The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

I think another void expansion that lacks the Light entirely is not going to happen. Even if Void and Iridikron is on everyone's minds because of the last two patches, Blizzard is likely going to follow up on the Light stuff soon (unless they completely abandoned it).

I think 10.2 and 10.3 are actually really good times to pivot to the Light now that Tyr and Elune (or Elune stuff) will be moving into focus, and the Void guys dipped to another expansion.

This

11.0 is light vs void.

Any leak that doesn't involve that or Yrel is fake.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

WoD was not an attempt at a yearly expac, it just came across that way due to the devs ditching it early.

Uhhh yes it was, they always mentioned yearly expansions for awhile and it was around WoD they stopped mentioning it.

[Ersula]

The "rate of time" was countered by the Devs. And none of that is linear time.

All of that is linear time. The only examples of characters moving outside of linear time are the Bronze Dragons or characters they have extended their power to & they had nothing to do with Shadowlands & none of the Shadowlands characters do that. I originally thought the shadowlands worked the way you're (trying) to describe but Calia showing up halfway through with Taelia & then returning, or Liadrin experiencing the Undead invasion as result of the destruction of the veil for the same duration completely debunk that theory.

I think you're trying to say the shadowlands is like the Twisting Nether, where, when an alternate Draenor timeline was created the Demonkind within the Nether, stood outside that, immune to the changes to that timeline. But that's not "outside of linear time" its actually just two parallel timelines, experiencing the same linear time: They are still moving forward through time within their own dimensions but its still linear & its the same dimensions. Timelines /= dimensions.

We experience time, the forth dimension, as if were were a projectile moving through it. That's what linear time is. We can precieve it but we can't control how we move through it. If one projectile were the people on Azeroth. Another projectile is the Nether & another is the Shadowlands: Three different timelines. In wow you can jump from one to another using magic, but they're still restricted to the laws of time. They might be disconnected but all three are still experiencing the same linear time.

[Xilurm]

Of course it's feasible, the scope of each expansion would just be smaller.

Expansion A is released.
Expansion B enters full production.
Expansion C enters pre-production.

Visit Kul Tiras for some pirate shenanigans one year, then the next year take a visit to Draenor.

Right now, half the reason we keep speculating about future content is because Blizzard intentionally stalls the story to a snail's pace. "Ha ha, heroes. You might have beaten me this time, but you are not prepared for what's to come!" We effectively create our own story content because Blizzard won't.

Same deal with gameplay content. It's not like every new season revolutionises the experience, it's just a rehash of the one before. Then by the end you get the full experience all at once if you didn't play throughout all of it.

Short, snappy expansions will focus on a more impactful narrative with better pacing, and with newer landmasses presented to us quicker.

In what way is yearly expansions better pacing? FFXIV has an expansion every two years, AND 5 patches in between FULL of story. And the pacing is fine.

I don't want yearly expansions. I don't want to pay for a new expansion every year. I prefer to have 3 major patches in between to fill in the "gap".

What you're proposing is awful.

[Revamp Man]

So shadowlands does experience time
It is linear
It is a different plane than ours much like the nether

The link in SL and other universes with the dead people are just first one to die spawns
Next one adds memories
One after does the same

This is how the devs explained it so I'm confused as to why the flow of time is up for debate? From chronicles we're told that the Titans created time but that's disproven in the Argus book because Alleria experiences memories from before time.

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Back to speculation:

Will Vyranoth turn on fyrakk as a surprise or will fyrakk turn on Vyranoth as a part of Iridikron's plan??

Dude didn't seem concerned with revenge for raz unlike his fiery brother cold sister

[Revamp Man]

No. I'll explain it better when I get the chance.

But basically, though the Shadowlands does experience events and "sequences", it doesn't do so in a way that's bound to "time" or anything like that. Blizzard talked about this and basically said it's just the weaves of the Cosmos doing shit and whatnot.

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In the Devs' mind, time loses meaning the Cosmic Domains and should not exist Vs how we in the Mortal domain experience time and whatnot (As the Mortal realm is governed by laws of all Cosmic Powers, Order especially).

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Whether you want to argue it for in game tho is another ordeal entire

I'm not arguing
This is seemingly just a difference in flow of time and based on the books that's just it which is fine and I'm not sure what arguments are needing to be made in either direction.

[huth]

I get why people confuse it with time, especially VIA using real world arguments for time, but the point is that many of these "sequences" per say aren't really the result of time or anything like that.

The sequence itself is time. You can't get one without the other.

What you're trying to do is redefine the meaning of the word, not explain anything. But so far you've just been flailing around repeating "no you're all wrong" while not providing any explanation whatsoever as to why.

[ChairmanKaga]

I miss when this thread was about patch speculation.

[Paula Deen]

What version of a revamp do you guys prefer and find the most likely?


A - Full revamp of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms
B - Staggered full revamp of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms (one continent at a time)
C - Visual refresh of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms (HD textures etc, same landscape)
D - Slow but steady updates to old zones every now and then (like Arathi Highlands, Darkshore and Silithus)
E - Instead of revamping the old, they give us a "new Azeroth" on the other side of the world
F - We go back in time to a primordial Azeroth, into the future, or to an alternate timeline

C. and a reversion to Classic Questing as an option.

I miss when this thread was about patch speculation.

Yeah....I know this site is hungry for traffic, but the constant arguing about cosmic lore and the Legion's status is just tiresome.

[Revamp Man]

I miss when this thread was about patch speculation.

I tried man
I really did

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So we have
This
And

This

First one is from old old old guildie
Second one is from guild RP discord

[Revamp Man]

Answer my question above. What do you think is the likelihood for 10.2 being announced next week?

100%
I'm in a bet
If leak information is accurate I'm going to blizzcon in a kilt

[Worldshaper]

In what way is yearly expansions better pacing? FFXIV has an expansion every two years, AND 5 patches in between FULL of story. And the pacing is fine.

I don't want yearly expansions. I don't want to pay for a new expansion every year. I prefer to have 3 major patches in between to fill in the "gap".

What you're proposing is awful.

Because it condenses the story.

Right now, Blizzard is able to use the fact that they've got 24 months to tell a story from beginning to end, by spreading it very thin.

If they only had 12 months to work with, they'd have to either make each story update more impactful, or they'd have to give us more story updates.

They could no longer afford to use an entire season to tell a boring filler story like the one we got about the Dracthyr and the Black dragonflight in 10.0.7 and 10.1.

The entire second half of the expansion wouldn't just be silly season with catch up gearing anymore. Instead, it would end once the final raid is over.

It's not like the cost could remain the same if they did annual expansions.

Heck, we don't even know what their pricing model would turn into. Maybe battle passes instead. They're about to sell me a digital BlizzCon ticket in a few weeks, and that doesn't even cover the event anymore. It's just cosmetics to get you hyped.

I could see them offering some type of annual pass that unlocks a few goodies and lets you play the expansion, and maybe a premium pass that gives you even more exclusive perks, Trader's Tenders, boosts, a race change or server transfer, etc.

The expansions today range from $49.99 - $69.99, and the subscription is $14.99/month unless you do 3, 6, or 12 months at once. If you can get people to pay $2-3 more per month for access to the new expansion, you will have covered the loss of expansion sales. That's just assuming they'd remove expansion costs altogether. They might offer annual expansions at reduced prices instead.

Either way, you are wrong twice. First because this isn't awful, as long as they offer good content and make more money by doing it, and second because I'm not proposing it. I'm merely speculating, which is the point of this thread. I'm not even convinced this is something they will do, I'm only saying it is a possibility that change is coming.

WoW players tend to have this seeming inability to think outside the box sometimes. They always believe WoW will remain the same forever, despite mounting evidence of large-scale change taking place at Blizzard.

[Black Rider]

Enough of Zereth Mortis.
New leak just got posted:https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...0#post54195820

Hearthstone globe it is referring to:

2 continents Northwest of Kalimdor.

TIME to discuss some actual new stuff

Made me smile and reminded me this

[Xilurm]

It's not like the cost could remain the same if they did annual expansions.


WoW players tend to have this seeming inability to think outside the box sometimes. They always believe WoW will remain the same forever, despite mounting evidence of large-scale change taking place at Blizzard.

Yes, mounting evidence of large-scale greed. You are absolutely not going to get a reduced price for annual expansions. That's just naive.

[Dracullus]

I don't believe in full revamp, but I realized it would be really funny to announce Cata Classic and Cata 2.0 back-to-back.

C. and a reversion to Classic Questing as an option.

Yeah. It's perfectly fine from lore perspective - main story will be Exile's Reach -> Dragonflight -> 11.0, every other continent lorewise is time traveling with Chromie. They just need to put copy of old world in Caverns of Time and it's done.

And imo they shouldn't care if old world is up to current standards. No flying, shitty quests - all should be kept, option to visit old world any time would be the point.

[micwini]

Maybe, I have no idea really. There was some talk of the devs working on an ambitious project which would explain them hiring that many people for classic, but that might be something else entirely.

They just made a post that mentioned classic HC is "1.14.4". So not 1.15. It must be something else.

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10.2 at 31-10 / 07-11?

[Dracullus]

They just made a post that mentioned classic HC is "1.14.4". So not 1.15. It must be something else.

Most obvious answer would be new season, but it would be waaaay to early after HC.

10.2 at 31-10 / 07-11?

Patch week before Blizzcon is pure nonsense. Not only from devs perspective, people going to Blizzcon are definition of invested players who rather don't want skip first week of major WoW patch.

7.11 is at least possible, but imo if we see November patch, it will be 3 weeks later after Anniversary. Expac reveal is ALWAYS huge activity boost, so makes more sense to lure people with XP/rep boost and fast 10.1.7 gearing, in general everything post 10.0.2 is fresh content for "tourists". Then in 3 weeks release big patch and get second activity spike.

Only scenario where I see 4.5 seasons (0.5 as fated) and 10.3 is revealing patch this week and October release (then March for 10.3 and August for fated). Timewalking event can always be moved in calendar, it's only PTR.

[Hitei]

Most obvious answer would be new season, but it would be waaaay to early after HC.

HC doesn't appeal to everyone so it's not necessarily a time block for other things. It would make sense for them to provide a new season or other new sort of content for the segment of people who have an interest in classic but not in the HC experience.

[micwini]

Most obvious answer would be new season, but it would be waaaay to early after HC.



Patch week before Blizzcon is pure nonsense. Not only from devs perspective, people going to Blizzcon are definition of invested players who rather don't want skip first week of major WoW patch.

7.11 is at least possible, but imo if we see November patch, it will be 3 weeks later after Anniversary. Expac reveal is ALWAYS huge activity boost, so makes more sense to lure people with XP/rep boost and fast 10.1.7 gearing, in general everything post 10.0.2 is fresh content for "tourists". Then in 3 weeks release big patch and get second activity spike.

Only scenario where I see 4.5 seasons (0.5 as fated) and 10.3 is revealing patch this week and October release (then March for 10.3 and August for fated). Timewalking event can always be moved in calendar, it's only PTR.

I mean yes and no. Blizzcon for 99.99% of people would not have any impact. At most you have a large segment of people not playing on friday evening to watch the WoW panels, but that's it. It takes place over the weekend so it's also not impacting the workforce that much. On top of that, If it would release on 31-10, Season 3 and the new raid wouldn't open until the following week anyway.

[Hitei]

EK would be on the part you can't see. Northrend has a distinct fjord which is missing and Borean tundra doesnt have a bay (or whatever its called) on the left side. I see what you mean from your perspective, but its just not it. Pandaria wasn't on those old globes in Ulduar either if you're guessing those 2 small islands are old version of Zandalar.

It's a 1:1 remake of the old Ulduar globe. Left is EK, right is Northrend, bottom is Kalimdor.