The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

But it's not, as was talked about plenty of times before.

Also, why would time be a thing in Zereth Mortis?

Because it very clearly is? We quite clearly saw that things did happen sequentially according to Time. The Brokers who found Zereth Mortis were known beforehand, so it isnt like it was something that would happen in the future relative to our perception. And similarly the Enlightened Brokers had a clear society built around cause and effect as observed in the past.

Time might have been different compared to how it would be on Azeroth, but Zereth Mortis was still very clearly bound by the same linear flow of time.

[Sondrelk]

What do you mean "the brokers who found Zereth Mortis were known beforehand"? Also, the enlightened aren't at all about cause and effect. They are pushing a "prophecy" that's simply one of the many threads of fate the Universe is weaving.

The Brokers we meet before Zereth Mortis knows about the lost expeditions. And the Enlightened Brokers in Zereth Mortis specifically state prior research into the nature of Zereth Mortis as a reason why they are not willing to help us with that anymore.

Point A is followed by Point B, is followed by Point C. There isnt really a whole lot to unpack here. Unless you could point to something specific stating that they don't experience in a similar way then we have to go by what we see, which is that time flows linearly in Zereth Mortis, just as it does in the Shadowlands as a whole.

[micwini]

Enough of Zereth Mortis.
New leak just got posted:https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post54195820

Hearthstone globe it is referring to:

2 continents Northwest of Kalimdor.

TIME to discuss some actual new stuff

[Sondrelk]

Enough of Zereth Mortis.
New leak just got posted:https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post54195820

Hearthstone globe it is referring to:

2 continents Northwest of Kalimdor.

TIME to discuss some actual new stuff

Honestly I am struggling to see what is what there. You could have told me that it is a really funky map of EK, Kalimdor, Northrend, and Pandaria without the Maelstrom. Which for that matter it very well might be. Didnt Pandaria or whatever Southern Seas islands usually look like those two twin islands back in Wrath on the globes there?

Until we see a really high quality map that clearly shows new continents then I am more inclined to believe this is just one of those WotLK globes we saw in Ulduar.

[micwini]

Honestly I am struggling to see what is what there. You could have told me that it is a really funky map of EK, Kalimdor, Northrend, and Pandaria without the Maelstrom. Which for that matter it very well might be. Didnt Pandaria or whatever Southern Seas islands usually look like those two twin islands back in Wrath on the globes there?

Until we see a really high quality map that clearly shows new continents then I am more inclined to believe this is just one of those WotLK globes we saw in Ulduar.

So the way I see it: Far bottom right is kalimdor, then left of it you have Teldrassil and the 2 Draenei islands. And then those other 2 big landmasses are 2 new continents north west of kalimdor.

[Darkarath]

Enough of Zereth Mortis.
New leak just got posted:https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post54195820

Hearthstone globe it is referring to:

2 continents Northwest of Kalimdor.

TIME to discuss some actual new stuff

Bottom right corner is Kalimdor. Teldrassil is next to it and the Draenei Isles on the bottom center. I am guessing that the top right continent is Avaloren and the giant mass at the left side is "The Other Side of Azeroth".

Guess that the revamp dream is done. They would not put something like this in HS if they do not intend to build upon it. Curious to see what excuse they come up with for us not finding those two enormous continents in all these years.

[Sondrelk]

So the way I see it: Far bottom right is kalimdor, then left of it you have Teldrassil and the 2 Draenei islands. And then those other 2 big landmasses are 2 new continents north west of kalimdor.

The leftmost one maybe, but I struggle to see the top one as anything but Northrend. If it was two new continents then there wouldnt be enough space on the globe for any other continents.

[Seasz]

Maybe, I have no idea really. There was some talk of the devs working on an ambitious project which would explain them hiring that many people for classic, but that might be something else entirely.

Cata Classic+

[Sondrelk]

Bottom right corner is Kalimdor. Teldrassil is next to it and the Draenei Isles on the bottom center. I am guessing that the top right continent is Avaloren and the giant mass at the left side is "The Other Side of Azeroth".

Guess that the revamp dream is done. They would not put something like this in HS if they do not intend to build upon it. Curious to see what excuse they come up with for us not finding those two enormous continents in all these years.

I really don't see it. Where for instance, would Northrend and EK be on this map? The new continent would be crashing into EK for this globe to work in practice.

I stand by that this is simply a really poor copy of the old Wrath era globes.

[Darkarath]

The leftmost one maybe, but I struggle to see the top one as anything but Northrend. If it was two new continents then there wouldnt be enough space on the globe for any other continents.

Clearly not Northrend. The shape is completely different. They can make room for 20 continents if they want. The Other Side of Azeroth could contain everything that they want, they just have to scale the world a little bit.

[Gurahk]

One Legion across infinite multiverse means we would have never won against them. Every defender on Azeroth would need to cut down literal infinite demons to win. It is logistically impossible to win against the Legion in such scenario.

That was stated in the game, they are literally referred to as an infinite army. That's why Illidan opened the portal, so we could cut through the heart of their operations instead of waiting for another invasion.

[Sondrelk]

Clearly not Northrend. The shape is completely different. They can make room for 20 continents if they want. The Other Side of Azeroth could contain everything that they want, they just have to scale the world a little bit.

Regardless I don't see it. This would be an entirely new level of vague hint. Hearthstone hints have not really been indicative of anything that I can remember, and globes have always been stated to be made with the world map at that specific moment in mind. Why would they change that for a globe on a Hearthstone game board of all things?

I suppose it isnt long until we will find out though.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Guess that the revamp dream is done. They would not put something like this in HS if they do not intend to build upon it. Curious to see what excuse they come up with for us not finding those two enormous continents in all these years.

There two completely different teams so this really has no baring on rather they will do a revamp or not just like all the other hearthstone content over the years that has gone no where in wow.

[Foolicious]

Bottom right corner is Kalimdor. Teldrassil is next to it and the Draenei Isles on the bottom center. I am guessing that the top right continent is Avaloren and the giant mass at the left side is "The Other Side of Azeroth".

Guess that the revamp dream is done. They would not put something like this in HS if they do not intend to build upon it. Curious to see what excuse they come up with for us not finding those two enormous continents in all these years.

I personally don't see it. Draenai islands and Teldrassil would be at the south most corner of kalimdor which they aren't.
It looks much more like nordend, kalimdor and eastern kingdoms without the maelstrom. And some of the smaller islands, but hard to say which ones.

We had globes before and even a skybox of azeroth, but they never where accurate because blizzard clearly doesn't want to show that.

[Gurahk]

One singular Legion would still require stuff like Mannoroth setting aside time to go get killed by Grom. Or having to hold off on a campaign while Jaraxxus is busy getting summoned to Northrend.

Each timeline having its own Legion makes more sense seeing as there wouldnt be much reason for one timeline to interfere with another, each would presumably consider itself the correct one and the others beneath notice.

Each timeline having its own Legion would not make sense at all, because there are no different timelines for the different cosmic factions. Timelines are specifically for reality.

[Darkarath]

There two completely different teams so this really has no baring on rather they will do a revamp or not just like all the other hearthstone content over the years that has gone no where in wow.

There have been several elements from HS that have ended up in WoW. Tortollan, for instance. That the HS team is putting such a hint in the game for no reason at all, when in WoW Blizzard is hinting at at least two new continents... They are clearly teasing us IMO.

[Cheezits]

Enough of Zereth Mortis.
New leak just got posted:https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post54195820

Hearthstone globe it is referring to:

2 continents Northwest of Kalimdor.

TIME to discuss some actual new stuff

If true, the old world getting new assets is good enough for me. I think the plot sounds a little too simple, though I like the pirate "minifaction" idea.

[micwini]

Regardless I don't see it. This would be an entirely new level of vague hint. Hearthstone hints have not really been indicative of anything that I can remember, and globes have always been stated to be made with the world map at that specific moment in mind. Why would they change that for a globe on a Hearthstone game board of all things?

I suppose it isnt long until we will find out though.

EK would be on the part you can't see. Northrend has a distinct fjord which is missing and Borean tundra doesnt have a bay (or whatever its called) on the left side. I see what you mean from your perspective, but its just not it. Pandaria wasn't on those old globes in Ulduar either if you're guessing those 2 small islands are old version of Zandalar

There two completely different teams so this really has no baring on rather they will do a revamp or not just like all the other hearthstone content over the years that has gone no where in wow.

Tortollans and N'zoth's look were both first in Hearthstone before they were ever in WoW

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I personally don't see it. Draenai islands and Teldrassil would be at the south most corner of kalimdor which they aren't.
It looks much more like nordend, kalimdor and eastern kingdoms without the maelstrom. And some of the smaller islands, but hard to say which ones.

We had globes before and even a skybox of azeroth, but they never where accurate because blizzard clearly doesn't want to show that.

What do you mean? Teldrassil and Draenei isles are northwest of kalimdor on the map. The shapes just don't match for Kalimdor EK and Northrend.

[Revamp Man]

Pirates are aces

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World of warcraft: Tides of Chaos

[Well Done Steak]

That was stated in the game, they are literally referred to as an infinite army. That's why Illidan opened the portal, so we could cut through the heart of their operations instead of waiting for another invasion.

Infinite in the sense that's argus allowed them to continuously respawn...

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Each timeline having its own Legion would not make sense at all, because there are no different timelines for the different cosmic factions. Timelines are specifically for reality.

Nothing in-game supports this. There's no reason why each time line doesn't has their own cosmic realities.

There clearly are multiple titans