The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Considering how many people took the Arthas bait with SL, I think saying to air the Uther cinematic at Gamescom being "cringey" is hilarious.

I am 50/50 on Gamescom at this point. But, I am really doubting it at this point.

[Sondrelk]

Idk why people thought Arthas would have any big role in SL regardless...

Well partially because of the Uther animation. But partially because Sylvanas was a big deal.
The Uther animation practically screamed at you that Uther would have to atone by bringing Arthas back for proper judgment, and the logical endpoint for a storyline where Sylvanas was not satan by the end would have to touch on Arthas being equally manipulated by the Jailer, and probably to an even greater extent.

If anything Arthas just being relegated to a disenchanted wisp in the final raid was a massive letdown compared to the absolute tons of foreshadowing for Arthas being important.

[Imotbh]

I think that tomorrow or wednesday they will show 10.1.7' Fyrakk's cinematic, a trailer of 10.2, and maybe something else about Classic.

FWIW 10.1 cinematic was shown 2 weeks prior the patch release and same with 10.0.7 so I wouldn't expect one. That being said, it could be different because of Gamescom and if they are indeed presenting something there.

I can't help but find it really weird to have a CM and Ybarra teasing something at Gamescom for it to be only Classic related. Hopefully there must be more.

[Kiivar86]

Considering how many people took the Arthas bait with SL, I think saying to air the Uther cinematic at Gamescom being "cringey" is hilarious.

I am 50/50 on Gamescom at this point. But, I am really doubting it at this point.

All I know is, I saw a lot of people get really bored during the cinematic. Maybe I'm overly sensitive to things but I felt kinda embarrassed, even.

Given how y'all are taking what I said though, guess I'm alone in this, so nevermind me.

[Murlocos]

Idk why people thought Arthas would have any big role in SL regardless...

IIRC speculation about Arthas appearing again in some capacity started back up with 8.0 when he had a new cinematic model in one of the cutscenes in Jaina's story. Then for SL, even before the Bluether animation released there were all the mentions of discovering who made Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination, callbacks to the design of ICC and Scourge architecture, etc. I definitely remember some pre-emptive groaning over some sort of possible Arthas redemption or otherwise dragging his character down, though who really knows what all was planned with how many times BfA and SL alike were rewritten or otherwise went awry.

[Alanar]

She’s incredibly vain. I imagine she misses her beauty. I also think it makes more sense for her to appear in a less imposing, monstrous form if her aim is to forge new alliances.

On the subject of the Xal’atath debate… wasn’t the quest line Xal’atath appeared in completely optional? I imagine the more casual WoW players won’t look at the cinematic and think Xal’atath even though she’s definitely a contender.

She is yes, but I explained to hitei, we had one situation were she used her magic, very much a illusion against Farondis. If she is magically able to change her form to be used in certain conversions I mean thats kinda cool I guess, but I would still consider that an Illusion. Like others have said, she is a capeable spellcaster for stuff like that and you would expect such actions from her imo. She is smart.

I wonder how she will repressent herself in future content.

The quest was optional yes, you had to pick up the quest from the dagger on zanda, but I dont remember exactly how the quest became available. I had a priest who done all legion shit, so maybe it was available because I had the dagger.

[Raetary]

Yeah... i very much doubt Azshara considers her naga self as anything but hideous.

[Makabreska]

Yeah... i very much doubt Azshara considers her naga self as anything but gorgeous.

Pretty sure she still does. The way she behaved and the fact her nagas were still completely enamoured by her.

[Raetary]

Pretty sure she still does. The way she behaved and the fact her nagas were still completely enamoured by her.

Sorry, that's actually what i meant.
Sometimes i screw up phrases.

I meant as anything but hideous.

[Well Done Steak]

Any chance for anything today?

[Darkarath]

Any chance for anything today?

No chance IMO. If they announce something this week it would be at Gamescom.

[Well Done Steak]

No chance IMO. If they announce something this week it would be at Gamescom.

Right but isn't today the opening ceremony?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Right but isn't today the opening ceremony?

Yes, but. The Public Marketing campaign is tomorrow through Geoff Keighley's Gamescom Opening Night Live.

[Alanar]

Pretty sure she still does. The way she behaved and the fact her nagas were still completely enamoured by her.

Ye, she has no reason to think otherwise. They probably embraced their naga feautures by now and for their standards she is probably still beautifull I would imagine.

[Kiivar86]

Right but isn't today the opening ceremony?

Tomorrow afternoon (depending on your timezone, eastern for me).

7 pm BST (1 pm EST).

[Raetary]

Right but isn't today the opening ceremony?

It's tomorrow.
8pm CEST.

[Eeram]

Yes, but. The Public Marketing campaign is tomorrow through Geoff Keighley's Gamescom Opening Night Live.

When do they start announcing an showing games off? i never remember

[Woggmer]

Pretty sure she still does. The way she behaved and the fact her nagas were still completely enamoured by her.

One thing I recall is way back in Cata, during the Well of Eternity dungeon when you had to fight her royal guards while she watches and is capable of mind controlling you if you got too close to her.

It makes me wonder if maybe she might have mind control powers over the Naga, or because of her deal with N'zoth that she has full control over them after they've been changed from Highborne to Naga.

I might be wrong, and correct me on it, but the Naga feel like they forgotten they used to be Highborne with the only exception being Azshara. (That's just my angle on it)

[Hitei]

The highborne were mutated very drastically, including Azshara yes. This was a huge trade off. That she can magically fool some one (happened once) in the past. More like an illusion at best is known, outside that none. This doesnt seem like a visage like the dracthyr, Idk were you got this from, we would have probably seen more of that if that was the case.

It's not an illusion. She gets knocked off her feet multiple times by Farondis' fireballs, fireballs that, if she were still in her actual form behind an illusion, would have been striking the bottom of her tail. It's a magical apperance that alters her physical form, literally the same thing as a visage.

Its literally a mutation.

No, it's literally a magical transformation that happens instantly and carries on into children.

So are Satyr, Nightfallen, corrupted Arrakkoa and every single flesh-cursed titanforged, all of which we've seen go away with more magic. What are you not getting about transformations not precluding going back or transforming into something else in this setting? If you can shove fel magic into a devolved, cursed arrakoa and turn it back into a regular arrakoa, and shove arcane and nature magic into a Nightfallen to turn it back into a Nightborne, and shove astral magic into a Satyr and turn it back into a Night Elf, and shoot titan tech lasers at something changed by the curse of flesh to turn it back into a titanforged... why the hell would you assume that for some reason, out of all of the transformations in the setting, Naga are uniquely permanent and totally can't be turned into anything else?

There is a lot of assumption to your logic, thats what I found silly. Basically we know next to nothing, so its better to assume it was just an illusion/spell and nothing more.

The only assumption to my logic is that this magical transformation works exactly like all the other magical transformations in this setting, including the titanforged's transformation, which was also an old god corruption transformation that has lasted generations and can still be undone with a bit of magic-tech.

I will wait till she does something like that again in the future and spefically in what context. Because this has hardly any ground.

"She has literally already done it once, but I'll wait until she does it again before I accept that it's possible she could do it."
Okay, lol.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

When do they start announcing an showing games off? i never remember

Pre-show: 7:30 PM (CEST)
Main Show: 8 PM (CEST)

Google "7:30 PM CEST in my time zone"/"8 PM CEST in my time zone" for your own timezone.