The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Marlamin]

It's not up to Blizzard, it's up to Netease, and Netease has no reason to add them to outside of China.

They are in WoW versions outside of China, just still encrypted.

[extasy]

Wait people actually think Netease makes wow assets?

They just publish the game in china...

[Lady Atia]

They are in WoW versions outside of China, just still encrypted.

Does that also go for the other chinese only items like the firehawk, or just for the two cats?

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Tested out Mistweaver now, and god the experience is so much better.

The spec is really fluid and fun.

I mean, the spec is really fluid and fun rn on retail aswell haha.

Haven't tried it out yet on the beta since I'm busy with uni stuff and can't really take my time to level there so I will have to wait for the max level chars I guess. How does dungeon and raid builds feel?

[Vakir]

Which is something that doesn't happen in newer characters. They are naive but also right at the same time

Christ, they even tried to make him right through it retroactively via the holy bone ache thing.

@AOL Instant Messenger

Definitely not an unpopular opinion. It helped to have someone like Wrathion to bounce off him in conflict. Anduin has like 8 father figures now and all of them are solemnly adoring of him rather than challenge in any remote way.

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Wait people actually think Netease makes wow assets?

They just publish the game in china...

We're not dealing with the best and brightest when it comes to Reive.

[Lady Atia]

Wait people actually think Netease makes wow assets?

They just publish the game in china...

Tbf, afaik the firehawk with the chinese feathers was done as a cooperation with a chinese museum or something?

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In other news, to no ones surprise, anniversery longboy is back:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/traders...w-store-379303

I really hope we get one of the haranir longboys next year though. Or a recolour or something. Bringing back old stuff is ok, but .... maybe also release new stuff? Really 0 reason to not release the two panthers here aswell f.e. :X

[Marlamin]

Does that also go for the other chinese only items like the firehawk, or just for the two cats?

As long as it's not in the China-specific builds (the titan stuff), all content is also present in other regions, albeit unavailable until they find a use for it.

[Makorus]

They are in WoW versions outside of China, just still encrypted.

Yeah, I know. It's been translated by Blizzard and all.

However, distribution is handled by Netease. It's not up to Blizzard if or when it gets released. It's the same deal with all the Overwatch 2 events Netease have made. Of course they could make it available to everyone, but it's not like Blizzard made it for everyone. It was specifically made by Netease for the Chinese market, same with all the events and realms.

[Marlamin]

Yeah, I know. It's been translated by Blizzard and all.

However, distribution is handled by Netease. It's not up to Blizzard if or when it gets released. It's the same deal with all the Overwatch 2 events Netease have made.

No, Blizzard made those assets and they already have been distributed, they are on your HDD right now.

Of course they could make it available to everyone, but it's not like Blizzard made it for everyone. It was specifically made by Netease for the Chinese market, same with all the events and realms.

Sure, but there is no real China-specific theming going on here. Anything actually China specific like the reskin of the hawk with Chinese cultural textile patterns, sure, that makes sense. The panthera mounts, not so much.

[Reive]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/traders...w-store-379303

they brought back the brutosaur. hopefully this time they get enough money to avoid using outsourced people for quest texts

[Raetary]

I mean, the spec is really fluid and fun rn on retail aswell haha.

Sure, but they made it even more fun.

No more awkwardly casting Chi Burst on cd, Jadefire Stomp is just a cleave upgrade for RSK allowing you more freedom with positioning.
Renewing Mist application and upkeep is now also a lot more consistent.

I especially love the new TFT talents, you just get so much out of it.

[Makorus]

No, Blizzard made those assets and they already have been distributed, they are on your HDD right now.



Sure, but there is no real China-specific theming going on here. Anything actually China specific like the reskin of the hawk with Chinese cultural textile patterns, sure, that makes sense. The panthera mounts, not so much.

Okay? Just like Landros Lootbox is, which is the China-exclusive blind box.

Even logistically, what incentive would Blizzard have to make an exclusive mount for China, seeing how Blizzard has nothing to with WoW (or any other Blizzard products for that matter) in China. At best, Netease commissioned the artists at Blizzard to make the mount, but that's about it. Blizzard can't interfere. If Netease wants to keep the mount on the chinese realm, so be it.

Netease is the one with the upper-hand in the dynamic, not Blizzard, that's why Blizzard so desperately wanted to get back into China.

[Vakir]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/traders...w-store-379303

they brought back the brutosaur. hopefully this time they get enough money to avoid using outsourced people for quest texts

Bold of you to assume the incompetence needs to come from outside the house.

[Avikur]

I'm guessing with M+ testing starting tomorrow we'll get a new build first? level 90 templates coming?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

If there's one thing we can learn from Midnight so far is that the incompetence definitely is internal not external.

[Zardas]

If there's one thing we can learn from Midnight so far is that the incompetence definitely is internal not external.

Could be both tbh

[Marlamin]

Okay? Just like Landros Lootbox is, which is the China-exclusive blind box.

Even logistically, what incentive would Blizzard have to make an exclusive mount for China, seeing how Blizzard has nothing to with WoW (or any other Blizzard products for that matter) in China. At best, Netease commissioned the artists at Blizzard to make the mount, but that's about it. Blizzard can't interfere. If Netease wants to keep the mount on the chinese realm, so be it.

Netease is the one with the upper-hand in the dynamic, not Blizzard, that's why Blizzard so desperately wanted to get back into China.

I'm not sure what you're basing all the information in that post on.

Blizzard is very integral to the work that is being done for WoW in China, I'm not sure how you can say they have "nothing to do with WoW" there as that is categorically false as stated by both WoW and Netease in the past, hell they had Ion and Clayton in a video to talk about the new version of Classic they're working on very recently.

They are collaborating on all development done that is specific to China. Netease (or more exact, Leihuo) is publishing (marketing, billing, support, localization, censoring) and maintaining the server infrastructure and anti-cheat platform there. It is not a case of giving Netease source/tool access and letting them do what they want (given anything they do would also affect mainline WoW), anything they're doing in terms of exclusive content has to be something Blizzard makes and ships, I'm sure Netease is giving a ton of design input and all that too, but it is still something that goes two ways. Even the new Classic version is being developed from Irvine and anything they do for that could very well make its way into the next version of 'our' Classic that we'll likely hear more about next year.

Netease is perfectly allowed to keep the mount on Chinese realms, but Blizzard is perfectly allowed to push it in other regions as well as e.g. a shop/trading post mount or some other type of reward. Netease won't stop them or not allow them to do it, they also have no incentive to do that as it doesn't affect them in the slightest.

[Jerhomie]

No, he's not...

He's a generic "weak" (Depends on your definition of weak ig) middle aged man (By Human standards ofc. Elf wise? Yeah he's prolly akin to a teen lol) with too many emotions stereotype.

I think what makes this hard is that they are inconsistent with age related things for the different life spans of races. Is a 40 year old elf still considered a teen? But we have actual teenage/young adult elves like Salandria and the Mage from the Night Elf heritage quest who by all means should be like elf toddlers but are written like the human analogue in age.

The other extreme is like how Malfurian and Illidan are about 1200 years older than Tyrande but were written like they were childhood friends who grew up together despite the gap. And all 3 were several thousand years old by the time of the War of the ancients but still treated like novices or prodigies.

I remember the novel where Theramore was destroyed had a line where they mentioned gnomes age slightly slower than humans, so a 20 year old gnome was still considered a teenager, which I suppose isn’t a big enough difference where it would come to play very often.

I’ve wondered how old Baine is supposed to be, even though he’s portrayed as the young and inexperienced type. Cairne died when he was a little over 100 years old, and was well established as being extremely old for a tauren. Even if Cairne was a fertile octogenarian that would make Baine close to 50 by now, likely older given a more reasonable age for Cairne to have had kids.

I suppose this is why they’re always vague about age and dates so they don’t have to worry about this that much.

[Skildar]

We really don't need more humans and more faction agnosticism of races.

How is it agnosticism of races when I've explicitly stated that said human model should have a distinct appearance from those we can already play?

[Vakir]

How is it agnosticism of races when I've explicitly stated that said human model should have a distinct appearance from those we can already play?

Because it's still against a core identity of the Forsaken as being explicitly undead and explicitly connected to a kingdom that otherwise fell.

Humans looking different on a purely aesthetic level doesn't change that they're humans and have had a fundamentally different experience than the people living there.

[Enrif]

I think what makes this hard is that they are inconsistent with age related things for the different life spans of races. Is a 40 year old elf still considered a teen? But we have actual teenage/young adult elves like Salandria and the Mage from the Night Elf heritage quest who by all means should be like elf toddlers but are written like the human analogue in age.

The other extreme is like how Malfurian and Illidan are about 1200 years older than Tyrande but were written like they were childhood friends who grew up together despite the gap. And all 3 were several thousand years old by the time of the War of the ancients but still treated like novices or prodigies.

I remember the novel where Theramore was destroyed had a line where they mentioned gnomes age slightly slower than humans, so a 20 year old gnome was still considered a teenager, which I suppose isn’t a big enough difference where it would come to play very often.

I’ve wondered how old Baine is supposed to be, even though he’s portrayed as the young and inexperienced type. Cairne died when he was a little over 100 years old, and was well established as being extremely old for a tauren. Even if Cairne was a fertile octogenarian that would make Baine close to 50 by now, likely older given a more reasonable age for Cairne to have had kids.

I suppose this is why they’re always vague about age and dates so they don’t have to worry about this that much.

Indeed, blizzard doesn’t care about actual age of characters, but depicted age. Like drek‘thar and etrigg are very old orcs since vanilla and still kicking around. Or Khadgar who was prematurely aged, but his currently depictions shows him at his real age. So, a young looking character acts young gen though they should be older.