The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

You're mixing up Titans and First Ones there. Also, it isn't clear if the Titans created the Dream or merely modified a pre-existing plane.

I was making two different points. The Dream isn't the Lifelands in either respect: The Titans created the dream: Freya tells you that. Other planets don't have one. Though they could be lying, it seems like its literally an alternate timeline the Titans are keeping a tab open on. Yeah that "Titans aren't being objective" casts aspersions on everything we know but you can't just say "This is in direct contradiction to what they told us so its unclear"

[Cheezits]

So I thought I was going crazy, but it does look like the Wavewhisker mount description WAS changed. It once referenced the Ankoan, but now it doesn't.

https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount...avewhisker.php

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-won...-bundle-333923

"Once hunted nearly to extinction, wavewhiskers were carefully cultivated by the ankoan, who revere them to this day."

Interesting...

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So I thought I was going crazy, but it does look like the Wavewhisker mount description WAS changed. It once referenced the Ankoan, but now it doesn't.

https://www.warcraftmounts.com/mount...avewhisker.php

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-won...-bundle-333923

"Once hunted nearly to extinction, wavewhiskers were carefully cultivated by the ankoan, who revere them to this day."

Interesting...

Could be just an error. I don't want to think too much about it.

[username993720]

Why is that relevant? By that logic is the Emerald Dream related to the Everbloom because both are Life magic related?

The Emerald Dream is Titan related.

Come on... why would the titans have dominion over an obviously life realm. It is obviously old lore. That's like expecting the Shadowlands to have been created by the Titans. They can't have power over everything - Arcane, Life, Light (Tyr, Seekers).

No, they ordered the universe: Separating the 6 cosmic forces into easily identifiable domains

What? Where does it say that?

but they very directly, and recently (compared to the age of the universe) created the Emerald Dream: It's a backup template of the world before they started messing with it, like a save scum. Same thing where they created elemental pocket dimensions for the Elemental lords: Entirely so they'd leave the Titans alone in their work.

That is very likely old lore.

"Freya, one of the nine titan-forged Keepers, created the Emerald Dream during the Ordering of Azeroth to serve as the underlying blueprint for the planet. Some believe that she wove the Emerald Dream into being from nothing, others claim that this strange place had always existed in some form, a dream born from Azeroth's slumbering world-soul, which Freya tapped into and molded what would become known as the Dream as a way to commune with the nascent titan."

Not even a Titan. A Titan Keeper. Capable of that feat?
The second option seems more plausible.

Surely there is some sort of place the Pantheon of Life rules over, but what people are mistaken when they refer to the "lifelands" as a place where life originates. They already established all organisms originate from Zereth Mortis. And those organisms were used to seed life on all planets: This is established in those notes no one read in the Zereth Mortis zone. If all life comes from the Machine of Death creating life clearly isn't Elune's job; she seems more occupied with *protecting* life.

What? Zereth Mortis creates Afterlives.

[huth]

I was making two different points. The Dream isn't the Lifelands in either respect: The Titans created the dream: Freya tells you that. Other planets don't have one. Though they could be lying, it seems like its literally an alternate timeline the Titans are keeping a tab open on. Yeah that "Titans aren't being objective" casts aspersions on everything we know but you can't just say "This is in direct contradiction to what they told us so its unclear"

The domains was the First Ones, not the Titans. The latter are part of the domain of Order. We do not have definite confirmation on what exactly the Dream is.

[Cheezits]

If Chronicle, when Blizz was still figuring out what the Titans did and didn't do, says that there's a POSSIBILITY the Dream isn't exclusively titan-born, then you know it's not going to be post-Shadowlands.

Freya probably wrangled the Dream into being ordered, maybe with Elune's help, but I doubt she crapped out a whole copy of Azeroth on her own. Don't forget that Eonar was in refuge on a planet called ELUNaria. They probably are friends.

The second that a death goddess called Ysera Elune's pet instead of Eonar or Freya's, which many people suspected, the Dream stopped being just a Titan thing.

[Cheezits]

The "copy of Azeroth" stuff was likely done with the aid of G'hanir ngl, and I imagine Elune gave the Titans access to her realm, namely due to her seeming connections with them and whatnot.

Regarding G'hanir... I checked the wow wikipedia, and apparently it's grown back. Considering the zone probably isn't Amirdrassil, maybe G'hanir will be the zone instead? Or it will make an appearance? I think it checks out with how the Ohnaran Plains are so connected to a bird god (leading to Aviana).

I think "Gahanir" mobs appear in the Ulderoth invasions as well.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Regarding G'hanir... I checked the wow wikipedia, and apparently it's grown back. Considering the zone probably isn't Amirdrassil, maybe G'hanir will be the zone instead? Or it will make an appearance? I think it checks out with how the Ohnaran Plains are so connected to a bird god (leading to Aviana).

I think "Gahanir" mobs appear in the Ulderoth invasions as well.

Do we even want to see Elune or should she stay in the shadows. I'd be ok with not seeing her.

[Cheezits]

Do we even want to see Elune or should she stay in the shadows. I'd be ok with not seeing her.

I think it's inevitable now that she has a voice and family, both introduced in Shadowlands. If she doesn't appear physically she'll definitely talk again.

[Cheezits]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...heritage-armor

Interesting that the Night Elf quest is started at the Stormwind embassy, and not even by an NPC.

Maybe the refugees are moving out?

[micwini]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...heritage-armor

Interesting that the Night Elf quest is started at the Stormwind embassy, and not even by an NPC.

Maybe the refugees are moving out?

It's probably "Champion, X sent you a letter. You are urgently needed at Y.".

[Kiivar86]

Interesting that NEs get a new title, do we know what that is yet or has it been kept encrypted? Probably the latter, I imagine.

[Cheezits]

Interesting that NEs get a new title, do we know what that is yet or has it been kept encrypted? Probably the latter, I imagine.

Encrypted so far. I wish they gave everyone a heritage title, I think Orcs missed one and all the pre-DF heritage races.

[Kiivar86]

Encrypted so far. I wish they gave everyone a heritage title, I think Orcs missed one and all the pre-DF heritage races.

Yeah as someone who hadn't done one before humans (as my characters are almost all Draenei with a couple of allied races and my main's a human) I figured the main races got a title as part of it, so I'm surprised that actually isn't the case.

[Well Done Steak]

Wonder who else is part of the life pantheon...

My guess would be a sun god who's probably the leader.

A fertility and abundance god, since you can't have life sustainability without food.

And prob an elemental god since all four elements are essential to sustain and life.

[Santandame]

Wonder who else is part of the life pantheon...

My guess would be a sun god who's probably the leader.

A fertility and abundance god, since you can't have life sustainability without food.

And prob an elemental god since all four elements are essential to sustain and life.

An antagonistic Sun God King would be a lot of fun.

[Revamp Man]

Wonder who else is part of the life pantheon...

My guess would be a sun god who's probably the leader.

A fertility and abundance god, since you can't have life sustainability without food.

And prob an elemental god since all four elements are essential to sustain and life.

An'she the sun god definitely
Then whoever truly created the emerald dream
The master of elements is also another good choice

[Cheezits]

Sun God (An'she)
Moon God (Elune)
Growth/Abdundance god (most likely to be a problem: see Everbloom and other unchecked growths)
Elemental god(s?)

[Worldshaper]

OK, by now it's been increasingly ruled out that they announce anything significant this week. So here's a fun little timeline, just to visualise what's ahead of us for the remainder of 2023. I'm guesstimating a few of the dates, but it can't be too far off.

Next week is where it begins. I'm telling you, the coming months are STACKED.

Week 01 - 14/08 - 20/08 - 10.2 Announced!
Week 02 - 21/08 - 27/08 - PTR!
Week 03 - 28/08 - 03/09 - New Trading Post Rewards!
Week 04 - 04/09 - 10/09 - 10.1.7 Released!
Week 05 - 11/09 - 17/09 - BlizzCon Virtual Ticket Sale!
Week 06 - 18/09 - 24/09 - Brewfest!
Week 07 - 25/09 - 01/10 - New Trading Post Rewards!
Week 08 - 02/10 - 08/10 - Dragonriding Eastern Kingdoms Cup!
Week 09 - 09/10 - 15/10
Week 10 - 16/10 - 22/10 - Hallow's End!
Week 11 - 23/10 - 29/10
Week 12 - 30/10 - 05/11 - SEE BELOW!

10.2 Released!
New Trading Post Rewards!

BlizzCon:

• 11.0 Announced by Chris Metzen!
• WoW Classic: Cataclysm Announced!
• Hearthstone's New Expansion Announced!
• Warcraft Rumble Released!
• Potential Secret Projects or Xbox Collaborations Announced!
• Trading Post 2024 Teaser!
• 2024 Dragonflight Roadmap Announced!
• 10.2.5 Announced!

Week 13 - 06/11 - 12/11 - Race to World First!
Week 14 - 13/11 - 19/11 - LFR Opens!
Week 15 - 20/11 - 26/11 - World of Warcraft 19th Anniversary Celebration!
Week 16 - 27/11 - 03/12
Week 17 - 04/12 - 10/12
Week 18 - 11/12 - 17/12 - Feast of Winter Veil!
Week 19 - 18/12 - 24/12
Week 20 - 25/12 - 31/12 - New Year's Eve!

[micwini]

OK, by now it's been increasingly ruled out that they announce anything significant this week. So here's a fun little timeline, just to visualise what's ahead of us for the remainder of 2023. I'm guesstimating a few of the dates, but it can't be too far off.

Next week is where it begins. I'm telling you, the coming months are STACKED.

Week 01 - 14/08 - 20/08 - 10.2 Announced!
Week 02 - 21/08 - 27/08 - PTR!
Week 03 - 28/08 - 03/09 - New Trading Post Rewards!
Week 04 - 04/09 - 10/09 - 10.1.7 Released!
Week 05 - 11/09 - 17/09 - BlizzCon Virtual Ticket Sale!
Week 06 - 18/09 - 24/09 - Brewfest!
Week 07 - 25/09 - 01/10 - New Trading Post Rewards!
Week 08 - 02/10 - 08/10 - Dragonriding Eastern Kingdoms Cup!
Week 09 - 09/10 - 15/10
Week 10 - 16/10 - 22/10 - Hallow's End!
Week 11 - 23/10 - 29/10
Week 12 - 30/10 - 05/11 - SEE BELOW!

10.2 Released!
New Trading Post Rewards!

BlizzCon:

• 11.0 Announced by Chris Metzen!
• WoW Classic: Cataclysm Announced!
• Hearthstone's New Expansion Announced!
• Warcraft Rumble Released!
• Potential Secret Projects or Xbox Collaborations Announced!
• Trading Post 2024 Teaser!
• 2024 Dragonflight Roadmap Announced!
• 10.2.5 Announced!

Week 13 - 06/11 - 12/11 - Race to World First!
Week 14 - 13/11 - 19/11 - LFR Opens!
Week 15 - 20/11 - 26/11 - World of Warcraft 19th Anniversary Celebration!
Week 16 - 27/11 - 03/12
Week 17 - 04/12 - 10/12
Week 18 - 11/12 - 17/12 - Feast of Winter Veil!
Week 19 - 18/12 - 24/12
Week 20 - 25/12 - 31/12 - New Year's Eve!

They should have you announced the next expansion instead with all this hyping up