The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Black Rider]

Something to do with Classic Hardcore perhaps?

It's 1.14 right?

[micwini]

What is 1.15?
https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/st...07310285091289

Possibly classic HC, but I think the birdman is better suited for giving a proper answer

[Annihilas]

Uhm, no? The Primus studied a ton of battles and gained a lot of tactical info due to studying the infinite timeways thanks to an "allies" aid.

And considering he has memories of the Titans, I'm fairly certain his "ally" was Aman'Thul.

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I promise you, it's in their book.

[Skildar]

You mean a cause and effect, such as causality? Ya know, something that's really only showcased VIA Order related things?

I don't understand if you're trying to change what I've said with something that has nothing to do with it or if it is supposed to be an counter-example that just doesn't work...

[huth]

And I know the term is time, but it's hard to apply absolute IRL laws of time with WoW, especially due to its nature as a fantasy verse and how it's handled time in the past.

No, it's not. Time is simply things happening in sequence. That's it. That's verifiably the case in WarCraft. You're thinking time travel, but that isn't time.

"Time in a 4D sense" is a meaningless statement, as time is the fourth dimension already.

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Oh, wow. Imagine if Iridikron's threat about luring the Titans to Azeroth is in fact intended to take place back in time. Like, him being the one to originally alert them of Azeroth. But instead of arriving with fanfare to defeat and imprison the Old Gods, the Harbinger awaits them with the Void Soul artifact -- ready to strike as soon as they arrive.

So the Bronze flight sends us there, we take out the Harbinger and events take place as normal? That seems kinda boring, to be honest.

[Annihilas]

I don't understand if you're trying to change what I've said with something that has nothing to do with it or if it is supposed to be an counter-example that just doesn't work...

Huh? People really thinkin' Time is inherently "on the side of" order? Neither space nor time are specifically aligned with any one cosmic force... they, ya know, pretty much just exist for the Warcraft Universe to function? Sure they could both be messed with, taken advantage of and twisted, but can anyone actually say, with a straight face and/or sanity, that only the Titans would these for their deeds? No way!

The Titans want to "Order" time, but it ain't theirs... does it even need to be?

[Skildar]

I'm just tryna understand how the Naaru have anything to do with this, cause the Light and Void stuff is seemingly just part of their natural cycle, and the argument you seem to be making is more-so based off cause and effect, which is namely expressed VIA Order and its stuff in WoW.

it's not, just read again what I've said as I've never brought cause and effect

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Huh? People really thinkin' Time is inherently "on the side of" order? Neither space nor time are specifically aligned with any one cosmic force... they, ya know, pretty much just exist for the Warcraft Universe to function? Sure they could both be messed with, taken advantage of and twisted, but can anyone actually say, with a straight face and/or sanity, that only the Titans would these for their deeds? No way!

That's on @Cosmicpreds

From my understanding time has always existed in Warcraft reality, the titans "ordered" it by choosing the flow of time that served their purpose. But I should probably read again the first Chronicles book to check if there isn't something proper said about it.

Physical time exist almost everywhere in Warcraft, even in the Emerald Dream (even if changes are only temporary and gets reverted back soon after) and the TwistingNnether

[huth]

That's on @Cosmicpreds

From my understanding time has always existed in Warcraft reality, the titans "ordered" it by choosing the flow of time that served their purpose. But I should probably read again the first Chronicles book to check if there isn't something proper said about it.

Well, it would make sense that it is a consequence of Order, but that doesn't mean it's specificially created by the Titans. It could well just be that time is for as long as Order exists.

[Worldshaper]

So the Bronze flight sends us there, we take out the Harbinger and events take place as normal? That seems kinda boring, to be honest.

Just musing.

But I do think it could be a cool patch and/or raid, honestly.

Dragon aspect story concludes with 10.2 and 10.2.5, let's say. Then 10.2.7 builds up the next thing, with Iridikron taking the spotlight again. All his siblings are gone (perhaps Vyranoth joined us after the Dream, which is effectively the same as her being dead in his eyes). He lives only for his goal of messing with the Titans with his new masters.

Working with their Infinite allies, they return to the moment in time when the Titans are soon about to arrive on Azeroth. He puts a big, bright sign up that says: "HERE BE WORLD-SOULS... BE A REAL SHAME IF THESE OLD GODS GOT TO IT FIRST."

Titans arrive, the World Soul artifact is used, blasts them.

Or perhaps it's not even meant to blast them. Maybe it's meant to resurrect "The Ancient One", whatever that means. So instead of a few Old Gods, there's a Void Lord or something waiting for the Titans as they arrive. Nom nom nom.

Presumably we win lest history should be erased, but the outcome might be that they get whatever it was that they needed from the past, leading to 11.0 which is a Void-centric expansion set on Azeroth.

Thrall could be important in the expansion proper as well. If they indeed did mess up the world-soul by going back in time, then we might need to go in there in the present time and fix it.

[Marlamin]

What is 1.15?
https://twitter.com/algalon_ghost/st...07310285091289

1.15 is a weird one, it started showing up back in April where I assumed it was hardcore. It might still be the release they go with for Classic Hardcore but usually PTR would have caught up on a major version bump so close to release, so maybe it's that other project the Classic team has been cooking up? I guess we'll find out next week when hardcore ships.

[Santandame]

Just musing.

But I do think it could be a cool patch and/or raid, honestly.

Dragon aspect story concludes with 10.2 and 10.2.5, let's say. Then 10.2.7 builds up the next thing, with Iridikron taking the spotlight again. All his siblings are gone (perhaps Vyranoth joined us after the Dream, which is effectively the same as her being dead in his eyes). He lives only for his goal of messing with the Titans with his new masters.

Working with their Infinite allies, they return to the moment in time when the Titans are soon about to arrive on Azeroth. He puts a big, bright sign up that says: "HERE BE WORLD-SOULS... BE A REAL SHAME IF THESE OLD GODS GOT TO IT FIRST."

Titans arrive, the World Soul artifact is used, blasts them.

Or perhaps it's not even meant to blast them. Maybe it's meant to resurrect "The Ancient One", whatever that means. So instead of a few Old Gods, there's a Void Lord or something waiting for the Titans as they arrive. Nom nom nom.

Presumably we win lest history should be erased, but the outcome might be that they get whatever it was that they needed from the past, leading to 11.0 which is a Void-centric expansion set on Azeroth.

Thrall could be important in the expansion proper as well. If they indeed did mess up the world-soul by going back in time, then we might need to go in there in the present time and fix it.

I have a feeling the Ancient One will be revealed to be Xal’ataths true form just to wrap up that little narrative thread.

[Black Rider]

1.15 is a weird one, it started showing up back in April where I assumed it was hardcore. It might still be the release they go with for Classic Hardcore but usually PTR would have caught up on a major version bump so close to release, so maybe it's that other project the Classic team has been cooking up? I guess we'll find out next week when hardcore ships.

Season of Mastery 2?

[huth]

You're thinking linear time, which the Shadowlands isn't bound by either.

Then Shadowlands wouldn't have happened. You still don't seem to have quite grasped what time actually is, rendering the rest of your claims meaningless.

And look up what dimensions are while you're at it. What you're saying there is gibberish.

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Presumably we win lest history should be erased, but the outcome might be that they get whatever it was that they needed from the past, leading to 11.0 which is a Void-centric expansion set on Azeroth.

There's only two options here. Either our win is guaranteed and unavoidable or them winning simply creates a new seperate timeline. Otherwise you'd get the Grandfather Paradox, and paradoxa cannot happen.

Either way, there cannot be an actual threat to us stemming from it.

[Revamp Man]

Ok bois time to see if any leaks about the 10.1.7 story is true and if 10.2 leaks are next week

[Marlamin]

Season of Mastery 2?

Maybe, I have no idea really. There was some talk of the devs working on an ambitious project which would explain them hiring that many people for classic, but that might be something else entirely.

[Catastrophy349]

Excited for next week!

[Cheezits]

Excited for next week!

Considering Gamescom starts on Wednesday, I wonder when the internal news will drop?

[Skildar]

Do you think places like Zereth Mortis have time also then? Or?

It most definitely does but like it was said to you before you don't understand what time means so don't throw another taunt, just take a minute to check what time means on wikipedia for instance and then we can come back to the conversation.

There is no sarcasm in what I'm telling you, I would be interested in continuing to talk about this especially because it can be tied to various domains that we could see explored in future game contents.

[micwini]

Ok bois time to see if any leaks about the 10.1.7 story is true and if 10.2 leaks are next week

What leaks?

[Revamp Man]

A few leaks here on forum plus a couple from discord