befriends Eitrigg - "An orc son of Lothar" is exactly what Tirion wanted & gave up his titles & faith specifically to show the Alliance this was possible.

"Who could have written this garbage?" It's metzen & its consistent with pre-wow lore. You're seeing the culmination of Tirion's legacy.

[Xilurm]

My only issue with the Arcantina is that they hyped it up as some big feature. And you had youtubers doing interviews saying stuff like "I'm pretty hyped for the Arcantina." like wtf are you talking about man? It's just a glorified tavern with a bunch of npc's giving out quests. What's there to be hyped about? Even worse now that it's just joke quests.

Don't hype us up for fucking jokes.

[vindicator782]

Lmao an orc son of lothar

Are we ready for magni to join the warsong clan